Pet Wolf?

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    • #3205
      alextemplet
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      If I remember correctly, the domestic dog (Canis familiaris) is believed to be descended from the grey wolf (Canis lupus). If this is true, exactly when did the two become separate species? I’ve never heard of domestication/selective breeding producing a new species, but is this such an example? There are only two possibilities that I can think of; perhaps someone can name a third:

      1) Domestic dogs started out as domestic wolves, and selective breeding by humans later caused the domesticated ones to evolve into a new species.

      2) Domestic dogs started out as something similar to, but different from, wolves, and somehow humans managed to domesticate the entire species to the point that no C. familiaris populations survive in the wild.

      I suppose similar questions could be asked about the domestic cat, horse, cow, etc.

    • #37218
      MrMistery
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      TAKE NOTE!! Canis familiaris, the common dog, was reclasified in the 1980s as a subspecies of the grey wolf. Thus, now, the general accepted name for he dog is Canis lupus familiaris

    • #37242
      alextemplet
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      Wow, I wasn’t aware of that. That’s amazing, especially since poodles don’t seem to have that much in common with wolves. I can see the resemblance with work breeds, though, especially huskies. It seems as though my first hypothesis was correct, with the exception that a speciation event never occurred.

      Well, thanks for the info. That’ll certainly make me look at man’s best friend in a whole new way. "Hey, check this out, I have a wolf in my backyard!" 😆

    • #37243
      ZakaSPFC
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      odd, we are closer related to pygmy chimps than dogs are to wolves but they are a subspecies, Homo sapien trogolydes?

    • #37296
      MrMistery
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      I think our ego prevents scientists from classifing us so close to pigme chimps 🙂 🙂 😆 😆

    • #37405
      alextemplet
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      Some people believe we are more closely related to dogs than chimps. 😯 I have NO idea how they draw that conclusion, but some people do actually believe that.

    • #37408
      ZakaSPFC
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      The way it is done is they extract the dna from each and burn it seperatly. Then they mix them together and burn it. They take the burn times and make a proportion.

    • #37412
      alextemplet
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      Sounds interesting, and I don’t doubt that humans and dogs are closely related, but not as close as humans and apes. Just look at the fossils. I don’t think there’s any fossils of Caninanthropus (translated "Dog man"), unless that’s a genus that has yet to be discovered.

    • #37501
      ZakaSPFC
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      no you miss understood me, humans are more closely related to pygmy chimps than dogs are to wolves

    • #37502
      ZakaSPFC
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      Humans are .7% different from pygmy chimps
      while dogs are about 2% from wolves

    • #37535
      alextemplet
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      My mistake; I apologize. So why aren’t humans and chimps classified as subspecies of the same species? Are people too egotistical to admit that we’re so similar to apes?

    • #37538
      ZakaSPFC
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      Yep it would probably be seperate species under the genus Homo, but humans are too "UNIQUE" to be grouped with "inferior" primates

    • #37540
      alextemplet
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      Inferior, eh? 😯 Last time I checked, chimps were not rampaging around destroying the environment. 😕 They do kill each other every now and then, though, so perhaps they’re not that different . . . 8) 😈 😆

    • #37574
      opuntia
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      I agree with you there, since that’s kinda exactly what we human beings do these days…

    • #37586
      chicoguardian
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      having a pet wolf would be cool, but unfortunatly dangerous if you had no idea what you were doing with him

    • #37614
      alextemplet
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      But according to our original discussion, dogs are wolves, just a different subspecies. So even if you a little toy dog like a chihuahua or a dachsund (I love weinerdogs! 😀 ), you can tell people that you have a pet wolf and it’d be true. Pretty cool, eh? 8)

    • #37703
      ZakaSPFC
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      Canis lupus familiaris

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