Biology Forum Zoology Discussion domesticating

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    • #5337
      simmer
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      I need an expert’s thought on this.
      I have an exotic pet, a common east coast snapping turtle. I was wandering what it would take to set up a successful domestication program for it. Owners claim that they can teach their turtles tricks, and it is proven that if raised from a hatchling they will grow docile, and devoted to their owner. They can recognize the owner but I’m not sure if it is by sight, or, smell, or if they can’t recognize people, but grow use to people as handler’s.
      A few traits I would like to alter:
      —size/weight…although we could branch off and kinda make two "breeds".
      –temperment…To make them loyal to their owners
      ———–diet…to handle the misfeeding that pet owner’s often infflict on pets
      In any case is it even possible to do this ❓

    • #52280
      Condraz23
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      Is domestication not the result of hundreds of years of selective breeding?

    • #52283
      alextemplet
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      Lots of people around here keep snapping turtles, but nobody even tries to domesticate them. They just leave them in a big pond and throw fish in to feed them, and the turtles are almost never handled by humans. They’re far too aggressive and dangerous to be treated as normla pets.

    • #52289
      simmer
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      I know about both of those but there are people out here who have handled the turtles all through their lives (the turtles lives).
      It is also true that if handled as a hatchling they will grow up docile. There is some who were not meant to be w/ people but that’s what we got to rule out.
      I know about domestication and I know it’ll take hundreds of years of careful selective breeding but it’s still possible as long as their are people who own them and know about this.
      Also, be sure your not talking about an alligator snapping turtle
      Plus this will be the first reptile in history to be domesticated.
      It may seem that I’m obsessed w/ them, but I’m not. 8)

    • #52323
      alextemplet
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      What about iguanas and geckos? People keep them as pets all the time; how are they not domesticated?

      And I am talking about an alligator snapping turtle. Around here, that’s what a snapping turtle is.

    • #52334
      damien james
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      quote simmer:

      I know about both of those but there are people out here who have handled the turtles all through their lives (the turtles lives).
      It is also true that if handled as a hatchling they will grow up docile. There is some who were not meant to be w/ people but that’s what we got to rule out.
      I know about domestication and I know it’ll take hundreds of years of careful selective breeding but it’s still possible as long as their are people who own them and know about this.
      Also, be sure your not talking about an alligator snapping turtle
      Plus this will be the first reptile in history to be domesticated.
      It may seem that I’m obsessed w/ them, but I’m not. 8)

      Most wild animal will not be docile even if handled as hatchling, especially non-mammalian. I think it would be much harder to domesticate a reptile than a mammal also. Also it is true like alex says. Iguanas are raised and bred in pet stores for a long time, and still they are wild.

    • #52343
      Condraz23
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      A succesful domestication programme for alligator snapping turtles would be very hard to achieve. Remember, reptiles aren’t very "moldable" creatures. It would be similar to domesticating snakes or crayfish. Although not impossible, it would definitely take alot of time.

      Successful domestication occours within the genetic level. Careful selective breeding will pick out undesirable genes, replacing them with new genes that causes the animal to exhibit desirable traits. Animals showing these desirable traits could be bred together, leading to domestication.

    • #52345
      alextemplet
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      Alligators are probably easier to domesticate than snapping turtles, because they are more intelligent.

    • #52521
      Darby
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      Reptiles do have personalities – lizards more than snakes, snakes more than turtles, and it might be possible to breed for certain types. So far as I know, no one has done that – just breeding individuals is much trickier than for things like mammals and birds.

      You’re fighting reptilian instincts, though, and with snapping turtles, once they’re a certain size, a miscalculation could lose you a finger.

      My bull snake is incredibly trustworthy – so much so that I feel confident letting preschoolers handle her. But I had a very docile savannah monitor (about 9 lbs / 4 kg) who was always very calm until, after an outdoor walk (and I assume a whiff of dog or something, latched onto my shoulder – took me about 15 minutes to dislodge him, but he didn’t cause any permanent damage. I have a subadult snapping turtle, and I’ve seen him cut minnows in half – I never handle him without being out of his biting range. But I have heard of people having very docile snapping turtles.

    • #52529
      Linn
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      I have a snapper too! He is soo ugly hes cute! he catches birds. If I could get him to not birte me when I am not looking I could train him to be a guard snapping turtle. Some things can not be toatly domesticated what has happened is he has lost his fear of humans. Studies have shown with animals that successive captive bred generations DO actually begin to change in size, color, and mannerisms. I dont know if this can happen with our initial subject though. 😕

    • #53878
      Skeletor Rinpoche
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      East coast common snapper is no where close to being as big/aggressive as Alligator snappers. I know a person in Maryland who breeds both alligator snappers and common snappers(easier), not sure what his name/website is.

    • #53930
      Linn
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      quote Skeletor Rinpoche:

      East coast common snapper is no where close to being as big/aggressive as Alligator snappers. I know a person in Maryland who breeds both alligator snappers and common snappers(easier), not sure what his name/website is.

      I am sure you are right, but my snapper is a vicious little devil 😈
      I will see if I can get a picture 🙂

    • #54299
      beluga fiction
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      Try to find what your pet likes most and then try to satisfy their pleasures in exchange of your ambitions about who is the master.
      Anyway, they do not like cold enviroments, try to be patient

    • #54378
      Linn
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      😆 my daughter has a rabbit that forgot he is a prey animal. He will attack you if you try to take his banana away ans he talks back to us when we tell him to stop doing something by stamping his feet and charging. Even the dog keeps out of his way. I have nicknamed him the jackolope 😈

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