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- April 12, 2006 at 2:34 pm #4409kabutoParticipant
how many molecules of ATP is formed when lactate is catabolized via Krebs cycle?
how is lactate converted to pyruvate or is it to acetly CoA?
i know that the part from pyruvate until krebs cycle.
pyruvate–>acetyl CoA(1 NADH=3ATP)
acetyl CoA–> Krebs (3NADH=9ATP, 1FADH2=2ATP, 1GTP=1ATP)
total=3+9+2+1=15ATP - April 12, 2006 at 5:41 pm #45840EnzymeParticipant
Lactate is converted to pyruvate (by NAD+ dependent lactate dehydrogenase). Pyruvate is converted to Acetyl CoA and then, this pass to Krebs’ Cycle.
The aerobic catabolization of lactate generates the formation of 17 ATP.
- April 13, 2006 at 7:53 am #45923kabutoParticipant
thanks, enzyme
- April 13, 2006 at 8:33 am #45927kiekyonParticipantquote Enzyme:Lactate is converted to pyruvate (by NAD+ dependent lactate dehydrogenase). Pyruvate is converted to Acetyl CoA and then, this pass to Krebs’ Cycle.
The aerobic catabolization of lactate generates the formation of 17 ATP.
can u show us the calculation, please..
- April 13, 2006 at 10:54 am #45937EnzymeParticipantquote kabuto:thanks, enzyme
You’re welcome ;).
- April 14, 2006 at 12:10 pm #46042sdekivitParticipantquote kiekyon:quote Enzyme:Lactate is converted to pyruvate (by NAD+ dependent lactate dehydrogenase). Pyruvate is converted to Acetyl CoA and then, this pass to Krebs’ Cycle.
The aerobic catabolization of lactate generates the formation of 17 ATP.
can u show us the calculation, please..
look in the table in metabolism: lactate is converted to pyruvate by lactate dehydrogenase and yield 1 NADH (2,5 ATP)
then pyruvate is metabolized in de krebscycle yielding:
4 NADH = 10 ATP
1 FADH2 = 1,5 ATP
1 GTP = 1 ATPtotal = 12,5 ATP + 2,5 ATP = 15 ATP
- April 14, 2006 at 2:21 pm #46046scottyiuParticipant
Is their any way to increase or decrease the rate of metabolisme?
- April 15, 2006 at 12:54 pm #46128kabutoParticipant
is it 15 or 17??
❓ ❓ ❓ ❓ - April 15, 2006 at 4:46 pm #46155sdekivitParticipant
15 is the correct answer, i don’t know where the 2 ATP from enzyme came from.
- April 16, 2006 at 4:04 pm #46276EnzymeParticipant
Hey, thanks for the correction! 😉
Sorry, I have read again my post answering kabuto’s question and I’ve seen that I wrote: ’17 ATP’. I wanted to mean ’18 ATP’. I didn’t see the mistake before.
The explanation of my answer is because I did the calculations basing me in the next equivalences:
1 NADH = 3 ATP.
1 FADH2 = 2 ATP.
1 GTP = 1 ATP.When lactate is converted to pyruvate, one NAD+ is reduced to NADH. So the value in ATP molecules (taking in account the equivalences shown at the top of this paragraph) is 3 ATP.
So my point of view would be:
1. Lactate —> Pyruvate [1 NADH = 3 ATP]
2. Pyruvate —> Acetyl CoA [1 NADH = 3 ATP]
3. Krebs’ cycle [3 NADH = 9 ATP, 1 FADH2 = 2 ATP and 1 GTP = 1 ATP]In conclusion:
3 ATP + 3 ATP + 9 ATP + 2 ATP + 1 ATP = 18 ATP
The true values in ATP molecules of NADH and FADH2 are 2.5 and 1.5 respectively. But for questions of a better teaching or I don’t know, many people round up the values to 3 and 2 respectively. For that I based my explanation on those values.
Thanks for the correction again ;). See you! 😉
- April 17, 2006 at 8:43 pm #46512Eolian1701Participant
But don’t forget that there are TWO pyruvates that enter into the cycle for each glucose molecule. So do you double the number of ATP’s for glucose or are you looking for just ONE pyruvate?
Eolian
- April 17, 2006 at 11:32 pm #46538EnzymeParticipantquote Eolian1701:But don’t forget that there are TWO pyruvates that enter into the cycle for each glucose molecule. So do you double the number of ATP’s for glucose or are you looking for just ONE pyruvate?
Eolian
My explanation is for one pyruvate (1 malate —> 1 pyruvate). But thanks Eolian for your statement.
- April 18, 2006 at 6:49 am #46601sdekivitParticipantquote Eolian1701:But don’t forget that there are TWO pyruvates that enter into the cycle for each glucose molecule. So do you double the number of ATP’s for glucose or are you looking for just ONE pyruvate?
Eolian
no, because 1 lactate will yield 1 pyruvate. It’s not glucose metabolism 😉
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