Biology Forum › Zoology Discussion › Can some 1 explain this 2 me- birds and bats
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- April 19, 2006 at 5:37 pm #4510Retarded_at_bioParticipant
Can some1 explain 2 me y flying birds can b so much larger than flying bats. What is an adaption that birds have and bats lack? Thank u so much ❗ This site roks ❗
- April 20, 2006 at 2:13 pm #46837baikuzaParticipant
feather–derivate of the epidermis+endodermis
- April 20, 2006 at 9:10 pm #46906Bio_Girl015Participant
Huh…I never thought about it really. Why are birds bigger than bats?…
- April 20, 2006 at 9:24 pm #46908flintParticipant
that depends on the bird and the bat, but bats are much newer to the flying game than birds and thus have not had the time to fine tune the mechanics quite as well as bads have
I cant say what exactly those adaptations are though
- April 21, 2006 at 3:52 am #46936AstusAleatorParticipant
Bats can actually get quite large. Look up flying foxes.
I would venture a guess as to the general differences in size though:
First of all bats rely on a petagium, rather than feathers. This means they must diffuse blood out over a larger area, in their wing, than birds. Bird wings, if you were to pluck all the feathers, are just straight appendages, and thus more effecient for blood transfer.
Second: Bats rely on powered flight. Try to think of as many large birds as you can, and see if you can find one that can’t glide on wind currents. You will find smaller birds that use powered flight (constantly flapping their wings to stay in the air) but not many large birds. The only large-ish bird I can think of with powered flight is a duck. This ties in with my first point, as powered flight is much less energy-efficient than gliding, and requires a smaller body mass to ensure an adequate rate of Oxygen delivery to muscle.
Third: Bats are mammals, and as such generally have a heavier body-mass than birds. Bat bones are light for mammals, but still heavier than birds. Mammals also have hair, which unlike a birds feathers, is not condusive to flying.I also agree with flint, in that bats evolved flight much later than birds, and so have not refined it to the degree that birds have.
- April 21, 2006 at 3:25 pm #46981Bio_Girl015Participant
Hey, thats pretty cool…i’m now doing my research paper on bats. LOL. Peace.
- April 22, 2006 at 6:24 pm #47075Zeneth EntorionParticipant
I agree with AstusAleator’s structural issues above, but… is there actual any evolutionary pressure for bats to be bigger? I mean, most of them eat insects or fruit (with some notable exceptions)- as far as I can see, being bigger would just hamper their agility!
- April 23, 2006 at 10:00 am #47108kiekyonParticipantquote Bio_Girl015:Hey, thats pretty cool…i’m now doing my research paper on bats. LOL. Peace.
take a look at this, then
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2006/417/2?etoc
- April 23, 2006 at 7:27 pm #47148Bio_Girl015Participant
Awesome link! Thanks kiekyon! This will definitely help me out a lot! Thanks Again! 😀
Katrina
- April 24, 2006 at 4:14 pm #47247DarbyParticipant
I don’t know that a comparison of timelines is an indicator of anything – evolution doesn’t work on a timer, and in several ways (maneuverability, for instance) bats are much better fliers than birds. There are just constraints from being mammals that are unlikely to change compared to what has changed (and not changed from their dinosaur ancestors) in the birds.
- April 26, 2006 at 11:02 pm #47428Retarded_at_bioParticipant
Thanks so much for helping me to understand. I thank all of you so much. Pz out
Cy
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