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    • #706
      numbskull66
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      According to Lamarck any characteristic that any person has is inherited by their parents. I was wondering what everyone thought about talent. Is it inherited or does a person have to learn to do something on their own?
      I really would like some input on this topic because I am having trouble starting my research paper.. any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks

    • #21345
      James
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      I think potential for talent can be inherited, through genes. Whether or not the talent is recognised depends other factors like practice.

    • #21365
      mith
      Participant

      Actually according to Lamarck, characteristics acquired in the lifetime of an organism is passed to their offspring. I play rpg games and usually talent is something innate which is inherited/genetic. Proficiency though is developed. Let me give you an example

      In the game Fallout, when you start the game you pick the innate talents of your character such as “Perception” which affects shooting skill. Suppose your character starts out with really crappy perception, the beginning shotting accuracy stats would be low; but as you shoot more, the experience builds up and soon the experience with shooting will increase your accuracy as if you had the talent to begin with.

    • #21613
      protozoan
      Participant

      But according to darwinism the talent is result of random changes in DNA. How unbelieveble for me. According to that, the talent could be lightly inherited by offsprings.

    • #21679
      Charlene
      Participant

      πŸ’‘ Why not? Alcoholism can be inheritated, why not talent? =p
      Even if one has talent in a certain category, one must take advantage of that talent and practise it frequently to reach exceptional performance. Or else, talent is useless if used in vain. πŸ˜€

    • #21752
      b_d_41501
      Participant

      Intelligence is thought to be a polygenic gene inheritance. Therefore, in my opinion, talents may be also inherited in such a way. I mean most actors come from an acting family, and most musicians come from a musically inclined family.

    • #21769
      protozoan
      Participant

      I think the clue question is how talent came to live. Is it because particular group of people were listening to the music and so their children inclined to listen the music too (and play too probably) or some random changes were taking place on DNA strand so the host man of that DNA get inclined to music.

    • #21788
      MrMistery
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      Did anyone think about natural selection? I mean, a guy who has a talent to lye will produce more offspring than a guy that always tells the truth(trust me on this one, i always tell the truth πŸ˜€ )

    • #21794
      Charlene
      Participant

      Well, are you the one who always lies or the one who always tells the truth? lol! πŸ˜€

    • #23961
      Mister Jon
      Participant

      Talent is brought from a parent to a child not because of inheritance but because the parent wants to teach their talent to their child as quickly as possible and bring them up within that talent. ‘A natural talent’ i think is impossible, practise and a good teacher is the key.

    • #24087
      MrMistery
      Participant

      Not quite… Here in romania we have a painter who was an orfan and grew up on the street. Used to sell his painting for food. He had talent, and no parents. My opinion is that it is poligenic, like intelligence and personality

      PS: topic moved to genetics forum. Does this really connect with evolution?

    • #24282
      b_d_41501
      Participant

      That’s what I said. lol

    • #24332
      asusor
      Participant

      YES, it’s result of some genes and enviroment

      quote numbskull66:

      According to Lamarck any characteristic that any person has is inherited by their parents. I was wondering what everyone thought about talent. Is it inherited or does a person have to learn to do something on their own?
      I really would like some input on this topic because I am having trouble starting my research paper.. any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks
    • #24528
      biostudent84
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      quote asusor:

      YES, it’s result of some genes and enviroment

      And it is usually determined how big a part genes and enviornment play a role. It’s usually given in a percentage. This trait is 45% genetic and 55% enviornmental.

      The ability to burn easily is genetic, but the actual burning of the skin occurs due to enviornment.

    • #24577
      b_d_41501
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      My whole family is musically inclined and so am I. However, much of my family is not highly intelligent, but it seems I have some sort of a polygenic trait for it in myself?

    • #24587
      biostudent84
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      quote b_d_41501:

      My whole family is musically inclined and so am I. However, much of my family is not highly intelligent, but it seems I have some sort of a polygenic trait for it in myself?

      It doesn’t necessarily have to be polygenic. There could be a single gene that allows you to become musically inclined.

    • #24605
      b_d_41501
      Participant

      Really? I thought it was polygenic just like intelligence?

    • #24608
      mith
      Participant

      Ditto on that, you’ll probably need genes for good ears, good brain processing, and perhaps manual dexterity.

      Oh and it also helps if you’re taught asian languages. They require perfect pitch.

    • #24617
      b_d_41501
      Participant

      Yeah, that’s what I heard as well. I don’t know any however.

    • #24633
      biostudent84
      Participant
      quote b_d_41501:

      Really? I thought it was polygenic just like intelligence?

      It probably is. But since we don’t know for 100% certain, it’s best to leave it up in the air until someone who’s studied it intensively can give more information.

    • #24826
      b_d_41501
      Participant

      Yes, it is still up in the air. Something as complicated as this must be polygenic though, it will be discovered. Just wait!! lol πŸ˜€

    • #24963
      Exiled
      Participant

      Hello everyone!Because of this my first post in a forum concerned with biology,i hope you’ll forget me a few things:
      -first of all,my English, πŸ˜‰
      -second,my probable lack of knowledge in some more specific fields of biology.

      Thus said,let’s go back to the topic.

      As for talent,I think that the truth lies in the middle between casuality and inheritance.I think that a person develops his/her own talents according both to his/her genoma,that “decides” in which fields of knowledge that person will be more gifted,but also according to his/her parents and the kind of instruction them decide to give to their child:one concerned in preserving the talents already acquired/developed by the family or one that allows the person to choose by himself/herself is own way through the world,and to develop his/her own talents.

      I hope this is the first of a great number of posts,

      Bye!

    • #24967
      mith
      Participant

      People who say they have bad English usually are much better than those who don’t post that at all lol. No worries, you post better than many here in the board.

    • #25309
      neuro5
      Participant

      I think you inherit certain genes that enhance or inhibit certain (especially physical) characteristics. But a lot of talent has to do with a person’s ambition, which often comes from external experiences.

    • #53427
      NameInProgress
      Participant

      There has actually been a gene discovered that might detremine your I.Q.

      http://www.wellesley.edu/Chemistry/chem227/nucleicfunction/transcription/sci-gene-intelligence.html

      However, I don’t think that there is a gene that says ‘this kid will be good at music’.

      Maybe it’s not the actual talent that is inherited, maybe it’s the requirements, such as good hearing to be able to play an instrument well?
      I don’t think the environment plays such an important role. If a person has a passion for something, then they’ll make the best of whatever resources they have.

    • #53443
      Dustfinger
      Participant

      i think yes you have to have the genetical disposition but itΒ΄s mainly a learning thing. start early and youΒ΄ll be successful.

    • #107342
      rapula
      Participant

      Of course talent can be inherited but it has no relation with intelligence…. which is one’s own and unique ability or capacity..Though people around a kid say that he is a master at drawing and has inherited it from his dad or mom.. it solely depends on the practice taken by the kid… and one thing… as a child of five years.. he cannot become a master jus by drawing a stroke on a sheet of paper…he certainly needs practice and the environment which encourages him

    • #107351
      JackBean
      Participant
      quote rapula:

      Of course talent can be inherited
      quote rapula:

      Though people around a kid say that he is a master at drawing and has inherited it from his dad or mom.. it solely depends on the practice taken by the kid

      so which one?

    • #107372
      Cat
      Participant

      "Is talent inherited?" – Absolutely.

      1. Talent by definition is an aptitude for something. Presence of talent does NOT guarantee its use. Thus, while I have a talent for math (I understand new concepts of it almost as if I already knew them) I prefer studying biology and my math practical abilities are about average and way underdeveloped. I inherited my talent form my father, who does not use it either (he knows less math than I do).

      2. Intelligence has nothing to do with the talent. Please, look up definitions.

      3.

      quote NameInProgress:

      There has actually been a gene discovered that might detremine your I.Q.

      That is absolute nonsense. Since I.Q. is a made up concept, it’s like saying that you discovered a gene that determines what you made up…
      I.Q. is subjective, superficial, and culture specific; so how can it possibly be determined by any gene (considering I.Q. exists only in our imagination)?

    • #115431
      Banderi
      Participant

      No.
      Amongst people with equal cerebral health, there is nothing innate within the intellectual capability of a person like talents, inclinations or inherited abilities. All that forms the dispositions and the personality of an individual comes solely from their growth.

      The reason for this is the nature of how growth works inside the human body:
      DNA evolves from bodily necessities and changes extremely slowly in response to these. What is inherited does not come from DNA evolution, but from DNA fusion and renewing.

      The brain, on the other hand, develops all that is needed during the lifetime, and all that is inside the brain is just a piece of "software" that is created after the birth, not inherited. Artistic talent is not stored inside the DNA, it’s just a wont that builds up from environment (e.g. practice).

      If anything, I would say that pure brain speed/neural connectivity might be inherited, being the brain raw structure stored in the DNA.

    • #115437
      Cat
      Participant
      quote Banderi:

      No.
      Amongst people with equal cerebral health, there is nothing innate within the intellectual capability of a person like talents, inclinations or inherited abilities. All that forms the dispositions and the personality of an individual comes solely from their growth.

      The reason for this is the nature of how growth works inside the human body:
      DNA evolves from bodily necessities and changes extremely slowly in response to these. What is inherited does not come from DNA evolution, but from DNA fusion and renewing.

      The brain, on the other hand, develops all that is needed during the lifetime, and all that is inside the brain is just a piece of “software” that is created after the birth, not inherited. Artistic talent is not stored inside the DNA, it’s just a wont that builds up from environment (e.g. practice).

      If anything, I would say that pure brain speed/neural connectivity might be inherited, being the brain raw structure stored in the DNA.

      Completely false! Do you realize that according to what you are saying, autism is not genetic and we know that it is? Do you realize that what you call "cerebral health" is determined by genetics?

    • #115462
      Banderi
      Participant
      quote Banderi:

      …Amongst people with equal cerebral health, …

      Bro, do you even read? It was LITERALLY the first line.

    • #115498
      Cat
      Participant

      As I said before, there is no such thing as "equal cerebral health". Not even in twins – identical genetics + different epigenetics.

      quote Banderi:

      …there is nothing innate within the intellectual capability of a person like talents, inclinations or inherited abilities. All that forms the dispositions and the personality of an individual comes solely from their growth.

      Best example to the contrary of what you are saying is when among twins one is right-handed and another is left-handed. Or do you think it is due to upbringing? Or is it another exception under elusive "equal cerebral health"?

    • #115501
      Banderi
      Participant

      Being right- or left-handed is actually one of the best examples of upbringing.

      Genetically identical twins have exactly equal cerebral health, as in, brains with identical biological structure – therefore, no difference at the moment of birth. Absolutely *all* of their differences are gain after it, as the person evolves.
      Twins (to be more correct, clones) are, in fact, also one of the best examples for the point I’m trying to explain. Thank you, I really didn’t think of it.

    • #115510
      wildfunguy
      Participant

      You must specify the scope. Just how much genetic or environmental variability are you taking into consideration? If I inhereted the genetics of a dog, I would be terrible at reading. If I had untreated syphillus, likewise, I would be terrible at reading. If I was born in a suffocating vacuum, I would be dead.

      Unless you specify the scope, the only logical answer is that it’s both genetic and environmental, for one builds atop the other, and each contain necessary factors without which the talent would never develop.

    • #115511
      Banderi
      Participant

      True that.
      To be more specific, I admit I was taking into consideration only the human race and standard breeding. Also, to avoid further logical problems, I was talking about relative cerebral health (i.e. comparative between two individuals), but it can be generalized once a proper measurement method is found.

      P.S. I’m not lurking 24/7. I was just happening to check for answers at the right moment.

    • #115512
      wildfunguy
      Participant
      quote Cat:

      As I said before, there is no such thing as “equal cerebral health”. Not even in twins – identical genetics + different epigenetics.

      quote Banderi:

      …there is nothing innate within the intellectual capability of a person like talents, inclinations or inherited abilities. All that forms the dispositions and the personality of an individual comes solely from their growth.

      Best example to the contrary of what you are saying is when among twins one is right-handed and another is left-handed. Or do you think it is due to upbringing? Or is it another exception under elusive “equal cerebral health”?

      That’s just one example. There could be higher concordance rate of handedness among identical twins than among fraternal twins. Twin studies on even the most culturally unique variables usually estiamte that about 30% of our variability is due to genetic variability.

    • #115513
      wildfunguy
      Participant
      quote Banderi:

      P.S. I’m not lurking 24/7. I was just happening to check for answers at the right moment.

      Oh… I thought you were stalking me. πŸ™

    • #115514
      Banderi
      Participant

      I still don’t get the twins example, but I think he mistype’d.

      quote wildfunguy:

      quote Banderi:

      P.S. I’m not lurking 24/7. I was just happening to check for answers at the right moment.

      Oh… I thought you were stalking me. πŸ™

      Oh….. Looks like you got me……….
      I’m afraid I’m going to have to finish this once and for all, Mr. Wildfunguy….

    • #115741
      RZachary1
      Participant

      i don’t think so, it can be inherited it is purely god gifted. If talent inherit through genetics then every talented person has so many talented child.

    • #115743
      Banderi
      Participant

      That’s why it’s not inherited nor innate. You can only get it through hard work.

    • #115906
      Banderi
      Participant

      That’s because they learn from the surrounding ambient and pick up similar tastes.

    • #115992
      Fornita
      Participant

      In my opinion, inherit part and environment are all needed for talents. Inherit part contribute the physical fundamental for talents. And environment determine whether the "talents" could become real talents.

    • #116044
      RyanShelling
      Participant

      Remember the brain can learn anything to near perfect performance after enough practice, though some people are born with a varying degree of talent which develop at a faster rate than a non-talented person, however if the non-talented person practices much harder, they can become better than the talented person. So it’s more of how hard you work.

    • #116052
      SarahJames
      Participant

      Everyone has a brain that can become finely tuned to whatever it’s trained on and that can give the appearance of talent. Is an acting families daughter really born with talent or the product of her environment, from years of training acting as a child?

      There’s variances and multiple answers to your question, but it is a mystery that I like to think about it!

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