- December 17, 2004 at 9:23 pm #253
Hey this is just a poll to see whether or not Ligers or Tigons are rarer. When I mean rarer; I mean rarer in nature. Also if you know information about either Tigons and Ligers and their genetic development please leave me a message.
- December 21, 2004 at 12:58 pm #18781
I found my own answer. Tigons are a lot rarer than ligers. However the rarest form of hybrids for this family is a TI-tigon which is a tiger male mated with a tigon female. These are so rare that only one existed known.
- December 21, 2004 at 1:01 pm #18782DragonParticipant
You are absolutely right. Tigons are rarer and Ti-tigons are the rarest form of hybrids. but i do not know that there was only one tigon. I think there must have been more.
- December 22, 2004 at 6:42 pm #18797
I’m doing a report on Ligers and Tigons so anybody who is interested can ask me personally a question and most likely i will know it. I have become my own expert. I have tons of referecnes.
- December 22, 2004 at 6:53 pm #18805
are there any other non-cat hybrids that have been created?
- December 22, 2004 at 7:15 pm #18816
there are many hybrids such as zorses which is a hybrid between a horse and zerbra. There are many many just google.
- December 23, 2004 at 12:45 am #18826
I was wondering…would these hybrids be human experimentation induced, or are they all just nature’s work?
- December 23, 2004 at 3:06 am #18835
Actually no Inu, there are currently a pair of healthy 16-years-old Tigon twins in Australia’s National Zoo. They were bred from a male Bengal Tiger and a lioness. The Australians are currently trying to provide and protect the two with the best facilities possible. Both big cats are on a diet as of now, and are fed many things such as beef, horse, kangaroo, chicken, goat and rabbit. I do not doubt that there are more existing tigons in the wild that are not scientifically recorded.
- December 23, 2004 at 6:38 pm #18850
what is life like for these hybrids. Do they have a short life span, any common mental or physical disabilities
- December 23, 2004 at 6:40 pm #18851
There is only one Ti-tigon. There have of course been many tigons but only one Ti-Tigon. Most are privately owned so data on them is limited but there has been only one Ti-tigon recorded.
- December 23, 2004 at 6:42 pm #18855
Well Snake, these hybrids are quite readily protected with great funds. I’d think that they would live pretty long unless if some virulent disease got to them, and if they weren’t propely attended to. In the wild tho, I think they probably have a lower survival rate.
- December 23, 2004 at 6:45 pm #18858
another question for you all. I thought that interspecies mating was supposed to result in a sterile offspring. How can ligers and tigons mate then?
- December 23, 2004 at 7:05 pm #18864
Liger and tigon males are sterile. But most females are actually nonsterile. That is how combinations of ligers and tigons can be formed. Some hybrids mostly females can reprocue. Ligers and Tigons females can reproduce.
- December 23, 2004 at 7:06 pm #18865
so then hybrids can not mate but a hybrid can mate with a nonhybrid?
- December 23, 2004 at 7:11 pm #18869
Well Snake, take the example of dogs today. People crossbreed different types of dogs to form a new, more desirable breed. So IMO, I’d think that hybrids could breed, but just more rare in the wild. Where else would you get a Chinese Hairless Crested Dog?
- December 23, 2004 at 7:12 pm #18870
hybrids cannot mate with other hybrids because most hybrid males cannot mate. Yes a hybrid can mate with a nonhybrid that is how you can get things like li-ligers, ti-tigons, etc.
- December 23, 2004 at 7:13 pm #18871
but am i wrong in saying that breeds are not seperate species? its not like a wolf and great dane mated and then that hybrid mated. These are all domesticated animals.
- December 23, 2004 at 7:17 pm #18876
No breeds are not seperate species. Actually they are not considered species at all. They don’t have genus speices names. Very weird.
- December 23, 2004 at 7:18 pm #18877
Could any one tell me why ligers and tigons dont’ have a genus species name? Or any name besides the nickname.
- December 24, 2004 at 6:29 am #18900
A problem in classifying a newly discovered organism is in determining the specific characteristics that actually distinguish it from all other types of organisms. Arguments between scientists often erupt over whether a certain trait is important or not. Some would rather define new species based on minor differences, while others would emphasize on major differences. Even though breeding experiments may be performed, members of closely related species could mate with each other, which in our case, we have tigers and lions. As Inu had mentioned earlier, tigon males tend to be infertile, so breeding experiments aren’t practical. Sure, we’ve got this DNA technology nowadays, but there may still be difficulties in determining whether tigons and ligers are an entirely new species, or if they’re just simply hybrids.
- January 3, 2005 at 1:35 am #18963
Thanks for the information but i really don’t understand how hybrids don’t have a genus and species name if they are creatures? Please explain
- January 5, 2005 at 6:06 am #19000
My apologies for the ranting, Inu. I wasn’t refering to your question. Hybrid plants have genus species names, I don’t see why hybrid cats have no genus species.
Site about taxonomy:
There’s a forum with a topic similar to yours, Inu. Even though there are quite a few joking around with the issue, it might be quite useful to you- esp towards the middle of the page.
http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2003/ … _oh_my.php
- January 5, 2005 at 5:45 pm #19005
This could go on just about forever
- January 20, 2005 at 2:36 am #19063
Hybrids are ignored too much. Webster doesn’t have ligers, tigons, and many other hybrids defined. I have no idea why not. Maybe because it messes up the definitio of speciation
- February 7, 2005 at 1:19 pm #19407novastar_Participant
I feel that Tigons are rarer as i’ve never seen a tigon….. I have only seen ligers b4…… in korea….
- February 27, 2005 at 7:56 pm #19917
Tigons are extremely rare. ONLY one still exists and now many coutnries have begun banning hybrids. The chance of still be able to see one is almost nonexistentant and soon will be nonexistent under the law. You saw a liger be contnet. LOL,
- March 2, 2005 at 3:07 pm #19973
The only tigon is privately owned so nobody but the owner has seen him. Yet…. I’m trying to go and viist this tigon. I’ll send pictures if i do.
- March 7, 2005 at 1:00 am #20138
An intersting change in cheetahs is occuring. Cheetahs are bottle necked so their genetic diversity is very low. But they are reapidly evolving new genes. Is this true. Could anyone give me more information.
- March 10, 2005 at 5:51 pm #20313
I really need some help on this subject
- April 2, 2005 at 2:48 pm #21024
Inu, edit your posts if you wanna type more. Posting 4 posts continuously just takes up space. Good stuff with what’s going on around here by the way.
- April 3, 2005 at 3:32 am #21033
ANd ur posts seem just to mock mine. I mean really if you want to post should you at least put some useful information rather than slander mine. LOL Just joining but seriously ur posts are just as long as mine. At least the new one u just posted
- April 7, 2005 at 6:21 pm #21163PoisonParticipant
Hey guys please don’t argue. 🙄
- April 11, 2005 at 8:41 pm #21316BlehParticipant
just for who was wondering what one looks like- this is a tigon
Also i honestly think that more that one ti-togon has been born, just not alive… or died while still young.
- April 17, 2005 at 9:12 pm #21452
but a tigon doesn’t count until it survives the first few months…
- May 7, 2005 at 7:58 am #22212
Ok, I’m new to this biology stuff, but I know enough to be curious about this. I know dogs can mate between other types of dogs, but they’re not different species. I mean lions and tigers are of a completely diffferent species. Dogs are dogs, they’re all the same species. But different species’ cant mate to create fertile offspring, so even if a liger got together with a tiger, they wouldn’t be able to mate because the liger would be sterile, wouldn’t it?? ❓
- May 8, 2005 at 12:06 pm #22232
no. female ligers are actually 95% fertile. Male ligers whoever are all sterile. A female liger can mate with another male lion or tiger creating a li-liger and a ti-liger. Same applies to female tigons.
- May 8, 2005 at 7:53 pm #22266
Oh. Well i guess i’ll need to look into that deeper. It still doesn’t make sense to me, but you’re probably right. Thanks for the help.
- May 9, 2005 at 7:09 pm #22283
No it depends on the shape of the sperm which results in inferitle. Female eggs howeever are the same shape.
- May 9, 2005 at 11:39 pm #22288
Oh, so how does the sperm change shape?, are the tiger and lion sperm different shapes?
- May 10, 2005 at 9:57 pm #22349
When I mean the shape changes I mean the shape of the proteins that activate fertilization. If you were to look at tiger and lion sperm their proteins would be differnt. Albeit not to different, i think. I’ll get back on this.
- November 8, 2006 at 3:46 pm #58587DragonzrocParticipant
Urm…arnt they the same thing???
Ok Tigions probably are more rare but how can u tell if ones a tigion and one is a liger???
- November 9, 2006 at 1:48 pm #58686sachinParticipant
Are liger hybrids, really????
- November 11, 2006 at 12:09 am #58824KaelaParticipant
That is a good question their! 😀
- November 19, 2007 at 5:33 pm #78046jesperbaitianlongParticipant
They should call the zebra-horse hybrid a zehorse 😀
- November 19, 2007 at 5:35 pm #78047baitianlongParticipant
Just kidding ofcourse…
- December 6, 2007 at 2:47 pm #79049mcarParticipant
I didnt vote as I did in some voting polls.
Both will be rare if we exploit them. Balancing nature–and its components will maintain such.
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