Biology Forum Genetics Human eugenics, are you for or against it?

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    • #6132
      Ultrashogun
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      What is your opinion on applying selective breeding to humans? How would you enforce it?

      Personally I believe it would be positive for mankind, we do it to basicly everthing biological around us(animals, plants) why not also to ourselves?

    • #57442
      Dr.Stein
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      I am against it. That’s Nazism, Hitler’s dream 😈 For me it is similar as genocide!

      *hits the table*

      8)

    • #57461
      Ultrashogun
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      quote Dr.Stein:

      I am against it. That’s Nazism, Hitler’s dream 😈 For me it is similar as genocide!

      *hits the table*

      8)

      Hitler also built the german highway, that doesnt mean that everybody who drives fast is a fascist.

    • #57462
      Ultrashogun
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      Anyway, did you know that the americans were actually the forerunners in the field of eugenics before the nazis came?

    • #57583
      G-Do
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      Against.

      Reasons:
      1) Diversity is valuable. What seems like a crappy allele now might be critical for survival a hundred years down the road, when we’re all sucking smog and living on grubs a thousand feet below the irradiated surface of the earth. It is difficult to predict in advance how the environment will change, so we should keep the genetic diversity we have. This rule applies to agriculture, too. Imagine that we artificially select for a certain rice crop, and that this selection process weeds a lot of variation out of the rice genome. What happens when a blight hits and there’s no innate resistance in the rice? A famine, that’s what.

      2) It’s impractical to get rid of recessive alleles, for three reasons: (a) removing the homozygous recessives from the breeding pool alone often takes hundreds of generations to produce an appreciable effect on the allele’s frequency in the population, and the government may not have a eugenics policy in hundreds of generations, let alone ten generations, (b) you can try to get rid of carriers, too, but carrier detection methods aren’t always perfect; they suffer from problems of sensitivity and specificity, and (c) you won’t be able to convince people to give up the right to have children – especially in certain western societies, where that right is all but sacred – especially if carrier detection methods suffer from high false positive rates (this would mean that a person gets marked as a carrier and is forbidden from having children when s/he doesn’t even have the disease).

      3) The most important reason: it is unethical for a body of people to regulate whether a single person can or cannot bear a child. The real rub, here, is in your initial statement: "Personally I believe it would be positive for mankind, we do it to basicly everthing biological around us(animals, plants) why not also to ourselves?" If you replace "ourselves" with "each other" you’ll see what I mean.

    • #57626
      Dr.Stein
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      quote Ultrashogun:

      Hitler also built the german highway, that doesnt mean that everybody who drives fast is a fascist.

      Yeah I know the "Deutschland ΓΌber alles" thing. It is great, no doubt, they can conquer the world with their thought and technology but they cannot make "superhuman", because that’s too far IMO πŸ˜•

    • #57643
      mith
      Participant

      We could use a lot less stupid people but it would be hard to do because idiots are very hardy people lol

    • #57647
      Dr.Stein
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      quote mith:

      We could use a lot less stupid people but it would be hard to do because idiots are very hardy people lol

      πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    • #57652
      sachin
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      NOT Totaly against It.

      Because This Have Some Great Advantages Too.

      Just we have to limit the Uses of It.

      It looks difficult but not Impossible.

    • #57660
      Dr.Stein
      Participant

      I like the idea, it is a genius thought but I don’t expect anything for the practical πŸ˜‰

    • #57754
      MrMistery
      Participant

      I’m with mith… i look around me each day and am astonished by the immense, ever increasing number of idiots…

    • #57765
      rvidal
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      quote G-Do:

      Against.

      Reasons:
      1) Diversity is valuable. What seems like a crappy allele now might be critical for survival a hundred years down the road, when we’re all sucking smog and living on grubs a thousand feet below the irradiated surface of the earth. It is difficult to predict in advance how the environment will change, so we should keep the genetic diversity we have. This rule applies to agriculture, too. Imagine that we artificially select for a certain rice crop, and that this selection process weeds a lot of variation out of the rice genome. What happens when a blight hits and there’s no innate resistance in the rice? A famine, that’s what.

      2) It’s impractical to get rid of recessive alleles, for three reasons: (a) removing the homozygous recessives from the breeding pool alone often takes hundreds of generations to produce an appreciable effect on the allele’s frequency in the population, and the government may not have a eugenics policy in hundreds of generations, let alone ten generations, (b) you can try to get rid of carriers, too, but carrier detection methods aren’t always perfect; they suffer from problems of sensitivity and specificity, and (c) you won’t be able to convince people to give up the right to have children – especially in certain western societies, where that right is all but sacred – especially if carrier detection methods suffer from high false positive rates (this would mean that a person gets marked as a carrier and is forbidden from having children when s/he doesn’t even have the disease).

      3) The most important reason: it is unethical for a body of people to regulate whether a single person can or cannot bear a child. The real rub, here, is in your initial statement: “Personally I believe it would be positive for mankind, we do it to basicly everthing biological around us(animals, plants) why not also to ourselves?” If you replace “ourselves” with “each other” you’ll see what I mean.

      Great answer. I agree.

    • #57888
      wbla3335
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      I’m for it.

      Racists, fascists, selfish and aggressive people, those who think they are better than others, should have more than others. If we could only prevent these people from breeding, the world would be a better place.

    • #57912
      mith
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      you’re assuming it’s genetic?

      Maybe we need more of a cultural eugenic, to point out that we shouldn’t be admiring the wrong types of people *paris hilton and other idiots* ahem.

    • #57915
      druid
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      quote Ultrashogun:

      What is your opinion on applying selective breeding to humans? How would you enforce it?

      Personally I believe it would be positive for mankind, we do it to basicly everthing biological around us(animals, plants) why not also to ourselves?

      The question is "Who is the breeder?"
      If the breeder is me I agree.
      If the breeder is you I don’t.

    • #57939
      Dr.Stein
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      quote wbla3335:

      I’m for it.

      Racists, fascists, selfish and aggressive people, those who think they are better than others, should have more than others. If we could only prevent these people from breeding, the world would be a better place.

      Yeah, I don’t think they are genetics. It could be external environment to make them learn and to choose to be that way. A proper education could be applied for them as long as the method is good and could open their narrow mind πŸ˜‰

    • #57941
      Dr.Stein
      Participant
      quote druid:

      The question is “Who is the breeder?”
      If the breeder is me I agree.
      If the breeder is you I don’t.

      πŸ˜† πŸ˜† πŸ˜†

    • #57957
      wbla3335
      Participant

      A Jethro Tull song comes to mind.

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