Biology Forum Botany Discussion Gopherwood Range Theory

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    • #5140
      Garry Denke
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      Gopherwood Range Theory
      John Denke, Biology 101
      University of North Texas
      Fall Semester, 1999 AD

      Abstract

      Biologists know that gophers are found only in the Western Hemisphere. The gopher tortoise, species Gopherus polyphemus, is its eldest endangered species living in a certain Southeastern U.S. range. Also living within this range is the resilient Southern live oak, species Quercus virginiana. Its naturally-curved massive branches were used exclusively for the strongest shipbuilding frames. "Old Ironsides", the oldest commissioned ship still afloat in the world, is built from these Southeastern U.S. gopher’s wood’s forests. Thus, the ark’s "gopherwood" name, "gopher wood", is identical to the species of wood in USS Constitution’s frame, according to theory. Quercus virginiana (after Philip Miller, botanist)

      Other biologists suggest three of the four known Gopherus living species: G. agassizii, G. berlandieri and G. flavomarginatus. However, all three range in non-forested areas. Ancient stone anchors, similar to 5,000-year-old anchors found at Bimini and the Middle East, are common in U.S. Gulf Coast hurricane flood zones.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_wood

      GDG

      I know very little about biology,
      does this abstract hold water?

      Thank you.

    • #50768
      Darby
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      Is there supposed to be some sort of point in this abstract somewhere?

    • #50770
      alextemplet
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      Some translations indicate that the ark was made of cypress, not gopherwood. I’m personally not sure which wood it was; I think it might just be a translation error.

    • #50784
      damien james
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      Yes. I agree with Darby. What is point? Also I almost went to UNT in Denton. But it was not very good school I did not think.

    • #50820
      Garry Denke
      Participant

      Here is one last pitch of John’s range theory.

      Our core samples of Noah’s ark are Quercus virginiana. That’s the current problem. John’s notebooks say Constantine Rafinesque named genus Gopherus. I read that’s true. His notes say he had to. Why? Because Carolus Linnaeus had already named genus Quercus. The species name virginiana was gone too. John says Carolus named the species. Several sites say Philip Miller did. Which is it? Obviously neither of them, Carolus nor Philip, knew about the core samples.

      Is a Southern live oak native to Virginia, he asks here, is it virgin Virginian? John writes, yes, of course, but at the range’s extreme northeast edge. Francois Daudin had named species polyphemus already. The name Quercus (Carolus’) was gone, the name virginiana (Carolus’ or Philip’s) was gone, and the name polyphemus (Francois’) was gone, so Constantine named the genus Gopherus, according to John, for a common range. Noted here is western US was a frontier area not known (classified) yet. Was genus Gopherus and its species polyphemus classified first? Here it says it was, before the remaining three Gopherus’ species were. John says it was Constantine’s only choice at the time, but I disagree.

      The question is did Constantine know the ark was Southern live oak? John says yes, he knew. I say no, he didn’t know. If he did know about the ark’s core samples, then the Gopherwood Range Theory holds water. On the other hand if Constantine didn’t know, then the common range naming of Southern live oak and Gopher tortoise at the time is nothing more than a coincidence. Best I can tell, neither Carolus, Philip, Francois, nor Constantine, knew.

      Verification that Noah’s ark gopher wood is Southern live oak (Quercus virginiana) by independent laboratories is expected soon. Should the University of North Texas student’s 1999 classification be disproven, these notebooks will be pitched.

      Thanks.

    • #50835
      Linn
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      should’nt this be in botany forum? 😕

      of course the tests on the recent archeological find in Iran, will show what kind of wood. But how to know it is THE Ark?

      Cedars of Lebanon were used to build back in the days.

      If it proves to be the same species as southern Oak that would be an interesting topic as to how?

    • #50862
      alextemplet
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      Wait, nobody ever found Noah’s Ark, how did they get core samples?

    • #50866
      Garry Denke
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      quote alextemplet:

      Wait, nobody ever found Noah’s Ark, how did they get core samples?

      By hollowstem coring the arks’ (both) locations then comparing the core samples. It was quite easy. Cored wood species from 8ft below GL at Heelstone was identical to cored wood species from 40ft below GL at Noah’s Ark. Here’s the short version from Cayce Enterprises, Inc.

      8ft below GL at Heelstone: Southern live oak; Quercus virginiana
      40ft below GL at Noah’s Ark: Southern live oak; Quercus virginiana

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Heelstone
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gopher_wood

      ‘Round these parts Alex we call it Plano simple.

      Follow links.

    • #50868
      alextemplet
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      quote Garry Denke:

      quote alextemplet:

      Wait, nobody ever found Noah’s Ark, how did they get core samples?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gopher_wood

      Follow links.

      I’m having trouble with some of these links. You might need to be a bit more direct with me. Can you post the exact links that I’m supposed to be looking at?

      But as for which type of wood it was, I prefer this theory:

      quote :

      Several guesses as to the nature of gopher wood have been made, the most common of which is the cypress. Adam Clarke, a Methodist theologian famous for his commentary on the Bible, cited the Greek word for cypress, kuparisson, and the resemblance of this word’s base, kupar to the Hebrew word gophar.

      Quoted from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher_wood

      I’ve seen Bibles that do translate it as cypress.

      If you don’t mind, could you please post links that directly deal with such core samples? My browser’s being a pain. My apologies for the inconvenience.

    • #50877
      Linn
      Participant

      sorry alex 🙂

      From ABC News:

      http://articles.news.aol.com/news/_a/ha … 0000000001

    • #50884
      Garry Denke
      Participant

      Kopher means something by which one covers something, hence pitch. The derivation of the pitch, whether it be petroleum, or botanically based, is not relevant to its definition.

      http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/pitch/pitch.htm

      Noah’s ark core samples and the Heelstone core samples contain a residue of Pinus palustris pine tar from the Longleaf pine. Pinus palustris, after Philip Miller, botanist.

      http://www.maritime.org/conf/conf-kaye-tar.htm

      Any pine trees in Southeastern U.S.?
      Any gophers there?

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