Biology Forum Cell Biology metabolisme problem

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    • #4409
      kabuto
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      how many molecules of ATP is formed when lactate is catabolized via Krebs cycle?

      how is lactate converted to pyruvate or is it to acetly CoA?

      i know that the part from pyruvate until krebs cycle.
      pyruvate–>acetyl CoA(1 NADH=3ATP)
      acetyl CoA–> Krebs (3NADH=9ATP, 1FADH2=2ATP, 1GTP=1ATP)
      total=3+9+2+1=15ATP

    • #45840
      Enzyme
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      Lactate is converted to pyruvate (by NAD+ dependent lactate dehydrogenase). Pyruvate is converted to Acetyl CoA and then, this pass to Krebs’ Cycle.

      The aerobic catabolization of lactate generates the formation of 17 ATP.

    • #45923
      kabuto
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      thanks, enzyme

    • #45927
      kiekyon
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      quote Enzyme:

      Lactate is converted to pyruvate (by NAD+ dependent lactate dehydrogenase). Pyruvate is converted to Acetyl CoA and then, this pass to Krebs’ Cycle.

      The aerobic catabolization of lactate generates the formation of 17 ATP.

      can u show us the calculation, please..

    • #45937
      Enzyme
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      quote kabuto:

      thanks, enzyme

      You’re welcome ;).

    • #46042
      sdekivit
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      quote kiekyon:

      quote Enzyme:

      Lactate is converted to pyruvate (by NAD+ dependent lactate dehydrogenase). Pyruvate is converted to Acetyl CoA and then, this pass to Krebs’ Cycle.

      The aerobic catabolization of lactate generates the formation of 17 ATP.

      can u show us the calculation, please..

      look in the table in metabolism: lactate is converted to pyruvate by lactate dehydrogenase and yield 1 NADH (2,5 ATP)

      then pyruvate is metabolized in de krebscycle yielding:
      4 NADH = 10 ATP
      1 FADH2 = 1,5 ATP
      1 GTP = 1 ATP

      total = 12,5 ATP + 2,5 ATP = 15 ATP

    • #46046
      scottyiu
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      Is their any way to increase or decrease the rate of metabolisme?

    • #46128
      kabuto
      Participant

      is it 15 or 17??
      ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓

    • #46155
      sdekivit
      Participant

      15 is the correct answer, i don’t know where the 2 ATP from enzyme came from.

    • #46276
      Enzyme
      Participant

      Hey, thanks for the correction! 😉

      Sorry, I have read again my post answering kabuto’s question and I’ve seen that I wrote: ’17 ATP’. I wanted to mean ’18 ATP’. I didn’t see the mistake before.

      The explanation of my answer is because I did the calculations basing me in the next equivalences:

      1 NADH = 3 ATP.
      1 FADH2 = 2 ATP.
      1 GTP = 1 ATP.

      When lactate is converted to pyruvate, one NAD+ is reduced to NADH. So the value in ATP molecules (taking in account the equivalences shown at the top of this paragraph) is 3 ATP.

      So my point of view would be:

      1. Lactate —> Pyruvate [1 NADH = 3 ATP]
      2. Pyruvate —> Acetyl CoA [1 NADH = 3 ATP]
      3. Krebs’ cycle [3 NADH = 9 ATP, 1 FADH2 = 2 ATP and 1 GTP = 1 ATP]

      In conclusion:

      3 ATP + 3 ATP + 9 ATP + 2 ATP + 1 ATP = 18 ATP

      The true values in ATP molecules of NADH and FADH2 are 2.5 and 1.5 respectively. But for questions of a better teaching or I don’t know, many people round up the values to 3 and 2 respectively. For that I based my explanation on those values.

      Thanks for the correction again ;). See you! 😉

    • #46512
      Eolian1701
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      But don’t forget that there are TWO pyruvates that enter into the cycle for each glucose molecule. So do you double the number of ATP’s for glucose or are you looking for just ONE pyruvate?

      Eolian

    • #46538
      Enzyme
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      quote Eolian1701:

      But don’t forget that there are TWO pyruvates that enter into the cycle for each glucose molecule. So do you double the number of ATP’s for glucose or are you looking for just ONE pyruvate?

      Eolian

      My explanation is for one pyruvate (1 malate —> 1 pyruvate). But thanks Eolian for your statement.

    • #46601
      sdekivit
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      quote Eolian1701:

      But don’t forget that there are TWO pyruvates that enter into the cycle for each glucose molecule. So do you double the number of ATP’s for glucose or are you looking for just ONE pyruvate?

      Eolian

      no, because 1 lactate will yield 1 pyruvate. It’s not glucose metabolism 😉

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