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    • #14545
      enarees
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      Whether the discoverers of HIV have deluded themselves or it was ordered to them to conceal the tritium contamination?

      In nature, tritium almost does not exist. Tritium penetrates DNA, RNA, proteins and other like hydrogen. The likelihood one penetrated atom to “blast” in the course of 12 years is 50%. Depending on that where it has penetrated, the harms to a given organism can be very heavy. Unlike the heavy radioactive isotopes, it is not found easily, and it penetrates without a problem and even an atom/ molecule is enough.
      It is also possible tritium to activate cancer formations or microorganisms, which is seen in AIDS. Dead DNA and RNA fragments could be prepared (in order the tritium not to get diluted during the division) or viruses with tritium be prepared and they to cause infection with the symptoms of AIDS.
      Tritium is given off by radioactive materials, atom blasts, nuclear reactors and some other… It is fully possible in California “the gay-infection” with tritium to have started with prisoners who worked in Nevada desert or maybe people serving in the army.
      Tritium can retain for long in an organism exactly in blood plasma, mucus secret or lymph nodes – viscose liquids which do not convert fast.
      It is not uncanny that in Ukraine there is a big boom of “infection with HIV” and exactly during the average in Chernobyl, in the socialistic camp the story of the deadly “disease” was spread. “HIV” strategy prevents eventual conception of ill children. “The epidemic” in the RSA also has reasonable explanation.
      Tritium is not a stable isotope and it turns into helium. Since the bombarding in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, enough years have passed to say that tritium has diminished manifold. It is another question what genetic harms it has left.

      There is something much more upsetting. The nuclear blasts may revive the petrol and gas fields. Nuclear blasts can extract petrol and natural gas from embers and carbon minerals. Tritium is the problem. There are blasts at which it is not given off in big quantities. There are technologies which purify it or simply it is waited for it to get transformed, but…

    • #103594
      canalon
      Participant

      HIV and AIDS are linked.
      HIV is a virus that can be purified.

      Tritium is not linked to AIDS. No matter how much you want to ignore physics, chemistry and biology. And by reading your post you are willing to ignore a lot about all three. You do not make sense. Yes I know that English is not your primary language, it is painfully obvious and mostly irrelevant, but we would appreciate logic and reason in your texts.
      And why the suspense?

    • #103601
      enarees
      Participant
      quote canalon:

      HIV and AIDS are linked.
      HIV is a virus that can be purified.

      And if any inoffensive retrovirus contains tritium? We know that retroviruses have a key to penetration in DNA and its surroundings.

    • #103602
      JackBean
      Participant

      and where would it come from?

    • #103608
      enarees
      Participant
      quote JackBean:

      and where would it come from?

      For example, rodents inhabiting crater of a nuclear explosion.
      You can add the reactors operating for a long time with deuterium.

    • #103609
      JackBean
      Participant

      😆 how many craters after a nuclear explosion there are?

    • #103610
      enarees
      Participant
      quote JackBean:

      😆 how many craters after a nuclear explosion there are?

      Many.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mrqeWSuxPM

      Fathers of aliens. 😉

    • #103611
      canalon
      Participant
      quote enarees:

      quote canalon:

      HIV and AIDS are linked.
      HIV is a virus that can be purified.

      And if any inoffensive retrovirus contains tritium? We know that retroviruses have a key to penetration in DNA and its surroundings.

      So what? If tritium was *really* the key to AIDS, the HIV would not be necessary. H3 can replace hydrogen in every molecule, so it does not need key or anything to penetrate in your body. 🙄 And even less so radioactive mice 😕
      Yet AIDS is caused by HIV irrespectively of the presence of anything special (including tritium) ergo, there is no link between tritium and AIDS.
      There is a basal level of radioactivity on earth (will vary depending on where you live), I seriously doubt that the amount of tritium is a significant contributor, as compared to radon and others. As for the rest of your argument linking oil and nuclear explosion, it is not quite clear.

    • #103616
      enarees
      Participant
      quote canalon:

      So what? If tritium was *really* the key to AIDS, the HIV would not be necessary. H3 can replace hydrogen in every molecule, so it does not need key or anything to penetrate in your body. 🙄 And even less so radioactive mice 😕
      Yet AIDS is caused by HIV irrespectively of the presence of anything special (including tritium) ergo, there is no link between tritium and AIDS.
      There is a basal level of radioactivity on earth (will vary depending on where you live), I seriously doubt that the amount of tritium is a significant contributor, as compared to radon and others. As for the rest of your argument linking oil and nuclear explosion, it is not quite clear.

      Usually, water and hydrocarbons with tritium which we engulf do not go directly into our DNA cells. But apparently, there are high tritium bearers which do intensive and direct implanting of the dangerous "explosive" in DNA.

    • #103649
      canalon
      Participant

      Once again you are all wrong. Tritium is physiologically indistinguishable from deuterium or hydrogen. If it has been included in any organic molecule that can be used by a human, it will be processed the exact same way, and will end up in the exact same place than the non tritiated molecule.
      Not that there is usually quite a low amount of tritium naturally, and that makes it mostly irrelevant in terms of radiation emitted as compared to other natural sources. But of course if one is working in the lab with H3 Labelled molecules, care not to ingest it is necessary, the low energy of the alpha radiation means however that there is really very little need to handle with special protection. The only danger comes from ingestion and metabolization of the tritiated material.

    • #103651
      MillieKittan
      Participant

      Honestly, I have never heard of Tritium, but I am still young when it comes to knowledge in many areas of science. I cannot, however, decipher much of the first post and would much appreciate it if someone could give me a quick rundown on what the substance is?

      Also, I was under the impression that HIV was able to invade the genome because of the presence of Reverse Transcriptase, labelling it a retrovirus. I’m not sure how a connection has been made between this Tritium molecule and HIV but it seems rather irrelevant considering the behaviour of HIV itself has already been explained – a bit of a conspiracy story to me, at least.

    • #103653
      enarees
      Participant
      quote canalon:


      The only danger comes from ingestion and metabolization of the tritiated material.

      And "retrovirisation" of tritium as a result!
      Mainly!

    • #103656
      JackBean
      Participant

      Bože, Ty jsi fakt píča. To se ani nedá říct jinak 😈 🙄

    • #103662
      enarees
      Participant
      quote MillieKittan:

      Honestly, I have never heard of Tritium, but I am still young when it comes to knowledge in many areas of science. I cannot, however, decipher much of the first post and would much appreciate it if someone could give me a quick rundown on what the substance is?

      Also, I was under the impression that HIV was able to invade the genome because of the presence of Reverse Transcriptase, labelling it a retrovirus. I’m not sure how a connection has been made between this Tritium molecule and HIV but it seems rather irrelevant considering the behaviour of HIV itself has already been explained – a bit of a conspiracy story to me, at least.

      Here there have interesting study:
      http://www.osti.gov/bridge/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=10106137

      In the Nevada desert, there have been another "bees" who have gathered "pollen" which has been next utilized in the "hives".

    • #103680
      canalon
      Participant
      quote enarees:

      quote canalon:


      The only danger comes from ingestion and metabolization of the tritiated material.

      And "retrovirisation" of tritium as a result!
      Mainly!

      Which means absolutely nothing. Tritium is an isotope of an element. It has defined physical and chemical properties, but no magic powers. It behaves like Hydrogen, except that it emits a proton during decay, and although a sheet of paper is a good enough shield against this type of radiation, if it happens inside your cell it might (or likely not) damage DNA which might (or likely not) in turn cause a mutation which might (or likely not) cause some problems in the future. However unless the amount of tritium is large the chances of something bad happening are slim, and none involve any kind of virus (retro or not).

    • #103701
      enarees
      Participant
      quote canalon:

      Which means absolutely nothing. Tritium is an isotope of an element. It has defined physical and chemical properties, but no magic powers. It behaves like Hydrogen, except that it emits a proton during decay, and although a sheet of paper is a good enough shield against this type of radiation, if it happens inside your cell it might (or likely not) damage DNA which might (or likely not) in turn cause a mutation which might (or likely not) cause some problems in the future. However unless the amount of tritium is large the chances of something bad happening are slim, and none involve any kind of virus (retro or not).

      In the tritium we have a beta-decay!
      There is probability simply the biologists not to be acquainted with the necessary notions in physics and really not to have encountered such concept.
      Conspiracy of Infection – I do not believe it is global, if there is such.
      Scarcely, Gallo and Montagnier know, but they veil because of an order by the government and energetics, for instance.
      A colossus in the retrovirology like Duesberg even from the very beginning doubts the blaming of retroviruses for AIDS…

    • #103704
      canalon
      Participant

      You are right tritium is a weak beta emitter. It does not change anything about what I said.
      Montagnier has gone mad.
      Duesberg has no qualification in virology, although he is a molecular biologist.

      I guess you and him would have no problem injecting yourselves with a suspension of purified active HIV?

      I should probably not ask what energetics is….

    • #103710
      MillieKittan
      Participant

      From the research I have done on the web, since there is no mention of tritium in my text books, all I can work out is it’s a rather rare isotope of hydrogen that is more often than not made by UV light reacting with the atmosphere. This event in itself is incredibly rare, and the tritium emits a very low level of radiation – so low it isn’t worth worrying about unless you ingest a lot of the substance.

      Rereading the first post I cannot find any relevance in the part about fuel, and neither can I make sense of what is trying to be said. I have, however, come to the following conclusions:

      1. The likelihood of tritium being a cause of any kind of ills is very small, simply because it is low-danger in terms of radioactivity, little in number in the atmosphere and virtually non-existant in organic material (organisms ect.).

      2. HIV and AIDS are definitely linked, and I’m sure it’s due to the presence of enzymes within the virus that allows it to both penetrate the T4 cells of the body and then incorporate itself into the genome, making the cell inactive. This would lead to:
      – raises in disease and infections over time, due to lowering immune system
      – possible cancer/ tumours as you mentioned – in theory the immune system can spot and destroy cancer cells because of the changes in their cell surface proteins. Impaired immune system could therefore lead to growths.

      3. Consider that a mouse and a human are rather genetically and, up to a point because of similarities in organs ect, physiologically similar. They have no extra equipment to allow them to absorb radiation or anything, and such the idea of ‘radioactive mice’ becomes ridiculous. How would an animal so much smaller than us be able to survive the supposedly human hazardous levels in a crater to be able to pass them on?

    • #103712
      JackBean
      Participant

      Millie: I think you should read more enarees’ posts, then will you understand 😉

    • #103716
      canalon
      Participant

      Yes replying to enarees is something that I do just to keep my blood pressure high.
      He has a website too if you have a military grade tinfoil hat to lose. 5 min exposure maximum recommended per year, after that the hat melts and it causes quite severe tritium burns, that will evolve into AIDS and cause parthenogenesis (although you should be able to avoid that last bit, if as your handle suggest you are female).

      I must say that to see Montagnier used by the crazies hurt my national pride, but he richly deserves it as he has gone way beyond sanity. His last paper was a hooter. And the Chinese imported him, they can keep it for themselves. I guess a Nobel prize will look good on the University ranking and webpage. As long as you hide how he spends your money in utter lunacy.

    • #103723
      MillieKittan
      Participant

      At least I’m not the crazy one when I read those posts and think ‘this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever’, and I don’t just mean the way it is written. ;D

      And yes, I am a girl.

    • #103727
      enarees
      Participant
      quote canalon:

      You are right tritium is a weak beta emitter. It does not change anything about what I said.
      Montagnier has gone mad.
      Duesberg has no qualification in virology, although he is a molecular biologist.

      I guess you and him would have no problem injecting yourselves with a suspension of purified active HIV?

      I should probably not ask what energetics is….

      Perhaps Montagnier is trying to stick his scientific opinion adequately to the behavior of the “HIV modifications”.
      The positive results from the bone marrow transplantations support my standpoint.

      I don’t believe Duesberg maliciously or under another person’s influence to state this.

    • #103728
      enarees
      Participant
      quote canalon:

      Yes replying to enarees is something that I do just to keep my blood pressure high.

      I left you for a while and you made a golden calf. 😉

    • #103918
      enarees
      Participant

      The tritium from Fukushima can reach to any point of the world, but only at a small radius (a few kilometres) it can enter retroviruses. And the probability of their spreading in Japan is insignificant.

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