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    • #6668
      Bugz
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      smelly but cute~~

      Gymnopleurus mopsus


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    • #64471
      sachin
      Participant

      Ya, its me……….

    • #64473
      jimmystang
      Participant

      i don’t know, i’ve some sort of insect-phobia

    • #64484
      Oscerot
      Participant

      I remember I was on this hike and a random beetle flew on my pants. I started running around and smacking myself.

      😆

    • #64486
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Who wouldn’t like a dung beetle? Is that you in the picture?

    • #64487
      sachin
      Participant

      I was………afraid of that.

      before I took admision into Masters degree in Entomology(Insect study) 😆

    • #64489
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I would love to have a degree in Entomology, what do you do with it? (This might be worded funny)

    • #64490
      sachin
      Participant

      Lot more than with mammals 😆

    • #64516
      Bugz
      Participant

      Yeah, that’s me in the pic(I mean the hand…).

      Thank u for replying my topic guys.This is my ist topic here.

      Relax,jimmystang.Dung beetles wont bite you,they are benign.

      And Mr.Sachin@biog, I’m wondering that are you major in Entomology?

    • #64517
      Bugz
      Participant

      And I even got a tiny one~~ 😆 3mm~~


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    • #64564
      February Beetle
      Participant

      So cute, where did you get them? Do you breed them? Tell us about them! (please :))

    • #64568
      Bugz
      Participant

      Ok,no problemo.

      I got these dung beetles under cattle dropping(or horse),80% speices in my town are "tunnelers", others are "rollers"(Pic1 is a roller, pic2 is a tunnelers).In fact, most dung beetles like "human dropping" best, but it’s really hard to find one.

      I never breed them, what can I feed them?I can’t bring their "food" home 😆 …Maybe I can try it this summer.

      Anyway, I like them.They’re cute, funny, and kindly. And in my opinion, dung beetles symbolize the cycle & renascence ~~

    • #65657
      nugget
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      And I even got a tiny one~~ 😆 3mm~~

      wooooow what a cool photo

      and yes i loveee bugs i love invertebrates!! they are soo amazing dont you think =)

    • #65672
      Bugz
      Participant

      hehe….I love bugs too, and that’s where I got my name from.

      You know nugg, Chinese dung beetles were sent to Australia in 1970s, to solve the "cattle dropping problem" in pastures.

    • #65674
      nugget
      Participant

      Oh really? and did that cause another imbalance in our ecosystems like most introduced species here? lol

      why do u like dung beetles the most Bugz?

    • #65675
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey bugz I want to ask you something:

      Bugs are Hemipteran and Beetles are coleopteran…Then how come you like bittles? These are not Bugs…….lol

    • #65722
      Bugz
      Participant

      Ah 😯 ….so many questions. Man ,you know my english is weak….I dont know if I could explain that exactly….Anyway, I’ll try… 😆

      Well..Hmmm..

      Above all, I had been enjoying insects since I was a little kid. I like dung beetles & burying beetles because they looks cute, and their life is really mystic, It make me wanna explore it. Furthermore, their shape is really cool. And you know these carrion animals were always misapprehended as evil creatures by people. In fact they are beneficial & meek. So I have a firm determination to change their situation, this determination impulses me keep on exploring and loving them.

      I think they didn’t cause imbalance in your ecosystems. Because your cattles and sheep are introduced species too. You know there are no cattles and sheep in ancient Austrila , they were all brought by Europeen colonist. And Austrilan aboriginal dung beetles only eat the kangaroo & koala’s dropping. So nobody and nobug dealed with the cattle dropping, finally there were dropping everywhere, the flies was rapidly increased, and brought terrible disease, it was the "pasture problem" which I said. In 1970s ,Australian goverment introduce foreign dung beetles(which eat cattle dropping) into Austrila . Then, the pastures were cleaned. However, as far as I know, only the African species multiplied successfully. So the introduced species sovled the introduced species’ problem. 😆

      Sachin, the "bugs" which I said is the appellation of insects & spiders in America, they always call incets "bugs", right? But "bugs" also means Hemipteran in America….And I think "bugs" in British english only means Hemipteran , the stinky bugs.I like both Hemipteran & Coleopteran. The Coleopteran is my favourite:lol: .

      Well, that’s all. I think I made many grammer mistakes, or used some words in the wrong way 😳 . I said my english is weak. I have tried my best. I hope you can understand what I posted. Forgive my limited english, fellows. 😆 😀

    • #65731
      sachin
      Participant

      Im agree with you……..

      You know Im an entomologist… So i have affection with all this….

      And I will continue to call you "Bugz"… Dear..

    • #65737
      Bugz
      Participant

      Oh my god, you are a real entomologist!! Cool !! And It’s so funny that I expained the meaning of "bugs" to you 😆

      You know I want to be a entomologist too. But i don’t know if i could. My undergraduate major is not entomology, I dont know if I could aplly entomology(or something similar) for Master Degree, I m applying the university of Aberdeen now….I gonna take the IELTS this weekend….

      So whats your field Sachin?

      (By the way, A english teacher of mine is an Indian too, 😀 his name is Kiran.)

    • #65783
      nugget
      Participant

      Thanks Bugz that was a great answer 🙂

    • #65807
      sachin
      Participant

      Bugz you can choose Entomology for MS.

      I ve grduated in General Zoology and then I m studying Masters in Entomology in Mumbai Universiy…..

    • #65878
      Bugz
      Participant

      hmm…you know my major in undergraduate school is biology engineering, it’s different from biology or zoology. I dont know if I could span to the field of entomology for MS.

    • #65958
      Bugz
      Participant

      Namaste, Sachin 😛 😀 😆

    • #65968
      rahulkhot
      Participant

      it is good to watch people taking interest in INSECTS the most successful creatures,survived from the age of dinosour and will survive after the extermination of human race.

    • #65970
      rahulkhot
      Participant

      and about beetles they are the most sturdiest of all

    • #65971
      Bugz
      Participant

      Yes man you’re right.

    • #65973
      rahulkhot
      Participant

      hi bugz how r u doing

    • #65990
      Bugz
      Participant

      Fine thankx, how r u. Nice to meet u rahulk.

    • #66022
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Namaste, Sachin 😛 😀 😆

      Hey…….. nice….. You know Hindi….? 😛

      "Ni hao", Bugz 😮

      Wo-duh ming-d’zih Sachin.. 😛

    • #66034
      Locus
      Participant

      Bugz!!! I sow here beetls that seems quate similar to yours on the foto!!! And there is (seems to me) in my privite collection.
      I think about my master degree now, but at the Israel it is at the entomology is almost (if not at all) impossible. Also, insect are very good objects for evotionary studies! (Where I very intrested)
      This beetle from scarabeidae? (I ask, but I, unlike most of people that intrested in insects, not intrested at the names of them)
      Oh yes, jast sow this at the google…
      What is ni haw and Namaste I don’t know 😳

    • #66037
      sachin
      Participant

      "Ni hao" is "Hello" in chinese and "Namaste" is "hello" in Hindi……

    • #66039
      sachin
      Participant

      You are doiong well Locus. No matter your country do not have Entomology spe. but you can keep it for later studies after doing your Masters in Evolutionary biology……..

    • #66075
      Locus
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      “Ni hao” is “Hello” in chinese and “Namaste” is “hello” in Hindi……

      Thanks.
      About insects I think that there are brilliat groupe for evolution becouse there are many close spesies, almost all insect (exept from locusts) contein relative small amount of DNA, and many insect give rapit generation (of couse there are many exeptions), and, of couse, becouse they are small, this is possible to keep population of them at the one laboratory. (By the way, artifical population this is topik that I have find here for the master work – with drosophyla, but now I am in doube if this lab take me, and if this expirement will work, so I don’t know what will be, and there is no athere place for evolutionary biology 🙁 )

      quote Bugz:

      And I even got a tiny one~~ 😆 3mm~~

      Buqz, beetl that on the picture is seems to me from famile Histeridae but also them feeding on dung.

    • #66303
      Bugz
      Participant

      Hi Locus! Nice to see you! We got more asian friends here, that’s nice! I m very glad that you like insects too.

      Locus you know entomology is also no future in China. I plan to go abroad.

      Yeah, this two beetles
      are both scarabeidae. Anyway, I like to know the scientific name of all the insects which I see, the insect classifaction is a hobby of mine(but not professional)….

      Israel has a famous dung beetle species which is Scarabaeus sacer. This is my favourite species ,but they don’t exist in China.

    • #66305
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      quote Bugz:

      Namaste, Sachin 😛 😀 😆

      Hey…….. nice….. You know Hindi….? 😛

      “Ni hao”, Bugz 😮

      Wo-duh ming-d’zih Sachin.. 😛

      Ni hao, Sachin. That’s the only Hindi which I know, I learned it yesterday 😛 .

      I dont know this:Wo-duh ming-d’zih 😯

    • #66315
      Bugz
      Participant

      Oh, I think I got it…

      You meant "my name is Sachin", huh?

    • #66320
      Locus
      Participant

      Ni hao, Bugz!

      quote Bugz:

      Israel has a famous dung beetle species which is Scarabaeus sacer. This is my favourite species ,but they don’t exist in China.

      Oh, yes, I sow this beetle and has in my collection!
      I was intrested at classification once but eith time it become weeky – I sow that within the clssification there is too many systems is possible and no one is complete – becouse it’s depend on features that taken into account. I don’t want to say that classification it is fiction – it’s no becouse features can not be taken without reasone, but there is huge field for speculation. Molecular systematics is also have quate seriose problems (neutral or not neutral substitutions). There complex approach is needed. And categories like families or genera is deeply subjective – why, for example, drosohpyla is only genera, and bulls is subfamile? I think that only becouse thre is more people that work with systemathy of bulls…
      Names of species… sometims when I look on the quantety of specicies within some groups (espessialy insects) it seems to me that many of them is not true species 😕 (What is true spesies it is big and intriguing question and was disscused a lot at the internet about this, but also…)
      P. S. I think to about master degree abroad, but now apart from bakalur degree from Technion I have nothing (and my head of couse… 😀 ) and so don’t know how it is possible…

    • #66346
      Bugz
      Participant

      Locus I m worried about the master degree too, I can’t decide which school I should apply, and I dont know which British school have entomology. Where do you plan to go?

      I dont know what you major is in your undergraduate school, but I believe you know much more about insects than me. You’re doing well Locus, I’m serious.

    • #66350
      Bugz
      Participant

      You have Scarabaeus sacer in your collcetion? So lucky you! I hope that I could visit Israel and see the real Scarabaeus sacer…..I saw them only on pictures….

      But Beijing has a species which is similar to Scarabaeus sacer, it’s called Scarabaeus typhon. They maybe a bit smaller than sacer.

    • #66351
      Bugz
      Participant

      This is a Scarabaeus typhon of my collection…They look the same huh?


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    • #66360
      Locus
      Participant

      Yes, it seems rather similar to Scarabeos sacer. My be those beetls can to mate? 😉
      At the undegraduate studies I was learn almost no entomology, and evolution (one tiny course from each field 🙁 that give me approximately zero in thos thinks), so everythink that I know on this fields is from books and internet (includ forums 😀 ) – here (Technion) is no specialisation on the first degree at biology, only molecular direction. Molecular it is very good, modern and very usefull, but it is not all (I wrout this about systemasy)! Behind the trees forest must be seen.
      Now I was almost completly lost hope to do mster on entomology, but not lost to do it on evolution, realy for me now intresting fields like evolution, development and ecology, and different groups (like favorite – insects) intresting for me as far as it is good object, or general part (like at the ecology), or have intresting characteristic (like insect eggs formation). For example – genes like a hox within Arthropoda undergo serieos evolution, and within insects too, or segmentation – is strongly evolved betveen level of thysanura and beetls or hemenoptera. So I prefer do my master work on similar subject.
      Until now I have find three plases:
      Edinburg: http://web.bio.ed.ac.uk/research/institutes/evolution/
      Crete: http://www.imbb.forth.gr/groups/developmental.html
      and Kanada: http://www.biology.ualberta.ca/
      Crete is seems to me good, but I don’t know grees 😀
      I was seach plases at the Chine to, but I can not open university pages… why???
      P. S. Bugz, Beijing = Pekin? (information from google)

    • #66367
      Bugz
      Participant

      Cool & nice website Locus , you really did a good job…

      Sure Beijng=Pekin. But I dont know why you couldn’t open our university’s pages. Anyway, Which school do you wanna know about in China? Maybe I could help you.

    • #66369
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey Bugz nice pic………..

      You can try here in India for your masters in Entomology………… here are two scopes…. Agricultural Entomology and medical Entomology…. Else you can also go for plane Entomology and find you way to Wild life Studies….

      Hey Locus;
      Just buy any field guid for entomology and start classifying insects you get…

    • #66384
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Anyway, Which school do you wanna know about in China? Maybe I could help you.

      For example:
      en.hit.edu.cn/
      en.pku.edu.cn/
      http://www.shu.edu.cn/en/indexEn.htm
      http://www.tjut.edu.cn/eng_web/academics/content/3.html
      life.fudan.edu.cn/english/
      And many otheres that I can not find now… So I don’t know what learned inside of them??? Only Hong Kong open 🙂
      sachin – wild studies on entomology this is like mapping areals, diversity and others?

    • #66439
      Bugz
      Participant

      Locus, I dont know why, but I could open them all.

    • #66442
      Bugz
      Participant

      yeah, good idea Sachin, I ll think about it.

    • #66443
      Bugz
      Participant

      And Sachin, I m wondering what your field is? I mean…what are you researching about insects now?

    • #66462
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      And Sachin, I m wondering what your field is? I mean…what are you researching about insects now?

      I m in Plain Entomology….. Combined with Biotechnology. 🙂

      Plain entomology is—– General + medical + agricultural Entomology. 😮

      I m reaserching on moths and Bettles……. 😮

      I ve started with moths but yet to start beetle studies……. I m waiting for my new camera… 😉

    • #66481
      Bugz
      Participant

      wow, sounds cool. I like anything about beetles.

      Ummm….I also like moth. But I scare of their larva….I almostly never touch them. The Status is I always feel dizzy and sweat when I touch them. I dont know why. Sometimes I think this must be a punishment from God, because I enjoyed crushing worms with outher kids when I was 3 or 4 years old (I was so young & stupid that time) 🙁 . Now the terrible feeling must be the atonement for my evil deeds.

    • #66494
      sachin
      Participant

      No not that………..

      You just ve larvophobia……….

      Good knoeledge of them will help you….

      I was scared of them too… but now they are my friends…

    • #66504
      Locus
      Participant

      Bugz – larva can be dangeros, espessially larva with "hear"…
      And link – it s links that google give fisrt for Fudan, Peking, Shanshai and Harbin universitys, so China seems to me mysterious like for europians at the middle eges… 😀
      sachin – what topicks there are at the entomology&biotechnology

    • #66527
      Bugz
      Participant

      Locus I m searching the english page of Beijing Agriculture University now, I ‘ll copy it here if I could find it .Its entomology in master is the best in Chinese universities.

      Sachin I think I need some counseling for the phobia…. 😛

    • #66554
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Locus I m searching the english page of Beijing Agriculture University now, I ‘ll copy it here if I could find it .Its entomology in master is the best in Chinese universities.

      Oh, please – all links related to uducation on Beijing is "This page cannot be dispayed" 🙁 on my computer. Ufff-f-f-f…
      (And within Hong Kong (that open) I have find only medical biology…)

      quote Bugz:

      Sachin I think I need some counseling for the phobia…. 😛

      And for me larva is very pretty for touching 😀 (without "hear" of couse)

    • #66559
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Locus:

      sachin – what topicks there are at the entomology&biotechnology

      Plain entomology is—– General + medical + agricultural Entomology.

      Biotechnology……. Genetics+BioInfirmatics+Agriculture+Cell Culture+Plasmid Studies+Waste treatment+Human Genetics..

    • #66561
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Sachin I think I need some counseling for the phobia…. 😛

      Ofcourse…….. 😛 Im ready…. 🙂

    • #66573
      Locus
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      quote Locus:

      sachin – what topicks there are at the entomology&biotechnology

      Plain entomology is—– General + medical + agricultural Entomology.

      Biotechnology……. Genetics+BioInfirmatics+Agriculture+Cell Culture+Plasmid Studies+Waste treatment+Human Genetics..

      and all this thinks you do on the insects? Include Human genetic? 8)
      are you do transgenic insects? ❓ (Bakulovirus?)

    • #66623
      Bugz
      Participant

      try this Locus: http://www.cau.edu.cn/cie/en/

      ummmm…..and Locus you enjoy touching worms…

    • #66624
      Bugz
      Participant

      By th way,I don’t scare the grubs or the larva of longhorn beetle, though they are fat and soft….

      I scare the worms which always shrink their head in to their bodies, and have many short legs even no legs….such as maggots and larva of moth. butterfly and weevil…..

    • #66684
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Also… 😥 "This Page can not be displayd"

      quote Bugz:

      ummmm…..and Locus you enjoy touching worms…

      Oh, I am not touching them for "enjoing" of couse, but is seems to me quate pretty 😀
      Bugz, for you counseling for the phobia I find biutyfull pictures of the larva!
      There is to many fotos (neary 20), so I must give link:
      http://molbiol.ru/forums/index.php?showtopic=118634
      (sorry for russian, but there is latin names for some of them)

    • #66688
      Bugz
      Participant

      uh…damn it…….I m so sorry about that Locus:( , maybe some Chinese pages couldn’t be displayed at your place…

      Thank you for the links 😀 ,I feel better now, I gonna try to sleep with worms tonight…

    • #66713
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Locus:

      and all this thinks you do on the insects? Include Human genetic? 8)
      are you do transgenic insects? ❓ (Bakulovirus?)

      No thats just sub topic………. Included for just to have familiar with… 😉

    • #66714
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey Bugz and Locus try this:

      http://bugguide.net/node/view/15740

    • #66717
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      uh…damn it…….I m so sorry about that Locus:( , maybe some Chinese pages couldn’t be displayed at your place…

      I think that this is problem… Yestergay I will try another computer – from university.

      quote Bugz:

      Thank you for the links 😀 ,I feel better now, I gonna try to sleep with worms tonight…

      Why you call larva "worms"? 🙄
      sachin – cool site!!!

    • #66776
      Bugz
      Participant

      Yeah locus, try another computer….and I think "larva" is so professional.

      😯 😯 😯 Th..th..than..thank you so mush sachin! That’s what I m looking for!

    • #66777
      Bugz
      Participant

      the name "Bugz" have already been taken in that forum 😯

    • #66850
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Yeah locus, try another computer….and I think “larva” is so professional.

      Yes, from computer farm it’s open… so, I realy don’t know why it’s open from farm and not open from from my privite computer…
      Larva? So proffesional? Oh, find in vocablory that "worm" is also used, but in biologycal content worm and larva is completely different thinks. 😉

    • #66858
      Bugz
      Participant

      oh yeah? I didn’t know ’bout this.OK, I’ll call them "larva". 😆

    • #66877
      sachin
      Participant

      ya; the term "Worm" is mainly related with platyhelminth and annelids….

      "Larva" is unique to arthropod…

      Then also the term worm is used frequently for arthropods..

    • #66951
      Locus
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      “Larva” is unique to arthropod…

      And Mollusca or Annelida? I was think that this is term for all non-adalt stages that have different morphology than adults…
      really, what is "worn" exctly at the biology quate difficult to difine. (And no needed 😀 )

    • #66959
      MrMistery
      Participant

      yeah, i agree, tunicates have larvae…

    • #66985
      Bugz
      Participant

      😯 platyhelminth and annelids….and also ascarid? they always make me sick to my stomack when I see them, except earthworms…

      Thank u guys for the explaination, I thought I should say "larva" when I was just talking bout the "adult". because "larva" means "the young adult" in chinese 😆 .

    • #67050
      Locus
      Participant

      Plathelmites? Oh, some of them very beutiful, and anneleds too, espetially marine polychaetes.

    • #67057
      sachin
      Participant

      Yes; locus…

      And "worm"; I dont know where it came from…
      But I can say you that…. worm is related to metamericaly segmented organisms…

    • #67071
      Locus
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      And “worm”; I dont know where it came from…
      But I can say you that…. worm is related to metamericaly segmented organisms…

      But Plathelmites are not really methamericaly segmented (only nervos system…) and rotiferas is segmented but not methamericaly… and nematods not segmented and not methamericaly… This term come from Lineus that divided all animals to six klasses: mammals, birds, amphibias, fishes, insects and worms. Now it is seems very confusing, but… term "worm" is also exist (and used at the biologycal literature!). It seems to me that by this term caled animals that have alongated body without limbs and head.

    • #67184
      sachin
      Participant

      Can you tell which worm is this……… I ve click this backyard of college..


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    • #67185
      Bugz
      Participant

      😯 ahhhh….monster…..

      Whats that? leech? platyhelminth?

    • #67196
      Bugz
      Participant

      Ecology of your college must be good 🙂

    • #67200
      rahulkhot
      Participant

      i’ll b very happy to help u in d task of ento.

    • #67227
      sachin
      Participant

      I think Its an annelid…. It was of earth worm size…By the way I will tell you this college has got nice surounding as it is Agricultural college…. Its not my college. I just added referance….

    • #67230
      Locus
      Participant

      Sashin, I don’t now what is it exctly, but I almost shure that this worm is Plathelmintes, klass Planaria. It was flat, at least slightly?

    • #67232
      sachin
      Participant

      It was slender but not flat… rather wrinkled at some places and spherical..

    • #67233
      sachin
      Participant

      its not Trematod… You can say ascaries like…

      It is an "Arrow Head Worm"……. Planarium…

      http://www.whatsthatbug.com/worms.html

    • #67235
      Locus
      Participant

      Hm… if not flat I am in doudt… but it is not seems like any ather worm and if it is realy slender it can be also flatworm… May be that this is one of the predator nematode. But for this somethik like jaws must be on the head and at the foto thre is no signs for this (At least I not see)
      I can drop this foto to molbiol for "real" zoologist from this site.

    • #67236
      sachin
      Participant

      See I have posted above……..

    • #67588
      Bugz
      Participant

      The answer is YES

      I dont know much about groud beetles, I had been opining all of them can just creep until this green little buddy flew in to my house one day. And he flew speedily… He gas attacked me when I caught him, it smell like ****.

      His name is Chleanius micans.


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    • #67602
      sachin
      Participant

      It looks like borer….

    • #67603
      Bugz
      Participant

      borer? you mean the longhorn beetle?

    • #67605
      Bugz
      Participant

      what about the new name of this forum? is it so rude?

    • #67606
      Locus
      Participant

      Longhorn? Why? There is some athere families of beetls that feed on trees tranks.

    • #67608
      Bugz
      Participant

      Yeah, the" borer "could be any kind of wood-eating insect…The longhorned beelte’s larva is called "trees destroyer" in china 🙂

    • #67613
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Yeah, the” borer “could be any kind of wood-eating insect…The longhorned beelte’s larva is called “trees destroyer” in china 🙂

      Uff-f-f-f! It is very strong name! but beetle from your pic not seems longhorn beetle – he has eyes not tipicaly for this family – it’s not lake a sickle near the base of antenna.

    • #67614
      Bugz
      Participant

      yeah…it’s a groud beelte,

      Latin name is Chleanius micans

      and Locus you watched so carefully…

    • #67621
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      and Locus you watched so carefully…

      Of couse: it’s insect 😀

    • #67623
      sachin
      Participant

      See this is one Amazing moth that I ve clicked………


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    • #67625
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey Bugz nice name………. It looks attacking too… I like that……… 🙂

    • #67639
      Locus
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      See this is one Amazing moth that I ve clicked………

      What is the "hammer" at the head of this moth.

    • #67642
      Bugz
      Participant

      haha, I think it’s not a hammer, it’s just its legs..

    • #67644
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      Hey Bugz nice name………. It looks attacking too… I like that……… 🙂

      really? thx. And is it ok? will it offend any people here?

    • #67646
      sachin
      Participant

      No it wont ofend….. rather it maintains Topics Unique ness………. I really liked that….. unless any body hijacked it cannot go in off topic…. 🙂

    • #67783
      Bugz
      Participant

      ok…

      and whats that moth?you know its latin name?

    • #67799
      sachin
      Participant

      No it is still to get identified………… 😀

    • #67804
      Locus
      Participant

      And from what family this meth?

    • #67812
      Linn
      Participant

      I have only taken one entomology class but I really enjoyed it.
      It got a bit gross at times too 😆

    • #67829
      sachin
      Participant

      Moth may be from Geometridae….

    • #67943
      Bugz
      Participant

      Their larva can camouflage branch?

    • #67944
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Their larva can camouflage branch?

      Dont know… 😳

    • #67947
      Locus
      Participant

      Sachin, if you allw to me, I can drop this foto to entomological forum of molbiol.ru mey there it will be identified.

    • #67953
      sachin
      Participant
      quote Locus:

      Sachin, if you allw to me, I can drop this foto to entomological forum of molbiol.ru mey there it will be identified.

      Why not…. 😮 ….. You can… 😛 Go ahead… 🙂

    • #67959
      Locus
      Participant

      All right… thanks.

    • #67981
      Bugz
      Participant

      I gonna upload some pics after I finished my work….so busy now…

    • #67991
      sachin
      Participant

      I m going to visit my research site on thursday….

      Im so happy… 😀

    • #68033
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote sachin_at_biog:

      I m going to visit my research site on thursday….

      Im so happy… 😀

      cool,man~

      I got no place to visit now…. 🙁

      This is my jealousy: 😈

      😆 😆 😆 😆

    • #68037
      sachin
      Participant

      Jealousy……… you are showing good signs for future…. 😉

    • #68047
      Bugz
      Participant

      hehe, I m kidding~ 😆

      thx~~

      good luck for Thursday~

    • #68095
      sachin
      Participant

      Its Friday now……. hehe….

      Hey dont think that you are kinding…. Be some jalouce so that you will motivate your self towards your goal…. 🙂

    • #68173
      Bugz
      Participant

      Hi..sachin, how is today?

    • #68184
      Locus
      Participant

      Today here friday – Shabat begining at the aftenoon, so nobody working today…
      (And at the China and Idia sunday is weeky holyday or somethink else?..)
      P. S. Bugz, my appologies for ansvering instead of Sachin. 🙂

    • #68185
      Locus
      Participant

      Oh, exuese me, today Indepedence day at the India, I almost forgot, nevetheless I sow parade by TV…
      My appologies.

    • #68187
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote Locus:

      Today here friday – Shabat begining at the aftenoon, so nobody working today…
      (And at the China and Idia sunday is weeky holyday or somethink else?..)
      P. S. Bugz, my appologies for ansvering instead of Sachin. 🙂

      it’s OK~ 🙂

      hmm….we just dont work in saturday and sunday~

      and What is Shabat?

    • #68188
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      and What is Shabat?

      Shabat this weeky holyday, this is seventh day at the weak, by tradition, god not worked at this day when he has created the world 😀 so, jews also not work… Becose when bible was wroute thre is only one clock – the Sun, Shabat begine at the sun set at friday, and finish at saturday. but now becous human activity is shifted by the civilisation to the night, sunset full not really at the end of the day, and shabat become to cover two days – friday and saturday.
      Bugz, And what about insects at this topik?
      Are you know that dung beetles have parental care, and sometimes it’s done by two sexes? Now I looking for the detailed information for this – family evolution was allways very intresting for me.

    • #68414
      Bugz
      Participant

      Hi,Locus, I ve been busy for couple weeks, and now the work is over~~I m back~~

      where is sachin?

    • #68429
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey im back…. I had Told U that I was going to visit my research site on thursday and I back today……

      We have an amazing Hopper….. Aquatic, flying, terrestrial hopper…. we have started studying it….. but its amazing…. we havent found any referance till….

    • #68485
      Locus
      Participant

      Hi, Bugz and Sachin!
      I am here to!
      Aquatic Hopper – who is this?

    • #68536
      sachin
      Participant

      Its a aquatic grass hopper(looks much alike)…. or may be cricket(not sure if modification)…….

    • #68553
      Locus
      Participant

      Are you have foto of this organism? I am reallly intrested how it’s look.

    • #68585
      sachin
      Participant

      Locus … wait for few days…. My friend have clicked that in his camera I would get it from him… I had not carried mine that time..

    • #68630
      Bugz
      Participant

      hi hi hi, long time no see. My PC was broken, now it’s OK. I m back~~

      I m waiting for the pics~~~

    • #68640
      Locus
      Participant

      I wanted to answer to Sachin "OK. Thanks" but this is too shot post and I have not sent the messege 😳
      and on molbiol entomogists so far have not identified the butterfly that Sachin posted… 😕

    • #68689
      Bugz
      Participant

      sachin~~sachin~~~where r u~?

    • #68887
      arian
      Participant

      This insect is taken in a rainy day on this yellow flower. IT belongs to Coleoptera and the flower to family Composite

      Can you find the names please of the insect and the flower too.

      Thank you


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    • #68894
      Locus
      Participant

      arian – insect on the foto hardly recognisible, and I in doub that it can be identified…
      P. S. And Sashin disappear

    • #68916
      arian
      Participant

      thank you locus for your answer. What about the flower? Can you identify it?
      Is any one else who can help me on this photo?

    • #68921
      Locus
      Participant
      quote arian:

      thank you locus for your answer. What about the flower? Can you identify it?

      No, I am sorry – I am quate far from plants 😕

      quote arian:

      Is any one else who can help me on this photo?

      I think that Sachin can… but he have not here a lot of time…

    • #68923
      sachin
      Participant

      Hi guys…. Sorry ..Im late…

      But there was absolute busy hours going for me… from few days… as there was marriage of my elder brother in my house …. I missed you lot but I was unable to log in…..

      bugz your pic looks like Wasp…. to me… wait a moment…

    • #68924
      sachin
      Participant
    • #68932
      Bugz
      Participant

      miss you guys, me busy too. I got no time to visit here ….

      ummm, tiger beetle, swift, hard to get~

    • #68962
      arian
      Participant

      this is the other photo of the insect and flower.


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    • #68963
      Bugz
      Participant

      well it’s a longed horned beetle…

    • #68965
      Bugz
      Participant

      sorry, i mean longhorned beetle…..

      it belongs Cerambycidae-Lepturinaem, I think.

      and where r u from?

    • #69010
      sachin
      Participant

      I think I have shown same…

    • #69012
      arian
      Participant

      I am from Durres Albania.

    • #69048
      sachin
      Participant

      Arian, are you interested in Bugs too…. 😉

    • #69059
      Locus
      Participant
      quote arian:

      this is the other photo of the insect and flower.

      Such beetls exist here to.

    • #69066
      Bugz
      Participant

      in china we call it "flower-longhorned beetle".its a sub-family of longhorned beetle~

    • #69116
      Locus
      Participant

      When here spring will come and grass will be high and flowring (on the shot term…) it will be many long-horned beetls at the floweres.

    • #69148
      arian
      Participant

      I am interested in insects and wild life. But to study more I am interested on Marine Biology, becasue I live on a town of Durres located to Adriatc Coast. There are spots on the local coast when you can stay for hours to study it.

      Can any one tell me where can I find some free books about Paleontology subject, Please

      Thank you

    • #69160
      sachin
      Participant

      Are all long horn beetles "Borers"??

    • #69179
      Bugz
      Participant

      yeah,yeah, their larva are all borers~~:)


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    • #69193
      Bugz
      Participant

      nymph of a lanternfly

      picture by Bugz~~


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    • #69195
      arian
      Participant

      long noise to Coleoptera

    • #69209
      sachin
      Participant

      lanternfly looks like Wiveel……. 😉

    • #69616
      Bugz
      Participant

      Guys, Bugz will be back…soon.

    • #69646
      Locus
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      Guys, Bugz will be back…soon.

      When? 🙂
      Are you have new fotos of insects?

    • #69800
      sachin
      Participant

      Going with my Entomology final year exam….. I ll be back after 11 april…..

    • #69818
      arian
      Participant

      Can anyone help me with the Identification manual on diffrent ORders of insects.
      thank you

    • #69823
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote arian:

      Can anyone help me with the Identification manual on diffrent ORders of insects.
      thank you

      I know some book for insects identification, but they’re all chinese 😕 ~~

    • #69824
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote Locus:

      quote Bugz:

      Guys, Bugz will be back…soon.

      When? 🙂
      Are you have new fotos of insects?

      I ‘ll be back after April 21th~

    • #69825
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote sachin:

      Going with my Entomology final year exam….. I ll be back after 11 april…..

      fighting~fighting~good luck~

    • #69936
      arian
      Participant

      I can send all the photos of insects that i have in my collection

    • #70001
      deli79
      Participant

      I used to play with those kind of bettle when i was 6 or 7 some province in the Philippines. At least I think its the same kind.

    • #70002
      deli79
      Participant

      Is it the same kind?…

    • #70163
      Locus
      Participant

      Wich kind?
      and were fotos? 😉
      I find after one disscution at the another forum intresting think about some scarabes species and now I really don’t know what difference betwen species like
      Scarabaeus typhon
      Scarabaeus sacer
      Scarabaeus babori
      It seems to me identical now. More than this – I now at the dout what beetle at my own collection…

    • #70621
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I like this picture 🙂

    • #71039
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote February Beetle:

      I like this picture 🙂

      nice beetle……. 🙂

    • #71052
      Locus
      Participant

      O! Bugz, are you here?! Nice to see (really read…) you!!! How are you?
      Beetle on the foto seems to me quate tiny one…

    • #71065
      arian
      Participant

      this is Cerambyx credo (probably). But is not so clear in details. or must be Aromia moschata

    • #71066
      arian
      Participant

      this is Cerambyx credo (probably). But is not so clear in details. or must be Aromia moschata

    • #71088
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote Locus:

      O! Bugz, are you here?! Nice to see (really read…) you!!! How are you?
      Beetle on the foto seems to me quate tiny one…

      Hey Locus, nice to see you~~~ 😀

      I ve just been busy these months, I m preparing for IELTS. I ll be back soon~~~ 😆

    • #71090
      Locus
      Participant

      Good luck at the exam!

    • #71439
      February Beetle
      Participant



      Sorry I don’t have a better close up of ’em 🙂
      Isn’t he cute?! Does he look like a dung beetle? I think so! I am to tired to identify to closely tonight but I looked in my book and I think it is a definite scarab. I totally thought of this thread when I saw him tonight! WHAT A CUTIE!
      I also heard my first whipper-wheel of the year tonight 🙂 What a nice night in Kansas!

    • #71442
      orbit
      Participant

      Ok, so this is slightly off the subject but as we are talking about insects (and peoples views on them) I thought I’d bring it up. Why is it, that a lot of animal rights activists only seem interested in protecting the rights of animals that are cute and furry or on occasion animals that are cute and feathery? Not too many of them seem concerned with reptiles and amphibians, and even less of them seem concerned with the rights of invertebrates. Is this not hypocritical? Personally, I think an ant is as valid a life form as any other (and I include humans in this). You hear about animal rights a reasonable amount, but I have never, not once, heard somebody try to defend the rights of an invertebrate. Do you think it will ever happen? I can easily walk down the shop now and buy chemicals to kill some bugs and nobody would bat an eyelid. Whereas, if I shot a dog, I think a few people might take notice. You can of course buy chemicals for the killing of rats, which whilst not invertebrates, are not considered by the general public to be the cute variety of furry, and hence it is deemed acceptable. Any thoughts?

      Cheers

    • #71443
      Bugz
      Participant

      hey Feb ~~nice, is that you?

      That is a dung beetle!!

    • #71554
      Locus
      Participant

      I have similar one at the my collection… I don’t know is them (my and on the foto) related to one species or not but seems very similar.

    • #71560
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Yes that is me! Oh my goodness his* antenna are so cute! It is hard for me to find the exact species but I will try to dig harder to find it 🙂

    • #72043
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      to orbit:

      I truly don’t believe that there will ever be right protecting insects… That doesn’t mean that there should or shouldn’t be, but most of the "civilized" world today does not believe that the life of an insect is as important as a bunny’s life.

      to February Beetle:

      Do little guys like that appear a lot in Kansas?

    • #72062
      arian
      Participant

      is any identification manual on isects (includin all the orders) in one publishing copy?
      Can anyone help me with it?
      thank you

    • #72145
      Locus
      Participant
      quote i_r_e_d:

      most of the “civilized” world today does not believe that the life of an insect is as important as a bunny’s life.

      Oh, yes 🙁 . It is impossible to reanimate anyone biosystem by the begining from, for example, animals like tigers and panda – they simply will not survive in the disballanced system, and one of the fundaments of terrestrial ecosysteme, when mummals and birds only the roof.
      Ariane – are you know about this site:
      bugguide.net
      ?

    • #72148
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      That’s an interesting website Locus… Very useful, thanks…

    • #72209
      February Beetle
      Participant

      i_r_e_d: Yes, actually. I didn’t know until this year tough. Silly me, but I have been looking outside under the lights after it gets dark and they are out there was the June Bugs, do you know what those are? I know they are in scarab also.

    • #72224
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      Yes I know what they are!! 😉 But I don’t know where scarab is… How can something be in a scarab? 😕

    • #72240
      February Beetle
      Participant

      A beetle from family Scarabaeidae is what I meant. 🙂 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarabaeidae

    • #72316
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      Sweetness!!! I love dem litl critters!! We have a lot of long horn beetles here, but not too many june bugs…

    • #72347
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Oh my goodness the June bugs are so thick here! They used to creep me out because their legs are so sticky. But now I love them 🙂 Last year I was letting this one crawl around on me in my house because I am trying to get used to touching insects. Anyway, it was on the lamp and then we turned the lights out to watch TV and the next thing I knew… out of the darkness something alive hits me right in the head! Scared the crap out of me. We had to watch TV with the lights on after that. 🙂

    • #72348
      February Beetle
      Participant

      PS- do you have any pictures of the long horn beetles?

    • #72394
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      Na no pics of them… I’ll try to see if i can get one though!!! but it will be in a few days or so…

      One hit you in the head!!! That’s awesome!!! But I would watch TV with the lights on too…

    • #72475
      February Beetle
      Participant

      My new pet!

      GI-NORMOUS Dung Beetle! 🙂 Dichotomius carolinus He is huge and cute! My cousin found him for me:) I fed him some cow dung earlier and I think he liked it?
      Also, here is a picture of a jumping spider I saw :

    • #72476
      nugget
      Participant

      OHHH i loooooooooooooove jumping spiders they are soooooooo cute !!!!

    • #72488
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      WOW!!! THAT’S AMAZING!!!!

    • #72523
      nugget
      Participant

      one good macro lens 😉

    • #72573
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I really like my digital camera I have, it is not an SLR but it has a ‘super macro’ mode. I went and bought and expensive digital SLR that I am not very good at using yet. :X But… it is very hard to focus on an insect or spider when there is only an automatic focus.

      PS- I forgot to say thank to you Bugz because YOU are the one that heightened my interest in dung beetles with your awesome pictures/stories. You’re awesome and where are you at?

    • #72762
      Bugz
      Participant

      hey, nice dung beetle,~~~~~

      how do you feed him~~? 😆

    • #72795
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I go out in the pasture with a stick… Is that what I should do? He eats it.

    • #72821
      Mr. Tallahassee
      Participant

      Hey guys,

      I have recently become interested in dung beetles, specifically to help my neighborhood naturally digest its canine droppings. I can see from my research however that there are many things that this group of insects can help with. I have also found that most species are more inclined to dine on the droppings of herbivores and omnivores. However one study found that they were not adverse to fox and dog droppings. See below the study. I have also read that different species prefer different moistures in dung and in their environment. I live in Florida (could you guess) and was looking for some help learning about the different species and maybe some help obtaining some. If there is not already research done I may do the testing myself to find a species that would be up for the task of helping my neighborhood. However if I do the research myself I will need help acquire different species and setting up a habitats for them. Is anyone up for helping?

      Dung preference of the dung beetle Scarabaeus cristatus Fab (Coleoptera-Scarabaeidae) from Kuwait
      Authors: Al-Houty W.; Al-Musalam F.
      Source: Journal of Arid Environments, Volume 35, Number 3, 1997, pp. 511-516(7)
      Publisher: Academic Press

      Abstract:
      Adult dung beetles, Scarabaeus cristatus , consume the fluid components of dung and bury whole dung as food for their larvae. When dung from three herbivorous animals, horse, camel and sheep, was offered, the beetles preferred the more fluid horse dung to the others. Sheep dung was preferred to the camel dung. The dungs of two carnivores, dog and fox, were also accepted but to a lesser extent than the herbivore dung.
      Keywords: dung; dung beetle; Scarabaeus cristatus; Kuwait
      Language: English
      Document Type: Research article
      Affiliations: Department of Zoology – Faculty of Science, Kuwait University, Safat, 13060, Kuwait:

    • #72869
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote February Beetle:

      I go out in the pasture with a stick… Is that what I should do? He eats it.

      It will be fine if he eats it~~~ 😆

      here is my dung beetle~~~ 😉


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    • #72886
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Nice Horn! Do you kill them or find them dead, may I ask?

    • #73053
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote February Beetle:

      Nice Horn! Do you kill them or find them dead, may I ask?

      This one was dead when I found him~

      But you know, sometimes, I have to kill them for making specimen 🙁

    • #73066
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Me too. look at what I found last night:


      Golden Scarab, how beautiful!

    • #73121
      i_r_e_d
      Participant

      wow… that is really pretty!

    • #73144
      David George
      Participant

      it looks like a jewel and think about the jewel scarabs

    • #73145
      David George
      Participant

      I have seen some near my house and in some forests in India they are green[mettalic] and beautiful.

    • #73153
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Great! Do you have any photos? Those would be neat to see.

    • #74273
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey! I have collected some beetles too, some measures less than 1mm. I haven’t took photo yet but I will do that soon.

    • #74276
      Locus
      Participant

      Hi! Here is foto of extremely small insect, that I saw at the window of my room.
      At the another forum it was decribed as egg parasite from Eulophidae it’s size less than millimeter.


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    • #74294
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Wow, that is tiny! Does anyone know how to go about pinning something like that? I am having some problems with very small beetles. I do have small pins, I guess maybe I just need more practice 😛

    • #74314
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey, Do not try to pin small beetles. Just spread their eggs and stick them with fine glue on paper.
      and observe it under lense.

    • #74376
      February Beetle
      Participant

      okay i will try thanks 🙂

    • #74402
      ninetails
      Participant

      Beetles are definitely the best, especially the Rhinocerous beetles found in coconut trees. Their grip is deadly. They look menacing and like an armored tank. Their horn curved and strong, blunt though.:cry:

      They are strong and hard, not fragile, so we can give that occasional rough touch.:lol:

      Big enough to do some tricks.:lol:

      Too slow to run out of your hands, they can fly but not much and these guys never leave the safety of your hand. 😆 You can go on handling these guys for hours and can have them behind your ears for the whole day.

      Trick 1: Put your beetle on a sheet of soiled paper. Tilt the paper and watch him slide across and get hold of the edge, just when you think hes going over. haha thats some stunt you thought only Tom Cruise can do.

      Trick 2 : Ask you friend to close their eyes with their hands extended and wait for a surprise gift. Once you see the free palm drop this big fella, he will hold on to the hand for another hour, unless of course your friend knows about beetle behaviour. Tell you what, it could get a little painfull…heh but who cares.

      Trick 3 : Place and tie a rubber eraser on his back n watch him carry it around with ease. I think they can carry abt 10 times their body weight.

      Try all these stunts with a Rhinoserous bettel for best effect. They are strong and can survive through the ordeal.

      Don’t worry this ain’t cruelty or anything, take good care of the beetle. You can create awareness about how kewl they are and how exciting these little creatures can be.
      I have handled 100s of beetles and they are always very friendly with me. 8)

    • #74491
      Beetle
      Participant
      quote February Beetle:

      Wow, that is tiny! Does anyone know how to go about pinning something like that? I am having some problems with very small beetles. I do have small pins, I guess maybe I just need more practice 😛

      You can try to pin them with small pins like 000 but it is better to glue them as said before but be carefull to use water based glue or you want be able to unglue them if you need to examine underside for indetification or for any other purpose. You can also use transparent plastic sheets to glue them so you can see it under. Or to glue it on the tip of the triangular paper so the is minimal covered area of body. I friend of mine is working on parasitic wasps and he make microscopical samples (damn i cannot remeber the right word for it). They are so small than even glueing would make them unuseable for indetification.

    • #74492
      Beetle
      Participant
      quote February Beetle:

      PS- do you have any pictures of the long horn beetles?

      I am sorry for just giving you link with pictures and not posting some of my own photos that I have but this PC that I have here on work is toooo slow for something like that.

      http://www.uochb.cas.cz/~natur/cerambyx/cerambyx.htm

      While we are talking about exotic pets I can suggest you all to try some of the larger Cerambycids as a pet. They are easy to maintain and if you have luck of living somewhere in the tropics you can find some of nice specimens, although here in Europe you can find also some speacies large enough to scare the crap out of your gests. 🙂

    • #74494
      Bugz
      Participant

      😆 carry on guys~~~

    • #74646
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Just got back from Colorado:

      and on my goodness do they have a severe lack of BUGS!
      Some pics from home:

      Red Milkweed Beetles

      Cool Katydid

      I did find some insects in the Rockies:

      Mantid

      Beetles by the Colorado River

      Cool Hopper

      Hungry Earwig
      \
      Really neat cactus bugs

      TA-DA
      More to come, but I have chemistry class in the morning. Hope you like!

    • #74670
      Bugz
      Participant

      hey, very nice~~~I love that locust~~~

      btw~what is the sign on your t-shirt?

    • #74671
      Bugz
      Participant

      i can just see the earwig’s butt 😆 😆 😆

    • #74674
      February Beetle
      Participant

      The image on my shirt is Venom from the Spider man Comic. It is a black spider 🙂 Do you know people call Cicadas the name Locust around here?

      The earwig was so cool! I was looking on that Goldenrod at some wasps and bees and I saw these pinchers sticking out. I thought "What the heck is that?!" So I put a jar around it and took the whole flower. I saw the Earwig but I still didn’t know what it was! One of my Aunt’s had to tell me. What a silly girl not knowing what an earwig was!

      You know what… I found a Mantidfly and an Owlfly yesterday. How cool is that?!

    • #74675
      February Beetle
      Participant
    • #74722
      sachin
      Participant

      Nice Pics, I liked those.

      Insect mania………

    • #74726
      Bugz
      Participant

      Sachin, what r u doing now, writing thesis?

    • #74748
      sachin
      Participant

      The beetles are still humming around………. and I can here them…. Mansoon season in Mumbai. Did you experienced in your country?

      I m not writing thesis still. I m going to get registered for PhD. and then I will write those.
      By the way , what you r doing.

    • #74760
      Bugz
      Participant

      I m going to study ecology for a master of research degree in September.

      Mainly about wildlife conservation 😀

    • #74770
      February Beetle
      Participant

      That sounds awesome!

    • #74797
      sachin
      Participant

      Insect Ecology will be better choice for you….

    • #74832
      Bugz
      Participant

      80% of my research projects are about ocean mammals and fishes.

      only 1 project is butterfly ecology 😥

      whatever, its ok, I also love mammals 😉

    • #74942
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      why don’t we ever consider insect conservation as part of wildlife conservation?? beats me!

    • #74951
      sachin
      Participant
      quote oortclouddomicile:

      why don’t we ever consider insect conservation as part of wildlife conservation?? beats me!

      Excellant Idea….

      And Entomologiest do think that, it is neccessary.
      Many Butterflies got slaughtered every day for ornamental use.

    • #74953
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      yeah, especially the bird-wings. true.
      but don’t you feel we do not know enough about insect extinction because we give them little importance? seeing the rate at which fresh water bodies are getting polluted, mainly in the developing nations, or dried out, i am sure that there are atleast a few hundred species of dragonflies and mayflies that are facing extinction right now.

      more research should be done with regard to insect extinction, because unlike mammals and birds (point to note), insect extinction can be truly devastating to the ecological balance.

    • #74955
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Agreed! But it is hard to convince people that insects are important, I think anyway. Everyone wanted to protect the Bald Eagle but when they found out they were protecting other um… smaller animals they were angry. I need to find that quote from my speech I did on the Endangered Species Act. It was from congress it was something along the lines of… if they knew they would be protecting some small species they wouldn’t have voted the way they did.

    • #74957
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      exactly. the closer an organism is related to humans, the more importance it gets. take religions for example, except for the dung beetle i don’t remember any invertebrate treated with any respect whatsoever.

      i guess when you say ‘smaller’ it means a more distant relative..
      it’s all understandable but it’s got to change right?

    • #74959
      February Beetle
      Participant

      It has to change. That is what I admired about Steve Irwin so much… he showed people how to LOVE crocs, along with other animals. He got the word out about croc and other wildlife conservation, where crocs aren’t very loved animals usually. Hopefully that broadening can keep stretching to include invertebrates.

      In one of my zoology classes we started with sponges and went through the jellyfish and worms and we got to the arthropod chapters and a girl at my table asked "Are insects animals?!" I said, what else would they be plants? You are okay with sponges being animals but not insects?

      I don’t know what to do about it. Personally all of my friends and family know how much I love bugs and I have changed some of their minds about insects. I don’t know what could help on a grand scale. Any suggestions? "Insect Awareness" T-shirts? lol

      I know people who don’t even like butterflies or ladybugs… what?!
      I just read a book that said ladybugs are the pandas of the insect world lol!

    • #74960
      February Beetle
      Participant



      A spit bug and his home!

    • #74975
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      it’s a strange thing. i’ve met only about 3 guys till date who willingly handle insects. and i think that only people who realise that insects aren’t all that sinister during their late childhood really manage to admire them when they become grown ups.
      if you are bitten or painfully stung during this exploratory period, you are a goner.

      i’ve read a book by Desmond Morris where he claims that humans have an inborn fear for certain animals.. snakes, spiders. may be the list also includes insects. but hate butterflies?? that’s EXTREME! my mom’s mortally terrified of moths. i’ve tried explaining but no use.

      ‘insect-awareness T-shirts’ is a good idea by the way.

    • #74977
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I don’t believe that we have an inborn fear of those animals. I just am deciding not to I guess 🙂 Is there a lot of historical evidence for it? I always assumed it had more to do with our culture.

      Most people I know are not terrified of insects and are okay with them. It is hard for me sometimes to understand somebody else’s feelings when I haven’t felt the same way. I didn’t always like bugs as much as I do now, but the way some people feel about insects is just startling. I have never had such a fear or hatred for anything! I have just decided this year my concentration of study will be insects and I have been thinking a lot about this problem. I have two younger cousins who are 7 and 9 and I am helping mold them into bug-lovers : ) My aunt found a dead velvet ant for me last week. She told me she was stung by one when she was young and she is accepting of insects. Maybe she wasn’t in her exploratory period 😛

    • #74978
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      i just remembered i was stung by a wood ant when i was some 5 yrs old. but i don’t know why it didn’t deter me. perhaps my hypothesis has some flaws. Morris says that because the ancestors of human lived in forests, they had to be wary of snakes and that one still carries that trait no matter from which part of the world one’s from. cultural background probably accents the fear i suppose. i don’t think it CAN have any historical evidence.. but surveys and stuff have given a pretty good picure.

      it’s a nice thing you are doing.. just take care they don’t find squashing the bugs very entertaining. that can be disastrous.

    • #74979
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      talking of inborn fear, i noticed these in the first page of this thread.

      quote :

      jimmystang
      New Member

      “i don’t know, i’ve some sort of insect-phobia”

      .

      quote :

      Oscerot
      Senior Member

      “I remember I was on this hike and a random beetle flew on my pants. I started running around and smacking myself. “

      .

      quote :

      sachin
      Super Member

      “I was………afraid of that.

      before I took admision into Masters degree in Entomology(Insect study)”

      funny. and it seems ‘bugz’ is scared of larvae with small legs.. hehe..
      i was afraid of cockroaches until a couple of years back when i learnt about them in entomology and tried to apply my newly found knowledge. now, roaches are bigger than god for me.

    • #75000
      sachin
      Participant

      I apprecite you beetle both about awareness of invertebrate to world and insect bhobia.

      Its not that world can not apprecite insect and other organisms but they like big animals instead.

      But they still not aware of fact that "SIZE DOESN’T MATTER ALWAYS, BUT NUMBER DO"….

      One bite of COBRA makes man dead, But one sting of honey bee can make sense as painful as cobra bite and 200 bites can make man dead…. remeber honey bees wont sting alone they attacks in 1000s.

      There is less chance that cobra can find you except jungle, But there are more chances that honey bees can find you even in your home. They can make you to leave your place forever.

      "SO NUMBER IS THE STRENGHT OF INVERTEBRATES"

    • #75004
      Bugz
      Participant

      hehe, yeah, I daren’t to touch the larva’s worm like body 😯

      but hey, I m not afraid of slugs, look~~~~ 😆


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    • #75009
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      tell me, bugz, since when were you not afraid of slugs?

    • #75024
      Bugz
      Participant

      ummm…I dont know, I think I never scare of them…

    • #75026
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      hmmm.. i can’t find any reason why humans shouldn’t have an inborn fear of slugs. you must be an anomaly, bugz.

      anyway, we have to make a lot of field observations before we can get to any sort of conclusion. so, for the time being, i am taking leave of the thread. will keep you people informed if i find anything interesting.

    • #75039
      Bugz
      Participant

      haha…maybe…

      I always feed snails when I was a kid

      you know snails and slugs..they look similar~~

      But I think that I ll be crazy too if there are 100 slugs crepping on my back~~

    • #75041
      Bugz
      Participant

      btw, how old are u, oort? may I ask?

    • #75047
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      in off-topic discussion forum

    • #75063
      Linn
      Participant

      I dont like slugs at all 😯
      they are slimy and yucky and eat my Hosta 🙁

      On an other note
      I was wondering if any of you have observed an exceptionally high number of Deformed Wing Virus in Bumble bees and honey bees or any other bees?
      I am shocked at how many I am seeing on a daily basis

    • #75067
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I haven’t seen or heard anyone talking about DWV around here. I will pay a closer attention

    • #75146
      Bugz
      Participant
      quote Bugz:

      hehe, yeah, I daren’t to touch the larva’s worm like body 😯

      but hey, I m not afraid of slugs, look~~~~ 😆

      oops….I was talking about slugz~~~~ 😯

      I think I should get out of here~~~~ 😆

    • #75150
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Huh?

    • #75155
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      gastropoda 💡

    • #75661
      sachin
      Participant
    • #79728
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Did you find that picture or take it, Sachin?

    • #80477
      mcar
      Participant

      If insects would be as big as mammals, aliens must have come!

    • #80558
      MrMistery
      Participant

      or you went back to the carboniferous period.

    • #80571
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Heck yeah! But they still rule the world, though. 😀 Did you know the mass extinction that took out the dinos barley phased insects (at order level, anyway.) Take that vertebrates!

      MrMistery probably knows, but it never hurts being stated again.

    • #80612
      MichaelXY
      Participant
      quote :

      If insects would be as big as mammals, aliens must have come!

      Were not scorpians at one time bigger than your favorite pet? I seem to remember reading that at one time, scorpians were like 1.2 meters long, and some centipedes rivaled the length of a car.

    • #80625
      February Beetle
      Participant
    • #80927
      sachin
      Participant

      Hey Bugs………….February Beetle……………. and other friends I have got new Digital cam now and I can post more images here…………..

    • #80932
      February Beetle
      Participant

      I’m ready for them!!! I will try to get some good pics once spring hits… I am getting a disecting scope real soon and I am going to go through lots of leaf litter looking for good stuff!

    • #81018
      mcar
      Participant

      Hey feb. I just have read about "mutual gifts" often shared by male insects upon mating. Katydids for an instance. Really that the way to the woman’s heart is really in her stomach. But isn’t it deleterious to the male? It’s just so nice and humans at least had not yet evolved into that way of mating, for survival and succession.

    • #81039
      February Beetle
      Participant

      lol, with insects it is all about producing a lot of offspring. You’ve heard about black widow and praying mantis also, right? Well… those females are only going to live long enough to lay a couple of egg sacs. By giving the females more nutrition than males, it is more likely to have more eggs/bigger egg sacs/healthier egg sacs. Both parents will die that season, anyway (I think widows can living longer, though maybe 3 to 5 years, still relatively short time.)

      A lot of things are determined by females being bigger and/or living longer than males. I remember in an intro class learning about a Nematode of grasshoppers that laid eggs on grass blades. If the grasshopper ate less than 10 eggs all would become females, more than 10 eggs they would all become males because females need more to eat!

      Haplo-Diploidy is a very interesting evolutionary trait!
      Also Eusocial insects are very interesting. Why did colonies evolve that only one or two individuals out of a LOT will mate, the others will never mate but they still work for the good of the colony. Isn’t evolution geared towards passing on YOUR genes? Hmm…

      INTERESTING about Katydids tho… In a season with drought the male’s will not sing as much, because they don’t want to mate and give away the gift. Interesting, right? I read that in the book "Broadsides from the Other Orders: A Book of Bugs" by Sue Hubbell.

      Us humans tho, we have a lot of parental care and it would not be good to go through birth and raising a child by yourself *although some women and men can do that well
      I would want my babies daddy to stick around for awhile longer 🙂

    • #81040
      February Beetle
      Participant

      Oh, and also about the first thing. Some species the females have no interest in mating what so ever, so the males will do whatever it takes to get there genes passed on.

    • #81079
      mcar
      Participant

      Well, if females have no interest at all, would it be right to say that males carry the surviving factor of their species?
      But indeed, such behavior is really intelligent because, all they have to work for is to continue their existence in this world.

    • #81103
      sachin
      Participant

      See it is a moth…………………


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    • #81119
      oortclouddomicile
      Participant

      identification help.
      this looks like a hymenopteran…may be some species of wasp, not sure.


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    • #81168
      February Beetle
      Participant

      pretty moth.

      Can’t identify the hymenopteroid… but I saw a picture of Braconid wasp in a book I was looking though today that -sort of- looked like your guy.

    • #81184
      sachin
      Participant

      It doesn’t seem to be hymenoptera due to its anttenae ……… these diff…. but no other order look like this?

    • #82115
      tianlai
      Participant

      Wedding


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    • #82116
      tianlai
      Participant

      Dragonfly


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    • #82117
      tianlai
      Participant

      Fertilization


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    • #82118
      tianlai
      Participant

      continue


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    • #82119
      tianlai
      Participant

      What is it?


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    • #82120
      tianlai
      Participant

      Fly


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    • #82121
      tianlai
      Participant

      Beautifulfly or butterfly


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    • #82153
      mcar
      Participant

      But some insects like the predatory ones, increased much of man’s imagination in creating fictional films like Alien and The Fly.

    • #82221
      February Beetle
      Participant

      What are you responding to, mcar?

      Thanks for sharing those pics, I can’t wait until spring to get some of my own!I like the pretty green wasp best 🙂

    • #82247
      tianlai
      Participant

      The birds are coming, so the insects are not far away.

    • #82317
      sachin
      Participant

      See 1mm Beetle…….


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    • #82399
      sachin
      Participant

      My article on ……..sense-organs-insects

      Entomology >> http://www.biology-online.org/articles/sense-organs-insects.html

    • #82437
      February Beetle
      Participant

      That… is a small guy!

      Hey, we had our first 68F day here, and I saw some wolfy spiders and pop bottle flies (Unconfirmed siting) today! YAY!

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