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      sushil_yadav
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      The link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues.

      The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

      Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

      Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
      Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
      Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
      Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.

      Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

      If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

      Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.

      When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

      There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

      People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

      Emotion ends.

      Man becomes machine.

      A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

      A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

      A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.

      Fast visuals/ words make slow emotions extinct.

      Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys emotional circuits.

      A fast (large) society cannot feel pain / remorse / empathy.

      A fast (large) society will always be cruel to Animals/ Trees/ Air/ Water/ Land and to Itself.

      I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.

      There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
      imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.

      Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
      associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).

      The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
      freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
      particular emotion.

      Experiment:

      Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
      will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
      following:-

      (1) Human suffering.
      (2) Animal suffering.
      (3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.

      Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.

      The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body(blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.

      The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
      (1) 125% of actual speed.
      (2) Actual/real speed.
      (3) 75% of actual speed.
      (4) 50% of actual speed.
      (5) 25% of actual speed.

      Results :

      (1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
      (2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
      of actual speed)
      (3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
      body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.
      (4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
      (5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
      breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
      for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

      The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast). All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

      [If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc… ]

      In the 2nd stage of experiment we shall replace the silent video film with a Narrator ( Audio only ) and repeat the procedure thereby establishing the link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed. The narrator will slow down verbal speed by– speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of
      pause/ silence between words.

      Please note:
      (1) A thinking mind cannot intensify / sustain any emotion.
      While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is particularly true for all painful emotions.

      (2) Pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced in a society in which visual (verbal) speed and breathing- rates are fast . It is impossible.

      PROOF.
      Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words :-

      In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
      themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
      visuals ( scenes ) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
      many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
      of pain the films almost become static / stationary.

      Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
      and slowness.

      Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
      down( stops/ freezes).

      Change in visual speed over the years.

      One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
      moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
      and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.

      Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
      changing visuals / audio.

      He sits in a vehicle ( car / train / bus ) and as it moves he watches
      the rapidly changing visuals.

      He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many
      visuals / text in a short span.

      Change in verbal speed over the years.

      In ancient times verbal processing was “live” in nature—ie it happened when people actually spoke.
      Today there is non-stop verbal processing inside the mind through print and electronic media ( newspapers, books, magazines, radio, television, computer etc…) as a result of which the verbal content & speed has increased thousands of times.

      The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
      one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
      focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

      If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions associated with slow visuals /words.

      Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Man’s thinking was primarily
      limited to :

      (a) visual processing ( slow visuals )
      (b) verbal / language processing ( slow words )

      Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :

      (1) visual processing ( fast visuals )
      (2) verbal / language processing ( fast words )
      (3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
      (4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
      (5) Business thinking ( fast )

      (3), (4) & (5) are associated with Numbers / Symbols / Equations /
      Graphs /Circuits / Diagrams / Money / Accounting etc…

      As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any
      emotion – not an iota of emotion.

      In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
      In a thinking ( scientific / industrial ) society emotion itself becomes extinct.

      Emotion is what remains in the mind when visual/ verbal processing slows down (stops/ freezes)

      There are certain categories of people who feel more emotion (subjective experience ) than others.

      If we attempt to understand why (and how ) they feel more emotion we can learn a lot about emotion.

      Writers, poets, actors, painters ( and other artists )

      Writers
      Writers do verbal ( and associated visual) processing whole day- every day.
      They do slow verbal ( and associated visual) processing every day.
      (A novel that we read in 2 hours might have taken 2 years to write. This is also the reason why the reader can never feel the intensity & duration of emotion experienced by the writer )

      Poets
      Poets do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. There is more emotion in poetry than in prose. This happens because there are very few words ( and associated visuals ) in poetry than in any other kind of writing. There is a very high degree of freezing / slowing down of visuals & words in poetry.

      Actors
      Actors do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. During shooting / rehearsal they repeat the dialogues ( words ) again and again ( the associated visuals / scenes also get repeated along with the dialogues )

      Painters
      Painters do visual ( and associated verbal ) processing whole day- every day. They do extremely slow visual processing – The visual on the canvas changes only when the painter adds to what already exists on the canvas.

      There are some important points to be noted :

      All these people do visual & verbal processing – whole day – every day.
      They do slow visual & verbal processing.
      They do not do scientific / industrial / business processing whole day – every day.

      Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing which is associated with Numbers / Symbols/ Equations / Graphs / Circuits / Diagrams / Money / Accounting etc… or they do fast visual ( verbal ) processing whole day – every day.

      This kind of thinking ( processing ) has come into existence only during the last 200 years and has destroyed our emotional ability ( circuits ).

      Once we speed up our minds we become incapable of slowing down [it would take years of effort to slow down]. One can understand it this way – A supercomputer cannot process at the rate of an ordinary computer. Once we speed up [and we have been speeding up for several generations now] we cannot slow down because the neural circuits get altered – the bio-chemistry of the brain and its anatomy changes.

      Self-Assessment of ( subjective ) intensity of emotion is almost always wrong.

      Suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of a particular emotion that
      can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.

      Let us suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of that particular emotion ever
      experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
      A – 100units
      B – 20 units

      Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
      to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
      outside the laboratory ) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is :

      A – 90 units
      B – 18 units

      If A & B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
      of 0 -10 their response is likely to be ;

      A – 9
      B – 9

      Who is right and who is wrong ?
      A is right.
      B is wrong – B is wrong by a wide margin – B has experienced an
      intensity(and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct / actual score should be 1.8

      Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
      the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration ( units ) of the
      particular emotion under study.

      In small(slow)agriculture-based societies the mind used to experience a state of emotion all the time because of physical work and slow visual/verbal processing . People who do physical work experience the same good subjective-feeling which is experienced by people who do physical excercise. [People who do physical work also sleep much better than people who do mental work – the quality of sleep is much better]. If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom" – the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between different visuals and between words/ sentences – and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps – it was normal for them.

      Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing slows down ( stops / freezes ). In an Industrial (thinking) society people experience very little emotion because of fast ( visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business ) thinking.

      Suppose the maximum intensity and duration of a particular emotion ( for most people ) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people used to experience in earlier /slower societies ).

      If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
      rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
      be 0.4

      [Please note :
      Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
      Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
      Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
      Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.]

      Thoughts and Emotions are interlinked – but different things – totally/ completly different.

      Words can be spoken – words can be read – words can be heard.

      Emotion is a subjective-experience. Other examples of subjective experience are taste, smell, touch, headache, stomach pain.

      One can understand the difference this way :

      When we eat an apple we can feel the taste of apple. Apple can give us the taste of apple – but apple is not taste.

      If we pour apple juice into a glass – the glass will not feel the taste – it does not have the ability to feel taste.

      If a person eats an apple he will feel the taste – because he has the ability to generate taste from apple.

      Words/ Visuals can evoke, intensify and sustain emotions – but words/ visuals are not emotions.

      In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

      In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve – and that too only by someone who has spent 20 – 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

      Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds – anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today’s fast society.

      Then there are difficult emotions – which require ability and years of effort to develop – emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought – freezing of visuals and words – huge amounts of gaps between thinking – to evoke, intensify and sustain.

      The experiments I have proposed are primarily meant for those people who understand only the language of science. We don’t need experiments to understand that our present lifestyle is destroying our Minds and Environment – the evidence is everywhere – left, right and center. The craze and fetish for science and scientific proof has mainly existed for the last 50 – 100 years. People have lived on this planet for thousands of years without needing scientific proof to understand something. It is Science and Technology that created the consumerist Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of Mind and Nature/ Environment. Who needs more science or more scientific proof. Science is not the solution – Science is the problem.

      IQ Vs EQ

      IQ always has an element of change in it – IQ is about trying to make/ discover/ invent something new all the time.
      Change is an inherent feature of IQ.
      IQ is also about thinking more in less time—it involves speeding up of mind. Someone who does more mathematics in less time is considered more intelligent in mathematics. IQ is about change and speed.

      EQ is about sustainment of the same feeling/experience over a period of time. When we experience any higher-level emotion for 10 minutes we experience the same feeling( subjective experience) over and over again for 10 minutes.
      The( same) feeling can sustain only if there is Repetition.
      EQ involves Repetition—Constancy—Sameness.

      IQ and EQ are contradictory.
      IQ and EQ are opposites.
      IQ and EQ are inversely proportional.

      (1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
      (2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
      without destroying nature.
      (3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
      limited to searching for food for one time only.
      (4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
      years / a few hundred years.
      (5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
      (6) This destruction took place because of Man’s thinking.
      (7) When man thinks he makes things.
      (8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
      ( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

      (9) A thinking species destroys the planet.

      Intelligence Is A Curse.

      This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

      The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
      [Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

      The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
      [The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

      Intelligence is a curse – a disease – a disability – an abnormality.

      Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

      [In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]

      Mental work is injurious to the mind and planet.

      Life was never good in the past.

      Life will never be good in future.

      Life can never be good.

      Suffering is a part of life – an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

      There is Physical suffering – There is Mental suffering.

      In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
      In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases – Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.

      Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

      We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

      There is no higher purpose behind work.

      People do not work because they want to work.
      People work because they cannot stop working.

      The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

      Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

      All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

      When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

      When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense – so unbearable – that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes.

      People do not work because they want to work.
      People do not work for their family.
      People do not work for their nation.
      People do not work for any reason.

      People work because they cannot stop working.

      It does not matter what kind of work we do – whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

      [ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously – and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

      For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
      The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

      Man can do the same physical work every day.
      Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

      When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

      After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products– a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

      When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all – 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

      Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter – these are necessities.

      Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes – you will then know what necessity is.

      Stop drinking water for a few days – you will then know what necessity is.

      Stop eating food for a few days – you will then know what necessity is.

      Today people are making thousands of consumer goods – not because they are necessities – but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work – After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return – once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

      If we live a simple life there is individual suffering – but no largescale destruction of Environment.

      If we live a consumerist life there is individual suffering – plus largescale destruction of Environment.

      The nature of mental work is such that man has to do new mental work every day- in fact he has to do new mental work every moment- Man cannot repeat in the next moment the mental work that he has already done in the previous moment.

      A mathematician cannot solve the same problem of mathematics every day- once he has solved it he will be forced to take up a new( unsolved) problem. Even when he is solving one particular problem he has to move from one step to another – there is a continuous change involved — there is no constancy at any stage.

      An engineer cannot design the same machine again and again –once he has made a machine he will try to make changes/ design a new one.

      A writer cannot write the same article every day- he will be forced to write something new every day/ every moment (This is also the reason behind endless discussions/ debates/ arguments).

      Discussions, Debates and Arguments.

      Let us examine how much discussion we are collectively having in Industrial Society every day.

      Millions of pages in print – newspapers / books / magazines.
      Millions of web-pages on internet every day.

      Now add to this all the conversation (discussion) we are having through radio / television / telephone and several other media every day.

      And add to this all the discussion we are having through face-to-face interaction.

      The volume of discussion per individual in one week is greater than the total discussion someone living in pre-industrial society would have in his entire life.

      There is too much discussion in modern society.
      Discussion is not solving our problems – discussion itself has become a problem – a gigantic problem.

      A society that does mental work will discuss itself to destruction [extinction]

      A society that does mental work will argue itself to destruction [extinction]

      A society that does mental work will debate itself to destruction [extinction]

      A society that does mental work can never stop discussions / debates / arguments – it is impossible. It will discuss / debate / argue till the last moment of it’s existence.

      Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are creations of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.

      Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are diseases of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.

      Discussions / debates / arguments can end only in agriculture-based societies that do physical work.

      We cannot do physical-work and mental-work simultaneously.

      There is an inverse relationship between physical-work and mental-work.
      If one is high [more] the other has got to be low [less]

      If we want to do physical work we have to reduce mental activity by the same proportion.
      If we want to do mental work we have to reduce physical activity by the same proportion.

      There is very little discussion / debate / argument in societies that do physical work – ie, agriculture-based societies – And this is the reason why they are millions of times saner than industrial societies.

      Change is an inherent feature of mental work.

      Since change is an inherent feature of mental work – a society that does mental work can never be at peace with itself – it is impossible.

      A society that does mental work will always be restless.

      Only those societies that do physical work [agriculture and related activities] can find contentment and peace.

      As long as cities exist we can neither save the environment nor the mind.

      To save the [ remaining ] environment from destruction man will have to
      return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

      To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

      Criminality and Abnormality.

      Industrial Society has collectively killed billions of Animals and Trees [ Remember – plant and animal species developed over a period of millions ofyears]

      It has also killed most of Water and Air [ Please note – polluting Water and Air is equivalent to killing Water and Air ]

      The soil was not fertile when the earth was created. It became fertile – very slowly – over a period of millions of years. And look what man has done – He has covered millions and millions of hectares of land with cement and concrete. All the land that has been covered with cement and concrete has been killed.

      Man has stockpiled thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive nuclear material and nuclear waste which is going to remain highly radioactive and carcinogenic for the next thousands of years – and which has already leaked into the environment hundreds of times.

      There is an arsenal of 50,000 nuclear missiles that can destroy the planet several times over.

      What could be more criminal than this.
      What could be more abnormal than this.

      Lawyers and Judges are trying to catch a few criminals.
      They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

      Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal.
      They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.

      Industrial Society is collectively making millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [of all kinds] every year – and then it wonders why there is so much violence in this world.

      Big Mystery.

      If you make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives on earth they are going to be used on earth – they are not going to be used on Mars.

      The entire Industrial Society is a terrorist.
      The Military-Industrial-Complex is the real terrorist.
      Science and Technology is the terrorist.

      Make things
      Buy things
      Sell things

      This is not the purpose of life.

      Destroy Shopping Culture.

      No one deserves more.
      Everyone deserves less.
      Life can sustain on earth only when everyone has less.

      There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and millions of species existed.
      Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of the species.

      It took millions of years for millions of species to slowly come into existence on earth – and man has decimated all other species.

      After destroying millions of highly-developed species on earth Man is today searching for a few molecules of life in outer-space.

      If a few microbes, a few molecules of methane / water are found on Mars – it becomes the newspaper headline.

      They call it progress.

      The following is about to come true.

      Nature can exist

      (1) before man.
      (2) after man.
      (3) not with man.

      Destruction of environment can be divided into two parts – destruction of environment for producing food – and destruction of environment for making thousands of consumer goods. In pre-Industrial Society people destroyed environment primarily for food. In Industrial Society people are destroying environment for food and consumer goods. If we want to save environment we will have to bring down the second to the minimum level by not making all unnecessary consumer goods.

      Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most [ more than
      99% ] of the consumer goods we are making today.

      Environment cannot be saved by recycling.

      The attempt of an industrial society to save the environment by recycling is like shooting someone 10,000 times and then trying to save him by taking out one bullet.

      Time is running out for this planet.

      Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years – 200 years – 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short – so small that it almost does’nt exist. It is almost zero.

      Material things don’t bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone – no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy.

      Industrial Society is consuming psychiatric drugs/ sleeping pills by tonnes and tonnes.

      A very large percentage of the population is surviving on precription drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

      One-third of the population has become fat like elephants.

      People talk about increase in lifespan. What is the use of increased lifespan if people have to resort to Drugs, Alcohol and Cigarettes to pull through life. And just wait a few more years – the average lifespan will soon become zero – human life will cease to exist on earth.

      Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth. We would need several planets[earths] to sustain the present lifestyle.

      The human race has been destroying/ killing animals, trees, air, water, land and people from the very beginning of civilization. Science and Technology has increased this destructive capacity millions of times.

      Every man is a serial-killer. The per-capita destruction of Environment – per-capita destruction of Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land is thousands of times greater than what it was 1000 years ago – 500 years ago – 200 years ago.

      The Military-Industrial Complex is all set to destroy whatever life and environment that remains on earth.

      There is a reason why the two World Wars happened in the recent past and not 1000 years ago?

      It was not possible to have world wars 1000 years ago. World Wars became possible only when Science and Technology developed aeroplanes, ships and other carriers which could transport millions of troops and millions of tonnes of weapons[once again a creation of science and technology] from one corner of the globe to another.

      And today one does’nt even need all these to fight a war. One just needs to move finger-tips to launch missiles that can destroy the planet several times over.

      Right at this moment there are several countries fighting wars with one another. There is internal war going on in almost half of the the countries of the world. All these wars are being fuelled and sustained by billions of tonnes of weapons produced by the Military-Industrial Complex every year.

      And it is going to get worse and worse every day.

      If you kill one person they call it murder.
      If you kill a few hundred they call it terrorism.
      If you kill a few million they call it war.

      Science and Technology has made this world [millions of times] more violent and unsafe than before.

      Science and Technology has produced billions of tonnes of weapons and explosives – chemical, biological and nuclear weapons – millions of tonnes of Radioactive material [ which will soon be used to make dirty bombs – which are going to contaminate the environment for hundreds and thousands of years]. Science and Technology is the real terrorist.

      Think Positive.

      Psychologists say — Think Positive.
      Politicians say – Think Positive.
      Economists say – Think Positive.
      Scientists say – Think Positive.
      Everyone says – Think Positive.

      Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up.
      Think Positive.

      Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
      Think Positive.

      Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
      Think Positive.

      There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
      Think Positive.

      Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
      Think Positive.

      Metal everywhere – Concrete everywhere – Plastic everywhere.
      Think Positive.

      Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
      Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.

      This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
      The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.

      Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

      They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.

      There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

      We can never save the environment by doing something.

      It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

      Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for this very reason the human speciesis going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]

      And it is not Mild Overactivity – It is Excessive Overactivity – Exponential Overactivity.

      We cannot save the environment by doing something.

      We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing – much less of what we have been doing.

      If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.

      The Illogical Logic of Man.

      A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
      They say birds are a threat to humans.

      Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
      They said cows are a threat to humans.

      Ever since Man came into existence – millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people – and will continue to infect millions more in future.
      Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
      Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.

      It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence – and can kill millions more any time in future.
      Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.

      It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet – In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.

      Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species – polluted the Sky and Oceans – and poisioned every square inch of earth.

      In a mere 200 – 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.

      Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
      Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.

      The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here – and destroy the entire human race.

      Please note :

      If you indulge in Factory Farming – If you torture the birds – confine millions of them in prison like conditions – depriving them of Sunlight and the freedom to walk and fly – you are creating an environment for the spread of virus and disease.

      Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

      Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

      Progress = Destruction of Nature.
      Development = Destruction of Nature.

      We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
      We cannot have Sustainable Development.

      Development can never be sustainable.
      Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.

      Development and Sustainability are opposites.
      Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

      Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
      Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.

      Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
      Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
      Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.

      Development is associated with Change.
      Development is associated with New.
      Development is associated with Transience.

      Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature – you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

      A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable – it will keep on making consumer goods – destroying the environment moment by moment.

      Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.

      The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

      Stationary Walk.
      Silent Talk.
      Wakeful Sleep.
      Dark Sun
      Gentle Torture.
      Dry Rain.
      Peaceful War.

      There was a time when Man used to say –

      I work in order to feed my family.
      I work in order to put Food on the Table.

      Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

      Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery …………… The list is endless.

      Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
      There is too much weight on the Table.
      And the Table has begun to creak.

      The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

      The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

      The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

      The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

      The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans – the Rivers and Lakes.

      There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

      We need just a few things to live.
      And we are making thousands of things.

      Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.

      Destroy Shopping Culture.

      Go back to Simple Living.
      Go back to putting just Food on the Table.

      sushil_yadav

      [I am seeking help from volunteers in spreading this message far and wide]

    • #44664
      mith
      Participant

      Conversely, ancients spent much of their time farming and fighting for survival. How is that different from the pressures of modern society?

    • #44668
      sushil_yadav
      Participant

      Suffering has always been a part of life. There was suffering in pre-industrial society – there is suffering in industrial society. Physical comforts have brought mental discomforts – hundreds of lifestyle related diseases. The present lifestyle of humans has decimated millions of other species – and polluted the sky, land and oceans. If we continue making thousands of consumer goods – selling them to billions of people then very soon environment will get destroyed to such an extent that human life will cease to exist on this planet.

      sushil_yadav

    • #44694
      mith
      Participant

      That wasn’t my point, if you want to discuss environmental issues, here’s the thread
      about5350.html

      quote :

      Suffering has always been a part of life. There was suffering in pre-industrial society – there is suffering in industrial society. Physical comforts have brought mental discomforts – hundreds of lifestyle related diseases.

      I’ll agree with that, but I don’t see how going back to pre-consumerism and pre-industrial society is any better.

      Sorry, but back in the days you didn’t have a choice, you either picked to survive or you die. Presently, we do have a choice, to immerse ourselves in technology and modern society or become hermits. Being a luddite gets us nowhere fast.

    • #44722
      damien james
      Participant

      This rant seem like one long stream of consciousness. It is hard for me to make tails or heads. What is point I am wondering?

    • #44769
      Khaiy
      Participant

      There are a lot of problems with that article (scientifically, I’m not inserting any personal beliefs at this time).

      The first is that it presumes results:

      quote sushil_yadav:

      I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.
      quote sushil_yadav:

      Results :

      (1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
      (2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
      of actual speed)

      (3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
      body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.

      (4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
      (5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
      breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
      for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

      The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast).
      All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

      A study shouldn’t look to prove a particular idea true, but only to investigate the effects of something. The "proof" offered should be introduced as evidence rather than proof, as it is far from conclusive. It does sound like an interesting study though, and I would like to see the results if it is performed.

      Syllogistically, it suffers from a breakdown of logic.

      quote sushil_yadav:

      (1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
      (2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
      without destroying nature.
      (3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
      limited to searching for food for one time only.
      (4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
      years / a few hundred years.
      (5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
      (6) This destruction took place because of Man’s thinking.
      (7) When man thinks he makes things.
      (8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
      ( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

      (9) A thinking species destroys the planet.

      Not only is there a lack of definition for significant terms (what exactly determines thinking? Squirrels hoard nuts, orangutans use tools, both could be argued to show planning or mechanical forethought), but there is not a necessary link between each point. Destruction of the environment/planet should be the endpoint of your logical progression, rather than being at the beginning and middle and end, since that’s what the author is seeking to prove.
      Finally, the use of the word "destruction" needs definition, badly. Is all of the environment irreperably destroyed? Is there any way to "think" (accepting your syllogism) without automatically destroying nature? A logical progression needs to be presented in more absolute terms before it gains much validity.

      And I have to agree with mithril, even if we went back to much older ways it wouldn’t necessarily fix anything. Even if you eliminated lifestyle-related mental disorders (which, by the way, are frequently treatable), I doubt that that would be much comfort to a person who is dying of a treatable infection, simply because their society chose to strip itself of the ability to make those treatments.

    • #44884
      sushil_yadav
      Participant

      Living a simple life does not mean going back to pre-industrial society. It means living with few material things. Today there are hundreds of consumer goods in most homes – and most of them are unnecessary. Take toys for instance. Toy making is a billion dollar industry which is causing considerable harm to environment. We don’t need toys for survival. More than 90% of the consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago – and people were not living in stone age 50 years ago – they were living quite well. In America there are Amish people who are still living with very few possessions.

      The destruction of environment can be divided into two parts – destruction of environment for producing food – and destruction of environment for making thousands of consumer goods. If we want to save environment we will have to bring down the second to the minimum level by not making all the unnecessary consumer goods.

      My article does begin with analysis of emotions but the main point of the article is the switch-over from physical work to mental work which has led to consumerism and destruction of environment / ecology. This planet was created for millions of species to live – humans should not be destroying all other species.

      susahil_yadav

    • #44929
      February Beetle
      Participant

      What are you going to tell all the people who are going to lose their jobs if there is no more mass-consumption?
      "get a new job?" because if you wipe out mass consumption then the jobs that it doesn’t have a big effect from will be flooded with people wanting them.

    • #44949
      Khaiy
      Participant

      And you still haven’t addressed the beneficial things from industrialized society (like vaccines, which require capital, time, resources, and "mental work" to produce). Plus, you haven’t made a very strong link concerning an absolute shift from physical to mental work, which is a pretty large part of your arguments.

    • #44961
      sushil_yadav
      Participant

      There are no solutions – there will be no solutions. All the solutions made by humans have actually been problems in disguise. Once people switch-over from physical work to mental work they become incapable of doing full time physical work. Today people have become incapable of even walking – they need a car to go a short distance. Reversal is not possible – there is not enough land for all people to plough. And if we continue with the present city based lifestyle we will continue making thousands of consumer goods – completly destroying the environment. Science and technology has given us vaccines that have cured many diseases caused by virus and bacteria – greatly reducing the deaths that were caused by infectious diseases. But this has also led to increase in population. Our planet can neither sustain so many people nor this lifestyle.

      sushil_yadav

    • #44965
      Khaiy
      Participant

      Bit that isn’t any reason that there couldn’t be some other solution (like living off planet, I know it’s not the most practical example but it’s all I could think of off of the top of my head). And you’re experiencing a breakdown of logic again– people aren’t incapable of walking anymore (I walked over a mile the other day myself). They just choose the greater speed and convenience of a car. You’re right, without any industry we wouldn’t wreck the planet like we have been, but that doesn’t mean that eliminating industry is the only possible way to solve the problem. And you’re sort of throwing the baby out with the bathwater here, by abolishing everything good (like vaccines) because you’re trying to eliminate some other hypothetical harm (overpopulation, which again, could be stymied other ways).

    • #109855
      sushil_yadav
      Participant

      Food, Clothing & Shelter……these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans……. Industrial consumer goods must be eliminated immediately.

      Industrial Society is doing research on sustainability after destroying 75 – 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems. Nature has already done millions of years of research on sustainability…….Nature has already given us millions of years of proof of sustainability. Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years because their activity was limited to searching for food. Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years because their activity was limited to searching for food. Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society]because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

      For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment……Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

      This is like debating what is good for people…..Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

      Poison kills people…..it does’nt matter who made it ……Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      Industrial Activity kills ecosystems…..It does’nt matter which system runs it…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      All Industrial Activity destroys environment……Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It does’nt matter which system runs it…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does’nt matter which system runs it…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 – 90% of Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population……Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 – 5% of what it was 100 years ago……Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago…..Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste…..It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement And Concrete.

      Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years…….because their activity was limited to searching for food.

      Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years…….because their activity was limited to searching for food.

      Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years[compared to Industrial Society]…….because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

      Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Ecosystems in just 250 years……because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

      Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately…….Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter……And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

      There is only one cause of environmental destruction……Industrialization.

      Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are only consequences/ by-products of Industrialization.

      Overconsumerism is quite obviously a consequence of Industrialization….. Industrial consumer goods and services would not exist without Industrial Activity.

      Overpopulation is also a by-product of Industrialization. The entire world was overbreeding until the middle years of 20th century…..even Western Countries had 5 – 12 children per family[and even more]…..and yet population of the world remained low before industrialization because of high death rate, lower life span and shortage of food and water. It was only 1 billion in 1800 AD. India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago, since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions. What was the population of Europe/ America/ West 2000 years ago????……Was it comparable to eastern population of India and China????

      Industrialization is the cause of overpopulation and overconsumerism.

      Moreover, Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.

      Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.

      When we talk of population we should take into account population of all animal species, not just human population.

      Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species. The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.

      Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species…..but there was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population…..and we don’t even need to include smaller animals in this count…..the combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.

      The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today…….Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years……because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

      If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.

      The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future…..so where is the problem with population?????

      What is the cause of human overpopulation??????……It is Industrialization……World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion today ……..In the absence of Industrialization world population would only be a small fraction of 7 billion today.

      It is not population that destroys environment……It is lifestyle…….The combined population of millions of animal species was much greater than present human population…….and yet they did not destroy environment for millions of years because they destroyed environment only for Food…….not for Thousands of Consumer Goods.

      The cause of Environmental Destruction is Industrialization / Consumerism………Not population / overpopulation.

      A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would not destroy environment [And a Hunter_Gatherer Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

      An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would cause much lesser environmental destruction than an Industrial Society of 7 billion [And an Agrarian Society would never reach a population of 7 billion]

      Industrialization is the cause of Human Overpopulation and Overconsumerism

      It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation……It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.

      Height of Insanity!

      Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately…….Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter.

      sushil_yadav
      EnviroLink
      Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    • #109863
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      Congrats!! The most long-winded, pedantic pile of garbage I’ve seen on this site.

    • #109864
      sushil_yadav
      Participant

      A non-sensical one line post.

      Is this all you are capable of writing??????

      The content of the thread is beyond your level, beyond your grasp, beyond your capacity to understand.

      Would you like to discuss / debate any point mentioned in the thread???????

    • #110063
      sachin
      Participant

      Sushil, whatever you are saying looks like you want to take human race in past where we originated. If you start doing so you will find human mind can not remain bound to Food, cloth and shelter alone. It always search for challenges and once completed will search for new. That’s how we have evolved.

      Being powerful and to win every challenge is the prime motive of human mind.

      We could live simple lives along with technology. What we call as "Sustainable Living".
      But to do so everyone has to realize its basic needs and how much one need to survive. After all its difficult, and not nature’s rule to. Greed will be one reason of extinction on our species, which a rule of nature’s cycle in fact.

      By Polluting air, water and by destroying ecosystems we are not destroying nature at all (human is not that great) we are just following nature’s big cycle of origin and extinction of species.

    • #110066
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      Go away

    • #110079
      sushil_yadav
      Participant

      sachin,

      Thanks for your views.

      Development is Destruction.

      Material Development has destroyed all ecosystems. If any kind of Development was needed it was Spiritual Development. In India and some other countries people spent thousands of years to understand subjective states of mind and developed techniques and methods that could make the mind calm, quiet, tranquil and peaceful……. the practice of yoga and meditation led to spiritual development / evolution.

      In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed what nature created in millions of years.

      A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.

      If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that destroy environment.

      At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

      We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list……which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth ………these have to be eliminated or minimized.

      Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter……And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

      sushil_yadav
      Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    • #110084
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      go away

    • #110088
      animartco
      Participant
      quote sushil_yadav:

      There are no solutions – there will be no solutions. All the solutions made by humans have actually been problems in disguise. Once people switch-over from physical work to mental work they become incapable of doing full time physical work. Today people have become incapable of even walking – they need a car to go a short distance. Reversal is not possible – there is not enough land for all people to plough. And if we continue with the present city based lifestyle we will continue making thousands of consumer goods – completly destroying the environment. Science and technology has given us vaccines that have cured many diseases caused by virus and bacteria – greatly reducing the deaths that were caused by infectious diseases. But this has also led to increase in population. Our planet can neither sustain so many people nor this lifestyle.

      sushil_yadav

      Now this is very true Sushil. Take our magnificent new ‘green’ ‘long life’ light bulbs. A ‘solution.’ Hardly! They use less electricity initially but because they deteriorate so rapidly, (I have one that is literally 4 candle power,) they either have to be replaced as frequently as the old ones, or you use twice as many. Coupled to which when you do have to dispose of them after a year or so they are full of poisons and far more bulky than the old ones.

    • #110090
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      repeating garbage does not change its status – it’s stil garbage

    • #110092
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      But perhaps it has detriorated one mind – suhil’s. Explains the raving.

    • #110095
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote animartco:

      Now this is very true Sushil. Take our magnificent new ‘green’ ‘long life’ light bulbs. A ‘solution.’ Hardly! They use less electricity initially but because they deteriorate so rapidly, (I have one that is literally 4 candle power,) they either have to be replaced as frequently as the old ones, or you use twice as many. Coupled to which when you do have to dispose of them after a year or so they are full of poisons and far more bulky than the old ones.

      animartco,

      You are right.

      When we make consumer goods we destroy environment…..when we make consumer goods we destroy animals, trees, air, water and land….directly or indirectly.

      Environment cannot be saved by changing Technology……It can only be saved when we don’t make consumer goods.

      An analogy …….

      Some people are shooting a person with a gun.

      Sometime during the shooting they think about saving the person…..the right way to save would be to stop the shooting….but they don’t stop the shooting…..they say we will save the person by changing the technology…..by changing the gun….they change the gun and continue shooting, hoping to save the person.

      sushil_yadav
      Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    • #110096
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      sushil – what do you think destroyed your mind?

    • #110111
      foxbrent
      Participant

      …such an enlightening topic (but I think none takes it seriously lol). That is what technology and modernization brought to the entire humanity: greediness. People never got contented; always ask for more without even thinking what the effect of this changing environment was. If only someone will see our world outside and have a comparison on what it looks like before, the big difference was talking.

    • #110118
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      Gred to any etent – exists as a human trait and I’d like to see your proof that it didn’t exist before indsutrialization.

    • #110207
      sachin
      Participant
      quote foxbrent:

      …such an enlightening topic (but I think none takes it seriously lol). That is what technology and modernization brought to the entire humanity: greediness. People never got contented; always ask for more without even thinking what the effect of this changing environment was. If only someone will see our world outside and have a comparison on what it looks like before, the big difference was talking.

      But its an high time to take it really seriously. Else the tipping point is not too far.

    • #110214
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      What garbage – and just what "tipping point" do you mean?

      Are you sure it’s not just you that indsutrialized society has driven mad?

    • #110535
      animartco
      Participant

      Wow. This has a lot of very good ideas in it. The connection between emotions and speed, and the difference betwen the’corporate mindset’ and the normal default human mindset. I think there is a real measurable difference here, and I am not sure how much it has been explored.
      However I think it is a bit unhelpful to state that man cannot survive if we continue to live in cities. There is a possible alternative but it isn’t going to happen soon enough for any of us to predict what it will do to humanity. We could for instance all move out into the countryside if we all worked and conferenced online. There would still need to be industrial installations, but they could be almost wholly mechanised.
      This would all be possible now, but there is quite a lot of resistence to working from home. ‘Corporate man’ needs to have his confidence and enthusiasm buoyed up by face to face interaction with a group of members of his own corporation, and that confidence and enthusiasm grows with the numbers and global spread of this interaction.i.e. the highest powered businessmen are those that globe trot the most.
      An unfortunate part of this need for others to help bolster his confidence means that corporate man has less individual sense of responsibility. His S of R is restricted to his being responsible for improving his figures, and making a good show in the eyes of his peers. Ethics never rear their ugly heads! The only law even against doing things that are actually illegal, is ‘don’t get caught!’

    • #110538
      animartco
      Participant

      Your premis in short seems to be that if people slow down they will feel things more intensely and behave better. I sent a reply yesterday which was interrupted. I hadn’t finished making the point but I’d thought it got posted. Glad to see it isn’t here.
      Right you are ignoring the problem of habituation in your assessment of emotions, Also your separation of emotions from thoughts is incorrect. People think and feel at the same time. There is no temporal separation. It is true that thoughts associated with work can override thoughts associated with emotions. If something is worrying you, or something unpleasant has happened it is possible to drown out these emotions with work. From this it follows that workaholics feel less emotion than other people in their lives, because they do not leave themselves time to indulge in personal thought and feelings. However this blocking causes stress, and can lead to breakdowns.
      I think it would be interesting to research whether the constant blocking out of emotions with work can also cause a general deadening of emotion in the person, or an alienation from responsibility for things other than work

    • #110545
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote animartco:

      Also your separation of emotions from thoughts is incorrect. People think and feel at the same time. There is no temporal separation.

      Thanks for your recent posts on the topic.

      Thinking and Feeling can indeed happen simultaneously……but both cannot be increased simultaneously…….When one is high the other is low…….When one is more the other is less.

      When thinking is more, emotion is less……When emotion is more, thinking is less.

      It is just like "Physical Work" and "Mental Work"…….both cannot be increased simultaneously.

      This is why humans have made offices for doing mental work where people sit down on chairs and stop/ minimize their physical activity so that all their energy goes into doing mental work……..Although there is some movement of head, hands and legs in offices, the physical activity is at minimum level.

    • #110852
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      Increased? What are the metrics for thinking nd feeings?

    • #110854
      canalon
      Participant
      quote sushil_yadav:

      Thanks for your recent posts on the topic.

      Thinking and Feeling can indeed happen simultaneously……but both cannot be increased simultaneously…….When one is high the other is low…….When one is more the other is less.

      When thinking is more, emotion is less……When emotion is more, thinking is less.

      It is just like “Physical Work” and “Mental Work”…….both cannot be increased simultaneously.

      This is why humans have made offices for doing mental work where people sit down on chairs and stop/ minimize their physical activity so that all their energy goes into doing mental work……..Although there is some movement of head, hands and legs in offices, the physical activity is at minimum level.

      Evidence?

    • #110992
      animartco
      Participant

      The question was raised as to whether it is consumerism or human population that is destroying the planet. So do we all live ‘the good life’ or do we curtail our reproduction? We do both! The situation is so serious now that half measures will not prevent the destruction of Earth.
      It has been argued that other species in Earth’s history have reached higher proportions than the human population. But those species lived in a single environment and ate only one food source which they were unable to augment by artificial means. Therefore when that food ran out- they died, without damaging all other life on Earth.
      Global warming is caused by the heat that man produces by the use of artificial energy and by the chemical breakdown of all the substances which he is constantly altering. No other animal has ever made fire!

    • #111002
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote animartco:

      The situation is so serious now that half measures will not prevent the destruction of Earth.

      Industrial Society is a lunatic society that is trying to save environment not by stopping Industrial Activity but by changing the technology.

      Bring this technology, Bring that technology……….Bring this technology, Bring that technology.

      A man is shooting someone with a gun……..Some people are trying to save the victim…….They plead with the man asking him to save the victim by stopping the shooting.

      The man says…..Don’t worry……I will save him by changing technology……He replaces the old gun with a new one ……..And continues to shoot.

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      Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity……..Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ……

      Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.

      Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.

      Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.

      Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality…….You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.

      Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years……..It has been destroying environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

      You cannot save a person after killing him…….You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.

      The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

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      There is only one cause of environmental destruction…….Industrialization.

      Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth…….The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism.

      A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment…… because it would have destroyed environment only for food.

      An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment [compared to an Industrial Society of 7 billion]…… because it would have destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

      Industrial Society of 7 billion has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after industrialization because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

      A Hunter_Gatherer Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion.

      An Agrarian Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion.

      World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization…….In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

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      For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment……Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

      This is like debating what is good for people…..Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

      Poison kills people…..it doesn’t matter who made it ……Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      Industrial Activity kills ecosystems…..It doesn’t matter which system runs it…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      All Industrial Activity destroys environment……Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..they all destroy environment….. It doesn’t matter which system runs it…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It does’nt matter which system runs it…..Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

      In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 – 90% of Biodiversity and Ecosystems……Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population……Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 – 5% of what it was 100 years ago……Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago…..Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste…..It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

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      Discussion cannot save environment……..Money cannot save environment……Technology cannot save environment……Environmental Organizations cannot save environment…….Activism cannot save environment.

      Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion……They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

      Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ……..They had no money.

      Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with modern technology……..They had no modern technology……It was absence of modern technology that saved environment in pre-industrial societies……..Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.

      Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or Activism……..They had no environmental organizations.

      Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of years…….Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment during a million years of existence……Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of 10,000 years.

      There is only one way to save environment…….Destroy less……Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.

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      Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest terrorists on earth…….Millions of times bigger terrorists than Taliban and Al Qaeda.

      Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda

      No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???

      It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire planet……It was Industrial Society.

      It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species……It was Industrial Society.

      It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt……It was Industrial Society.

      It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans……It was Industrial Fishing.

      It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars…….It was Military Industrial Complex.

      Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

      For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter…….Animals destroyed environment for food……Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for food……Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

      Development is Destruction……..Development is Destruction.

      "Growth Rate" – "Economy Rate" – "GDP"
      These are figures of "Ecocide".
      These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
      These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
      These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

      Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.

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      Environment has been destroyed by Cities…….Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers………City People are doing extra work which has led to exponential "extra destruction of environment"………. Urban Dwellers are the destroyers of Forests, Villages, Tribal Land, Rivers, Oceans and Atmosphere.

      For millions of years "searching for food" / “producing food” were the primary activities of animal species, hunter_gatherer society and agrarian society………and that is why they sustained for millions of years because they destroyed very little environment compared to Industrial Society…….For millions of years the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.

      In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for 100% of population and the remaining 50% living in cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of "thousands of consumer goods and services".

      It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population exists in this world.

      It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

      It is impossible to save environment as long as Urban Population is promoting Industrial Activity.

      Industrial Activity is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

      Consumerism is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

      Destruction of environment is directly proportional to percentage of Urban Population.

      Most of the people who do not produce food are engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

      Most of the urban population is engaged in production and marketing of consumer goods and services.

      In America 90 – 95% of population is urban……In Europe 80 – 90% of population is urban……this is why consumerism is so rampant in US and West.

      World wide the percentage of urban population is about 50%…….If the entire world is made communist or socialist it is not going to stop/ reduce consumerism as long as the percentage of urban population remains the same.

      As long as Urban Population exists all Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand…….. Energy Generation Industry, Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Construction Industry, Oil Drilling Industry, Oil Refining Industry, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Network, Millions of kilometers of Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..all these Industrial Activities will continue to exist and expand.

      This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

      This planet cannot sustain Urban population.

      Environment has been destroyed primarily by Urban Population……Environment has been destroyed primarily by population that does not produce food.

      This planet can only sustain a society in which [almost] the entire population is engaged in producing food.

      One profession means destruction of environment for one thing…….Thousands of professions means destruction of environment for thousands of things.

      Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years…….because their activity was limited to searching for food.

      Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years…….because their activity was limited to searching for food.

      Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years [compared to Industrial Society]…….because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

      Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years……because it has destroyed environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter".

      The list of unnecessary and destructive work in Industrial Society includes……Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of "Consumer Goods" and Services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary Research …..and lots of other work.

      Out of the population that does not produce Food, the maximum number of people – a few billion people are engaged in Production and Marketing of "Consumer Goods" and Services. Industrial Activity for production of "consumer goods" and services is the biggest destroyer of environment.

      Millions of people are working in Sports Industry……Environment is destroyed to manufacture millions of tonnes of Sports Equipment……Millions of Trees have been cut down and billions of acres of fertile soil has been killed with Cement & Concrete to build millions of Stadiums.

      Millions of people are working in Tourism Industry……Tourism is all about Travelling which promotes Transportation Industry that destroys Environment……Millions of kilometers of Road and Rail network cutting through Forests destroying Trees and Wildlife…..Millions of kilometers of Shipping Lanes torturing and killing Fish…..Millions of kilometers of Air Routes killing the Air with millions of tonnes of exhaust gases.

      Millions of people are working in Entertainment Industry……..Environment has been destroyed to construct millions of Buildings that are used for entertainment and to produce millions of tonnes of Electronic Equipment that provides entertainment.

      Millions of people are working for "Military Industrial Complex" producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world…… Environment is destroyed when weapons are produced and when they are used.

      Millions of City People are engaged in other unnecessary work that destroys even more environment.

      Food, clothing and shelter……these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.

      A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion…….World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization…….In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

      If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

      At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

      We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list……which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth ………these have to be eliminated or minimized.

      We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse…….The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately……..Industrial Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter…….and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

      Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

    • #111003
      JackBean
      Participant

      You’re using argumental fallacy and long boring post to mislead people.

      By stopping industry, you will kill all people (without any shooting).
      By stopping shooter, we will have more people like you around.

      We need the industry to keep our current living and by stopping it, you would cause people decay. The industry is able to increase efficiency and lower pollution, even find new resources, so that we won’t have to destroy the Earth. But if you stop it and stop the research, nothing of that will be possible and the past damage will not be possible to restore.

    • #111009
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      Don’t bother, Jack. You’re wrestling with a pig in the mud – it only gets you dirty and the pig enjoys it.

    • #111099
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote JackBean:

      By stopping industry, you will kill all people (without any shooting).

      When did I talk about stopping all industry……..show me when?????…….show me where?????

      Here is what I wrote in my post :

      quote sushil_yadav:

      Food, clothing and shelter……these are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans.

      A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion…….World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization…….In the absence of industrialization world population would have been only a small fraction of 7 billion today.

      If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

      At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

      We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list……which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth ………these have to be eliminated or minimized.

      We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse…….The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately……..Industrial Activity must be limited to food, clothing and shelter…….and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

      And how is stopping some industry going to kill all people?????…….How does stopping of industrial activity for production of consumer goods and services lead to killing of all people?????

      If absence of industry could lead to killing of all people then you would not be existing today…….Your ancestors lived and survived in pre-industrial societies……If industry were essential for survival then how did all our ancestors survive in pre-industrial societies?????

    • #111100
      JackBean
      Participant

      For example here:
      Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity……..Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like

      The difference between shooting and industry is that for industry is the pollution only side-effect, but with shooting the bad consequences are aim of it.
      Thus, by improving industry we can eliminate the bad side-effects.

    • #111101
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote JackBean:

      For example here:
      Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity……..Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like

      Which industrial activity am I referring to here??????

      What led you to conclude I am referring to all industrial activity?????

      Didn’t you read the complete post?????

      The post makes it very clear that I am referring to Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services……..I am not referring to industrial activity for production of food, clothing and shelter.

    • #111102
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote JackBean:

      The difference between shooting and industry is that for industry is the pollution only side-effect, but with shooting the bad consequences are aim of it.
      Thus, by improving industry we can eliminate the bad side-effects.

      This doesn’t make any sense at all…….I think you are having some problem with english.

    • #111103
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote JackBean:

      You’re using argumental fallacy and long boring post to mislead people.

      We need the industry to keep our current living and by stopping it, you would cause people decay. The industry is able to increase efficiency and lower pollution, even find new resources, so that we won’t have to destroy the Earth. But if you stop it and stop the research, nothing of that will be possible and the past damage will not be possible to restore.

      Who is misleading people……You or me????

      You said industry lowers pollution……..Industrial activity has produced billions of tonnes of metal waste, plastic waste, gaseous waste, chemical waste, eWaste and nuclear waste…….You calll this lowering of pollution????

      Which pre-industrial society produced this much waste????

      How does research save environment??????

      Animal species sustained for millions of years and saved environment for millions of years……They did not do any research.

      Hunter_Gatherer society destroyed very little environment [ compared to Industrial Society] for about a million years……..They did not do any research.

      Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [ compared to Industrial Society] for about 10,000 years……They did not do any research.

    • #111104
      JackBean
      Participant

      It’s not me who has problem with English.
      What I meant is that comparing industry and shooting makes no sense, because industry produces good with some bad side-effects, but shooting has only bad aim.

      Do not put into my mouth what I didn’t say. I said, that improving industry lowers produced pollution! For that reason is the research important, because it will help us to preserve the environment, while keeping our standard of living.

    • #111105
      JorgeLobo
      Participant

      sushil is an ignorant child – why do you argue with him?

    • #115020
      wript
      Participant

      Much of this post is true.
      Brain damage is impacting the ‘executive function’ hampering organization and emotional control. The human brain is not compatible with the ‘modern world’.
      Our prehistoric ancestors lived in grassland, where the slightest change of view could be death. We have the same brain today.
      Visual motion triggers an acute stress response. This response is a ‘survival mechanism’ which is given priority over the rest of the body functions.
      The emotions are tied into this response.
      Studies tie Television watching to early death. Viewers enter a trace-like state within minutes. The motion goes under awareness to the Limbic system where the Amygdala responds to a perceived threat keying the adrenals to release epinephrine ready for ‘fight or flight’.
      Then ‘relaxed’ watching TV, the Epinephrine stops, switching to cortisol. The cortisol harms the heart, the liver, and the brain, eventually the hippocampus is shriveled unable to stop the stress response. This leads to Alzheimer’s.

      We consume and consume.
      Our brains shut down to conserve energy leaving our bodies controlled by habits and instincts and classical conditioning.

      It is not the food driving people to work. It is advertising.
      Pavlov’s dogs salivated at the bell.
      People consume at the feeling.
      Coca cola associated with desire. The feeling of desire triggers a thirst for a Coke.

      The jobs that you are concerned about provide a paycheck so that you can consume. They do not provide any higher value than that.
      Staying in the city is suicidal. Of course at birth we have a 100% probability of death, so you are gonna die anyway.

    • #115166
      animartco
      Participant

      "intensity of emotion increases with a decrease in speed" (of the film.) This does not make physiological sense to me. Strong emotions are immediate, accompanied by an adrenalin rush. Think of horror films. They always work best if the shock is unexpected and happens quickly. The physiology of fight flight reaction is very old and I do not think that this could be affected in any meaningful way by whether a person has a fast or slow lifestyle. (Any real speeding up of reaction time in city dwellers, should be measured by subliminal visual testing of letters or numbers.)The phenomenon associated with reactions to scenes of violence whether to people animals or the environment is one of ‘habituation.’ the reaction loses intensity according to how many times they have seen something similar. One would for instance expect city dwellers to react more to scenes of violence to animals, than country dwellers, who are more likely to have seen animals in trouble simply because they have more access to animals. When it comes to violence to the environment, this really depends on how much each individual cares, and to measure that we need to look at background and education. What makes someone care about the planet? I wish I knew.

    • #115168
      sushil_yadav
      Participant
      quote animartco:

      “intensity of emotion increases with a decrease in speed” (of the film.) This does not make physiological sense to me. Strong emotions are immediate, accompanied by an adrenalin rush. Think of horror films.

      In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

      In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve – and that too only by someone who has spent 20 – 25 years learning mathematics up to PhD level.

      Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds – anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate, fast visual and verbal processing. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today’s fast society.

      Then there are difficult emotions – which require ability and years of effort to develop – emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate, slow visual and verbal processing. These emotions require freezing of thought – freezing of visuals and words – huge amounts of gaps between thinking – to evoke, intensify and sustain.

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