January 6, 2013 at 10:21 am #17170asmithParticipant
This thing has been making me busy. I won’t ramble and just cut to the chase.
I think it’s safe to say that every creature in the world has evolved/co-evolved to their current state because of the need to survive. A big part of that is related to killing and getting killed. I think we can say if our life wasn’t threatened in the first place, we wouldn’t have evolved at all.
So basically at the time we could mark ourselves as humans, killing/protecting is a part of our lives. Looking back at human history, I see many cultures/religions are forced by wars.
* Islam is basically spread through war. Muslims have killed/raped loads of people of other countries at the beginning years. Today Muslims of those countries are ignorant of that fact or really don’t care, thus mission accomplished.
* India or many African countries were exploited, today they are using their predator’s language/culture, mission accomplished.
On the other side, we have many social codes like "killing is bad" which we’re grown up with. I could understand that and I say that is the human rule trying to make a better world. But is that all there is to it? Killing a person looks extremely harsh and not "the answer". But looking at our past, it seems like a decent way of life. In other words, we could commit genocide and if we could succeed in keeping ourselves in place for some decades, we could stay there for good.
Please correct me if I’m wrong.
(I’m looking for a technical sense, no religious answers please.)
January 7, 2013 at 10:26 am #113341JackBeanParticipant
I’m not sure what you want to hear. That if we killed someone it will be fine because that’s our nature?
January 8, 2013 at 9:09 am #113347asmithParticipant
Well I’m just confused. Not that I want to kill people. Some day ago I saw a dead cat on the street and I was about to cry.
I just don’t get this. Our human culture, what it is today, seems to be based on genocides. It’s like "ok we attack and massacre other people but when we settled we’ll be good after". It seems it has worked fine.
I think somehow I’d like hear I’m being naive and not considering various points.
September 8, 2013 at 1:58 am #114332wildfunguyParticipantquote asmith:
Much of it is probably because we’re more concerned about the present than the past.
If someone isn’t killing people right now, I could hardly care less what their ancestors did.quote asmith:
You care about nonhuman animals too? We kill tons of those! Quite painfully in some instances! Of course, many of them were produced by us specifically because we wanted to kill them. But we also destroy ecosystems and poison all sorts of pests. I guess the rats have us to thank for their great numbers, but the inhabitants of the Amazon were just fine and dandy until we took over the world.
Oh, I forgot to ask. Do you care about all animals, or just cats? How about invertebrates? We’re probably killing loads and loads of invertebrate (and vertebrate) ocean creatures with our run-off! And I swatted 15 nay 20 flies just the other night. I even sprayed a few with bleach, but I regretted it after a bleached fly frantically bounced around in the flourescent lightbulb, then flew straight into the window. But what was I supposed to do? Somebody left a bowl of compost on the back padio, and it became a breeding ground for the little turds!
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