Biology Forum Molecular Biology Is DNA living or non-living thing?? get the answer here

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    • #12730
      hashemyemen
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      The genetic material of most living organisms, which is a major constituent of the chromosomes within the cell nucleus and plays a central role in the determination of hereditary characteristics by controlling protein synthesis in cells. DNA is a nucleic acid composed of two chains of nucleotides in which the sugar is deoxyribose and the bases are adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine (compare RNA). The two chains are wound round each other and linked together by hydrogen bonds between specific complementary bases to form a spiral ladder-shaped molecule.

      When the cell divides, its DNA also replicates in such a way that each of the two daughter molecules is identical to the parent molecule. The hydrogen bonds between the complementary bases on the two strands of the parent molecule break and the strands unwind. Using as building bricks nucleotides present in the nucleus, each strand directs the synthesis of a new one complementary to itself. Replication is initiated, controlled, and stopped by means of polymerase enzymes.


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      How DNA is Non-living thing?

      1- DNA is chemical compound composed of chain of peptides and proteins strung together in a double helix formation that is like a blueprint in telling the organic chemistry in your body how to build cells, what kind of cells, and where to build them. And chemical compounds can not be considered as a living things, because in realty, all chemical compounds ( e.g enzymes, fats , lipids , proteins , ……….. etc ) are non-living things. So, if we said DNA is living, we to say that all chemical compounds are living also.
      2- DNA is non-living, because it is a molecule not an organism, and this molecule is not sharing organisms in any property, even in replication process as it needs co-workers ( e.g. Enzymes, RNA co-factors ) to succeed its replication.
      3- DNA is non-living because it cannot maintain homeostasis on its own. And it does not have a metabolism of its own.
      4- Is water living or non-living? Water is the simplest example of something not living but responsible for maintaining life. So, DNA is not living but responsible for so many important functions related to life as it is the genetic material which control all the vital processes in the bodies of -almost all the organisms.
      5- DNA is non-living because it is not having any growth and it can’t grow, and the process of replication is not growth, it is simply " Duplication ".
      6- Firstly, living things are made up of the living material or the protoplasm while non-living things are made up of dead material. And DNA is non-living because it is made up of dead material ( e.g Codons and nucleotides ), in additional to that all the structure of DNA composed of dead materials that are chemical components.
      7- If we defined growth as adding new material to our bodies, then DNA is living, because in the process of replication it add new sequences to its structure, but even in this case we have say it is non-living because DNA is not showing development which is the second part of growth, and simply development is the changes in structure living things undergo as it grow and age. So. no change in the structure occurring after replication process.
      8- Birth and death is one of the characteristics of living thing, DNA appeared in the living and it is not having birth point to have death point. So, DNA is non-living because it never dies.
      9- DNA is not living. It is a chemical – a large fragile molecule – in fact it is a FANTASTICALLY HUGE MOLECULE and for what it is, it is in fact remarkably robust. It contains a series of chemical bonds linked together in a chain, and since not all the links of the chain are the same, it is possible to store information there. Our modern computers use binary – a code made of two digits – 1 and 0 or ON and OFF or MAGNETIZED and NOT MAGNETIZED. DNA uses quaternary code – 4 digits represented by four proteins.
      10- It is non-living; there is no debate in the biological community about this. It is a relatively inert chemical that can now be synthetically made. Considering DNA as living is like considering protein to be living. DNA is part of a living cell, as are proteins, fats and a number of other organic molecules.
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      How DNA is living thing?
      The only one proof to say DNA is living, just by the process of replication, because that process sometime refers to making new generation of DNA, and that is just like living thing do.
      In additional to the process of replication, DNA is responsible for a huge function, it carries and shifts hereditary information and characters from the parents to the offsprings, and that must be done by living thing.

      Scientists said:
      DNA is not living thing, but it is essential part to all the living things. Without DNA the presence of life could not be. It is non-living as it carries the properties of non-living things most than carrying that of living things.


      My regards,

      Hashem,

    • #97373
      mokhtaraltaj
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      thank thank hashem

    • #97375
      hashemyemen
      Participant
      quote mokhtaraltaj:

      thank thank hashem

      You are most welcome buddy,

    • #97855
      huseins
      Participant

      useful…thanks hashem

    • #99685
      sumansameer
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      thank you so much this helped a lot

      EX0-101 , 1Y0-A08 , 1Y0-A18 , 642-384

    • #101695
      akram720
      Participant

      well as long as my knowledge concerned these suspicious happen

    • #101749
      kareemshaik
      Participant

      Thats a great explanation.Thanks Hashem sir.I will be in touch with you.

    • #102167
      Haroonpakistan
      Participant

      Its very good post. I like it very much. Good job Hashem.

    • #102372
      Findthesoul
      Participant

      I found your article very interesting but I have one question. If DNA is non-living why doesn’t it continue to function after the body is dead?

    • #102381
      Findthesoul
      Participant

      Living DNA
      I have had time to digest what you have written. I find it hard to accept your justification of DNA as non-living when the majority of its functions are those of a living organism. I have replied to each of your points:
      1. DNA communicates with cells giving instructions. How many other chemical compounds give instructions? Don’t most just react?
      2. Non-living molecules are those for tables, chairs and sofas. Isn’t DNA a molecule that contains life and therefore is a living molecule?
      3. If the DNA is not responsible for homeostasis in a living organism, what is? Doesn’t the metabolism of a living organism depend on its DNA?
      4. Why is DNA classified as non-living when it is responsible for so many important functions relating to life?
      5. Doesn’t this conflict with #1. DNA communicates with cells giving instructions therefore it cannot be just a simple duplication or replication.
      6. If DNA is made up of dead material what gives it life to do what it does? If it is dead why doesn’t it continue functioning after the body dies?
      7. If what you say is true then all the changes and growth a living organism goes through from birth to old age is contained in its DNA. It must be a living thing.
      8. This is very confusing; a child’s DNA is created and comes into being at the point of conception. At the point of death, like the body only the non-living DNA is left therefore DNA is a living thing.
      9. I understand this but what makes the DNA function? Is it a life force? Do you think the answer lies outside the physical?
      10. Perhaps it is time to open the debate again. As you mentioned, DNA is responsible for a huge number of functions, functions that must be done by a living thing.
      If DNA proved to be living as the huge range of functions you have mentioned would favour, would this change the way we look at life?
      A simpleton seeking the truth.

    • #102388
      canalon
      Participant

      Apart from the utter stupidity of the original question and the easy answer [define life properly (The wikipedia definition is OK) and see if DNA does or not fit the definition. (Hint: the answer is no)] I wanted to point out some flaws in the above post:
      1- All hormones, many organic and inorganic compounds and physical phenomena are triggering reactions in cells. Does that make them special?
      2- There are no living or non living molecules. A table and a chair can be made of something living (not very convenient in the long term maybe, but definitely possible) or that once was (wood, plastic, wool and many fibers etc…) living, and that has no impact on the fact that they are alive or not.
      3- Many other molecules and pumps are directly maintaining homeostasis. And much more directly than DNA. The metabolism of many cells depends on the presence of organic molecules, are they alive too?
      4- See above. replace DNA by carbon or water (as in the original post) and reread your question. it is still perfectly factually correct and yet as stupid. Go back to the definition of life that you should have looked at in #1.
      5- The OP is wrong, and so are you. The point is that DNA replication is not autonomous. DNA in itself is not enough to create a self replicating entity. Giving instructions is irrelevant. other wise a CD-Rom or my flashdrive could be alive.
      6- The OP is wrong, and so are you. There is no difference at the molecular level between what is alive or not. Carbon is carbon whether you find it in Diamond or a piece of DNA. There is no special vital force required to make things living.
      7- The fact that DNA codes for what an organism will develop in does not mean anything more than that. It is a blueprint, and without what is around (a living cell, organism) it is absolutely not more alive than a its sequence on a piece of paper (or more likely in a computer file).
      8- The DNA is made in the parents before the conception of the offspring. And the reproductive cells are alive (at least for a few days depending on the species) on their own. The DNA does not substantially change after death. it is the same DNA. The cells will slowly decay as they start having problem to find oxygen and nutrients, but some cells are still alive after the body is dead (cf. transplant, cell culture etc..)
      9- The OP was right. The DNA is used in living organisms because it is there and life evolved from something that was using DNA. Other molecules could replace DNA as well. No life force necessary.
      10- There is no debate, just a lack of understanding of the definition of life. Many atoms and molecules are essential to life, but that does not make them "alive".

      But once again then again what would you expect that the fact that DNA was deemed alive would change to our understanding of life? This is just a friggin’ label that is quite convenient to communicate, but with little operative relevance.

    • #102425
      Findthesoul
      Participant

      Hi Patrick, I loved your quote; I now have it on my wall.
      I have looked at Wikipedia. I accept my original question was rather naive; I accept my reference to living and non-living objects was amateurish; and I accept your comments. In fact I learnt a lot from what you posted.
      A couple of points I’d like to open for debate:
      Non-living
      As you mentioned DNA is first formed in the individual parent as a single strand. It sends no signals, is not self-sustaining. The majority of this is discarded.
      Living
      Things change at the point of conception. The two single strands bond into the familiar double helix form. Suddenly the DNA starts signalling, is self-sustaining, replicates, grows and begins to draw sustenance from its surroundings.
      (Perhaps a little bit like your CD-Rom when the computer fires it up. This makes your last question about my expectations an interesting concept.)
      Non-living
      These functions cease at death. The body cells begin to decay. Although the DNA looks the same (as you posted) it is now dead ‘its functions have ceased’.
      As I mentioned in my original post from conception until death DNA follows the pattern of a living organism.
      From Wikipedia:
      Life (cf. biota) is a characteristic that distinguishes objects that have signalling and self-sustaining processes (biology) from those that do not,[1][2] either because such functions have ceased (death), or else because they lack such functions and are classified as inanimate.[3]
      I think it was Richard Dawkins in his book ‘The Blind Watchmaker’ who speculated that the computer chip might be the next DNA; hope for your CD-Rom yet.
      Peter, a simpleton seeking the truth.

    • #102427
      JackBean
      Participant

      apparently, you didn’t learn much…

      the DNA doesn’t start suddenly signalling, replicate etc. For all these things it needs proteins and other molecules, if you had only DNA itself, it wouldn’t do anything.

    • #102458
      Findthesoul
      Participant

      The reproductive cells are alive (at least for a few days)

      Why do the ‘reproductive cells’ (from each individual parent) die? I feel they only have apparent life, like a torch not connected to a power source, after a time the battery runs out.

      Those few lucky enough to find a mate are transformed. Why? Where does the life come from that makes them grow?

      Perhaps there is something else that happens when the double helix is formed. We can observe the creation or forming of a physical body and watch it grow. But where does our personality fit in? I’ve been told that it is just a chemical reaction related to the physical brain and our mechanical heart but I find this hard to accept. I think it is more likely the other way around. It is our personality which causes the chemical reactions in our physical body?

      Take stress for instance, caused through mental and emotional strain. When we are stressed the chemicals in our physical body go crazy.

      Getting back to the CD Rom, as you mentioned it is an inert blueprint for a programme. Put it in a computer with its hardware brain and mechanical chip and still nothing happens. Turn the switch and allow power to enter the system and we can watch it grow, watch it ‘signal and be self-sustaining’. Have you ever seen electricity? No, but you can see the effect of it. Surely this could also apply to ‘living organisms’. We see the switch turned on at conception and turned off again at death. We see the affect of that switch.

      There is no difference at the molecular level between what is alive or not

      If there is no difference at the molecular level between what is alive or not, where does this difference lie? Richard Dawkins refers to complex and simple things, where complex things can reproduce and simple things can’t. I think it is more than that. Complex things have feelings and emotions; thoughts; and the strength or power needed to control the physical body they have. We laugh when we hear of people talking to plants to encourage them to grow, but plants are sensitive and do respond to TLC.

      A simpleton seeking the truth.

    • #102459
      Findthesoul
      Participant

      I understand that when the two strands of DNA come together they form a blueprint. Surely it is this blueprint that gathers the required proteins and molecules to grow.

    • #102468
      canalon
      Participant
      quote Findthesoul:

      I understand that when the two strands of DNA come together they form a blueprint. Surely it is this blueprint that gathers the required proteins and molecules to grow.

      See here is the problem: You have no clue about how DNA and cells in general are working. This is not terrible, you can learn. There are tutorials on this website (look at the top of the page). There are textbooks of biology available for free all over the net, this is one that is legal, full of very good books and perfectly trustworthy for example. It would really be useful if you could start here.

      I do not mean that your questions are not valid, and that I do not want to discuss more with you, but if you had a basic idea of biology from the start, that would make it easier to have a relevant discussion. Because in your latest post it is obvious that you do not understand that the DNA is not floating in the middle of nowhere, but is in a cell, and that this cell is important for the outcome of the development. DNA by itself is nothing. It can be interpreted only within a cell. Just as a DVD full of computer programs is nothing without the civilization around it to provide computers, electricity and all the things needed to interpret it.
      In fact you can buy DNA in quite large quantity, put it in water, or even in presence of proteins, sugars and amino acids, and nothing will happen if you do not have a cell around.

      As for the life of reproductive cells, as you point out after a few days they die. Sometimes. Plant pollen can be quite stable (hundreds of years). But look at them, the batteries are varying in size, and if you look at a chicken egg, the large amount of nutrients provided for the multiplication of the fertilized cell is visible. And it has been provided by the former generation, just as well as all the cellular machinery that will permit the cell multiplication. Life does not happen in a vacuum. It is a continuous process that rely heavily on the historical contingencies. For evolution as well.

    • #102555
      Findthesoul
      Participant

      Hi Patrick,

      Thanks for all that information. I have done some research and I think I might be in the wrong branch of science. My main interest is psychology. Although I haven’t studied at University, as a writer I study people. I am working on a hypothesis and came up with the question "What if DNA were living?" and google came up with this site. You were right I had in mind that DNA was floating by itself and you have helped me straighten that out.

      I shall continue my search but thanks for your help, Peter.

    • #103342
      eddie6893
      Participant

      SORRY, but DNA is NOT a chain of Proteins and Polypeptide Bonds.

      DNA is a chain of organic bases Cytosine, Guanine, Adensine, Thymidine linked together as rungs of a ladder by Phosphodiester bonds to Ribosome sugars.

      The only significant Proteins are the Histone Octamers that package DNA, and the Protein Scaffolding that has the basic Chromosome shape.

      Otherwise, DNA is the CODE to manufacture proteins by linking Amino Acids into the polypeptide strand of a new protein.

    • #104841
      Taylosr
      Participant

      One major reason that DNA is non-living is that it has no noticeable response to a stimulus. Think about it, DNA does not adapt to drastic changes in environment like it usually does. If you assume that DNA is living by your reasons, then a virus can also be considered living, which the majority have as of now reject because a virus requires a host to replicate therefore is not self-sustaining.

    • #108379
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      (Extend evolution way down to genes, life’s base ORGANISMS. Culture modifies genetics, not vice versa…)
      Pavlov’s Smile: RNAs Are Earth’s Primal Organisms
      Culture>genes>addiction (2 July 2009)
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/24/pavlovs-smile/

      Why Pavlov smiled in 2008?

      Pavlov demonstrated effecting placebo phenomena in multi celled organisms by manipulation of their drives-reactions. Now placebo and imagination phenomena are demonstrated also in Earth’s smallest, base organisms, in the genes and genomes of multi-celled organisms, in our primal 1st stratum and 2nd stratum base organisms.
      A very good reason to smile.
      Now an interesting chain is exposed to our view, the Genes-Virtual Reality Chain, a most intriguing cultural evolution chain extending from the genesis of our genes to nowadays, throughout life, a virtual reality existence, and by virtual reality phenomena, exploitations and manipulations.

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com

      From “Life Genesis From Aromaticity/H-Bonding”
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/30/ear … h-bonding/
      Natural selection is E (energy) temporarily constrained in an m (mass) format.
      Natural selection is a universal ubiquitous trait of ALL mass spin formats, inanimate and animate.
      Life began/evolved on Earth with the natural selection of inanimate RNA, then of some RNA nucleotides, then arriving at the ultimate mode of natural selection – self replication.
      Dov

    • #108381
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      Refresh Comprehension of Universe-Life

      Imagine, just imagine, the interest and activity big bang in science if/when finally freed from AAAS stock !!!

      Science is not another, AAAS trade-union peer-reviewed, religion.
      It takes continuously critical refreshed thinking….

      Whence And Whither
      Extend Darwin-Einstein Horizon, EmD

      EmD versus Emc
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/06/2 … ersus-emc/

      E = mc2 relates E and m via constant c.
      However, since E and c are constant m must also be constant…?!
      Yet for engineering-technology applications the equation is practical, fine.

      E=Total[m(1 + D)] relates E and m via the variable D. D is the sum total of distance, in ALL spatial directions, travelled by m since start of reconversion of m to E.
      This relationship is science, not engineering or technology. E is constant, m and D are variables. D cannot be less than zero, and m varies with D. This is universal reality.

      In this reality there is no missing E. E is there, transformed to mD. mD is E.
      In this reality there is no missing m. m is there, transformed to mD. mD is E.

      Think about it. This is the basis-essence of Evolution, of ALL evolutions. Evolutions are the quantum mechanics of all processes.

      Dov Henis
      (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com
      ————————————-

      “how species come to be…”

      http://www.sciencenews.org/index/featur … 99s_Wedges
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/07/0 … ome-to-be/

      What drives “species come to be” is what drives all life/organisms to come to be, i.e. a proven successful route, circumstantially evolved culture, that enhanced the RNAs’ constrained energy by the culturally enhanced RNAs’ proliferation, followed with accordingly alternatively spliced expression.

      This is evolution, i.e. enhanced constrained energy to delay-postpone the universal conversion of mass-formats to energy, to the energy that keeps fueling the expansion of the universe. This expansion will be overcome by gravity upon depletion of the universe’s massfuel, and will be followed by empansion for accelerating reverting of energy to mass all the way back to singularity. The universe is an allmass allenergy poles affair.

      Dov Henis
      (comments from 22nd century)
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 … diversity/

      PS:
      – It’s culture that modifies genetics, that changes gene’s expression. NOT vice versa.
      – Epigenetics YOK. Alternative splicing is epiDNAtic, not epigenetic.
      – ALL life is RNAs evolution products. RNAs are Earth’s prime organism.

      DH

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      Update Comprehension Of Universe/Life Evolution, Of RNA/DNA Mismatch-Relationship
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/06/1 … evolution/

      Genome is evolved by-for RNAs, like all other Earth organisms:

      THE National Science And Technology Policy ISSUE In The USA (And Therefore Elsewhere…):

      The early 20th century brief burst of scientific evolution started expiring 90 years ago, at the birth of the "scientists" (what does this mean?) trade-union AAAS. True to the AAAS trade-union interests the scientific evolution has grown into the technology-industrial evolution, with evolved counter-enlightenment, greed culture.

      Re Science Education, it’s about WHAT, not about HOW, is taught.
      "Scientists" tradeunion-politically-controled "science" cannot be advanced/updated regardless of education system…
      See the C signature link…

      Unravel Some Of Nature’s Complexities, A + B + C
      (adnauseam, ad shown where these data-based statements are wrong)

      A.

      UNRAVEL COMPLEXITIES OF GENETICS.
      Extend Evolution/Natural Selection Backward To Genes/Genomes, BOTH ARE ORGANISMS.

      Again, Correct Some Figments Of Science Imagination:

      1. Dark energy and matter YOK. Per E=Total[m(1 + D)] all the energy and matter of the universe are accounted for.
      Adopt space-massdistance concept, mass-to-energy reconversion.

      2. Higgs Particle YOK. Mass forms below some value of the above D.

      3. Galactic clusters formed by conglomeration?
      Galactic clusters formed by Big-Bang’s dispersion, evidenced by their Newtonian behaviour including expansion acceleration.

      4. The universe expansion is fueled by the mass-to-enrgy reconversion. Eventually, as expansion will slow down, will run out of massfuel, gravity will overcome expansion and initiate empansion back to singularity. The universe is a cyclic array of energy-mass dualism, between all-energy and all-mass poles, under omnipresent gravity.

      5. Natural Selection is a trait of organisms, life?
      No. Natural selection is ubiquitous for ALL mass formats, all spin arrays. It derives from the expansion of the universe. All mass formats, regardless of size and type, from black holes to smallest particles, strive to increase their constrained energy in attempt to postpone their own reconversion to energy, to the energy that fuels cosmic expansion.

      6. Life is an enigma?
      Life is just another type of mass array, a self-replicating mass array. Earth life is a replicating RNAs mass. It has always been and still is an RNA world. ALL Earth’s organisms are evolved RNAs, evolved for maintaining-enhancing Earth’s biosphere, for prolonging RNAs survival.

      7. Cells are Earth-life’s primal organisms?
      NO. Earth’s life day one was the day on which RNA began replicating. RNAs, genes, are ORGANISMS. And so are their evolved templates, (RNA and DNA) genomes, ORGANISMS, as evidenced by life’s chirality and by life’s sleep.

      8. Circadian Schmircadian sleep origin?
      Sleep is inherent for life via the RNAs, the primal Earth ORGANISMS originated and originally active only under direct sunlight, in their pre-metabolism genesis era.

      9. Epigenetics are heritable gene functions changes not involving changes in DNA sequence?
      The "heritable or enduring changes" are epiDNAtics, not epigenetics. Alternative splicing is not epigenetics, even if/when not involving alteration of the DNA sequence. Earth life is an RNA world.

      10.Genetics drive biology and culture modifications?
      NO. It is culture that modifies genetics, not genetics that modifies culture. Culture modifies genetics simply via the evolutionary natural selection process of the RNA ORGANISMS. Likewise many natural genetic changes are due to aging and/or circumstantial effects on the genes and/or genomes ORGANISMS, similar to aging and/or evolutionary processes in monocell communities or in multicelled organisms.

      SCIENCE SHOULD UNFREEZE. SCIENCE SHOULD ADJUST ITS VISION, COMPREHENSION AND CONCEPTS.

      Dov Henis
      (Comments From 22nd Century)

      Seed of Human-Chimp Genomes Diversity
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 … diversity/
      03.2010 Updated Life Manifest
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 … -manifest/
      Evolution, Natural Selection, Derive From Cosmic Expansion
      http://darwiniana.com/2010/09/05/the-qu … ists-fear/
      Rethink Evolution/Natural Selection
      http://darwiniana.com/2011/03/29/commen … nt-page-1/

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      B.

      Quantum Mechanics Of Life
      Life’s Evolution Is The Quantum Mechanics Of Biology
      http://universe-life.com/2011/03/27/qua … s-of-life/
      http://universe-life.com/2011/01/24/qua … anglement/

      The universe, and life within it, are not just conglomerations of mechanisms. The universe, and life within it, have come into being by the nature of energy-mass dualism, and their fate, their final outcome, is governed by this dualism. The genesis and, most probable cyclic, existence of the universe are governed by the energy-mass relationship.

      Energy-mass relationship governs also the routes, the mechanisms, of cosmic and life evolutions.

      Mechanisms do not set/determine the classical physics fate states. Mechanisms are routes of evolution between classical physics fate states. Quantum mechanics are mechanisms, probable, possible and actual mechanisms of getting from one to other classical physics states WITHIN the expanse from cosmic singularity to the maximum expanded universe and back to singularity states.

      The universe is the archetype of quantum within classical physics. This is the fractal oneness of the universe. Astronomically there are two physics. A classical Newtonian physics behaviour of and between galactic clusters, and a quantum physics behaviour WITHIN the galactic clusters.

      Life’s Evolution Is The Quantum Mechanics Of Biology.
      UNRAVEL COMPLEXITIES OF GENETICS. Extend Evolution/Natural Selection Backward To Genes/Genomes.
      BOTH ARE ORGANISMS.

      The origin-reason and the purpose-fate of life are mechanistic, ethically and practically valueless. Life is the cheapest commodity on Earth. Human life is just one of many nature’s routes for the natural survival of RNAs, the base Earth organism.

      It is up to humans themselves to elect the purpose and format of their life as individuals and as group-members.

      Dov Henis
      (Comments From 22nd Century)
      Inception And Prevalence Of Western Monotheism
      http://darwiniana.com/2011/04/20/commen … testament/
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      C.

      Adaptation And Genetics
      Identify USA Science Problems
      Enough Is Enough!

      Concluding phrase of "A New Evolutionary History of Primates"
      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 … 172047.htm

      "genetic underpinnings of human adaptation"

      This phrase displays basic ignorance of the relationship between genetics and physiology/system adaptation.
      It should be replaced with "adaptation underpinnings of human genetics".

      UNRAVEL COMPLEXITIES OF GENETICS.
      Extend Evolution/Natural Selection Backward To Genes/Genomes, BOTH ARE ORGANISMS.

      IT IS ADAPTATION (CULTURE) THAT INDUCES GENES’ EXPRESSION MODIFICATION, NOT GENETICS THAT INDUCES ADAPTATION. Modified genetic expression proceeds to energetically favor/enable adaptation.

      Dov Henis
      (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/
      http://universe-life.com/2011/01/25/hop … 1-science/
      http://dovhenis.wordpress.com/2011/07/1 … aaas-help/
      http://universe-life.com/2006/03/13/sci … ifest-scm/

      PS: How have the USA government and nation/public come to allow a plainly obvious ("scientists", whatever it means) trade-union, AAAS, to be involved in a host of national policies and budgets matters? The motives/interests of the AAAS, just another trade-union, are NOT always/necessarily congruent with the nation’s/public welfare and it definitely hinders very effectively advancement of basic science…DH

    • #108385
      ChesneMD
      Participant

      In basic biology, you are taught what constitutes life. DNA would be organic matter and a biotic factor, but it is not alive… Even if you try to bring up any abiogenesis/biopoesis theory. DNA is simply a material used by living organisms. Viruses, also, if you remember, are not alive. That’s really all the argument you need.

    • #113308
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      Origin And Nature Of Earth Life, An Update…

      Liberate your mind from concepts dictated by religious trade-union AAAS.
      1) Life is just another mass format. 2) re-comprehend natural selection. 3) natural selection is ubiquitous, for all mass formats.

      Life Evolves by Naturally Selected Organic Matter
      http://universe-life.com/2011/06/10/upd … evolution/

      EarthLife Genesis From Aromaticity/H-Bonding
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/30/ear … h-bonding/
      September 30, 2011

      A.
      Purines and pyrimidines are two of the building blocks of nucleic acids. Only two purines and three pyrimidines occur widely in nucleic acids.

      B.
      Pyrimidine is a heterocyclic aromatic organic compound similar to benzene and pyridine, containing two nitrogen atoms at positions 1 and 3 of the six-member ring.
      A purine is a heterocyclic aromatic organic compound, consisting of a pyrimidine ring fused to an imidazole ring. Purines, including substituted purines and their tautomers, are the most widely distributed kind of nitrogen-containing heterocycle in nature.
      Aromaticity ( Kekule, Loschmidt, Thiele) is essential for the Krebs Cycle for energy production.

      C.
      Natural selection is E (energy) temporarily constrained in an m (mass) format.

      Natural selection is a universal ubiquitous trait of ALL mass spin formats, inanimate and animate.

      Life began/evolved on Earth with the natural selection of inanimate RNA, then of some RNA nucleotides, then arriving at the ultimate mode of natural selection – self replication.

      Aromaticity enables good constraining of energy and good propensity to hydrogen bonding. The address of Earth Life Genesis, of phasing from inanimate to animate natural selection, is Aromaticity.Hydrogen Bonding.

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/2011/07/10/see … diversity/
      http://universe-life.com/2012/02/03/uni … mpilation/
      tags: life genesis, natural selection, life mass format
      ========================
      Earth Life
      In plain English, not in academEnglish verbiage.

      – Earth life, self-replicating mass format, is just another naturally selected mass format.
      – The primal base organisms of Earth life are the genes, i.e. the RNA nucleotides.
      – All Earth life formats are progenies of genes evolution.
      – Genomes are organisms evolved, and continuously modified, by the genes as their functional templates.
      – Genetics is a progeny of culture, which is reaction to circumstances.
      – The drive and goal of evolution of ALL mass formats is to enhance their energy constraint, to postpone their reconversion to energy, which goes on at constant rate since the Big Bang.

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/30/ear … h-bonding/

    • #113514
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      It takes a change of culture, of the mode of reactions to circumstances, to effect a change of habit. Genetics is the progeny of culture, not vice versa. This applies in ALL fields of human activities, including economy, to ALL personal and social behavioral aspects.

      Since the early 1900’s ALL “science” has been taken over by the Technology Culture of the religious Americans, represented by the trade-union-church AAAS. Plain and simple. There has not been any science in the world since then except “religious-American-science”.

      On the blissful religious science ignorance…:

      USA-World Science Hegemony Is Science Blind

      Since the early 2000s I have been posting many articles on science items surveyed and analyzed by me, without religious background-concepts. I have been doing this because I was deeply disturbed by the religiosity of the 1848-founded AAAS trade-union and by the consequent religious background-tint of its extensive “scientific” publications and activities.

      On my next birthday I’ll be 88-yrs old. I know that I’m deeply engaged in a Don Quixotic mission-war to extricate-free the USA and world Science from the clutches and consequences of the religious-trade-union-church AAAS, adopted strangely by the majority of scientifically ignorant religious god-trusting Americans and by their most other humanity following flocks…

      But I am sincerely confident that only thus it is feasible and possible to embark on a new, rational, Human culture (Scientism) and on new more beneficial and effective technology courses for humanity…

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/
      Energy-Mass Poles Of The Universe
      http://universe-life.com/2012/11/14/701/

    • #115304
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      אבולוציה היא תולדת כח המשיכה

      כל כמות החומר ביקום קבועה מאז החל היקום להשתחזר בפעם האחרונה, מאז ה"אחדיות"האחרונה שלו, מאז גרעין הלידה האחרון של היקום טרום המפץ הגדול האחרון.

      כל תחומי המדע ("דיסציפלינות") נובעים מן, מתחילים ונגמרים, מתפתחים ונמשכים בהכוונת ובמסגרת כח המשיכה. הכל בכל מכל כל ביקום הוא עקב כח המשיכה.

      כל תצורת חומר ביקום קיימת, בגלל וכמו היקום עצמו, בשני מצבים: במצב אינרטי כגון החומר (כנראה הגרוויטונים, החלקיקים היסודיים של היקום) המאוחסן בחורים השחורים ו/או במצב אנרגטי, בתנועה,המסוגל לכן לבצע עבודה. בגלל שניות זו של חומר-אנרגיה קבועה ביקום גם כל כמות האנרגיה.

      מאז המפץ הגדול האחרון מתחולל בכל תצורות החומר ביקום אותו תהליך החוזר ונשנה אשר מתחולל במכלול היקום עצמו : לידה-התפתחות-הישרדות-שיחזור עצמי . על מנת לשרוד ולעבור את כל התהליך חייבת כל תצורת חומר להישמר במתכונת אנרגטית. היות וכמות החומר/אנרגיה ביקום קבועה מתחרות ביניהן כל תצורות החומר על השגת חומר/אנרגיה כי כל תצורת חומר שורדת, פעילה, רק אם הצליחה "לבלוע" אנרגיה. אם אינה "מצליחה" להשיג אנרגיה היא נבלעת ע"י תצורת חומר אחרת ומשמשת לה אנרגיה. אכול או היאכל.

      Evolution Derives From Gravity

      The quantity of mass in the universe is constant since the universe started its last self-replication, since its last singularity, its last pre-big bang re-birth conception.

      All Science Disciplines derive from, start and end, evolve and survive in the direction and manner set by the framework of gravity, the monotheism of the universe. All things, everything in the universe, derive from the gravity of the universe. Every mass format exists, like the universe itself, in one of two states: in an inert state like the material (most probably the gravitons, the elementary particles of the universe) stored in black holes, and in an energetic state, in motion therefore capable of performing work. Due to this mass-energy dualism also the quantity of energy in the universe is constant.

      Since the last big-bang all mass formats undergo the same cyclic sequence like the universe itself i.e. birth – evolution – survival – replication. In order to survive and to repeat this sequence every mass format must remain in an energetic state. And since the universe mass/energy quantity is constant there is a melee for it by all mass formats, and the unlucky formats are swallowed and digested by the luckier mass formats.
      It’s indeed, in fact, an eat or be eaten universe…

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/
      http://universe-life.com/2011/07/13/gre … evolution/

      ============================================================
      THE GREAT science feat in 2013 על מהות ומקור היקום

      The 2013 gravity comprehension/definition is the greatest science feat since the early 1920s.

      Learn what, scientifically, natural gravity is and what evolution is.
      Think of the consequences re classical science of this comprehension of gravity…

      איך נברא היקום יש מאין
      Origin And Nature of the Universe, the greatest science feat since the early 1920s.

      New Science 2013 versus classical science.
      Classical Science Is Anticipated/Replaced By The 2013 Gravity Comprehension !!!

      http://universe-life.com/2014/02/24/gravity/

      Attn classical science hierarchy, including Darwin and Einstein…
      “I hope that now you understand what gravity is and why it is the monotheism of the universe…” DH
      =================================
      Gravity is the natural selection of self-attraction by the elementary particles of an evolving system on their cyclical course towards the re- self-replication of the system. Period
      ( Gravitons are the elementary particles of the universe. RNA nucleotides genes and serotonin are the elementary particles of Earth life)

      כח המשיכה
      כח המשיכה הוא הבחירה הטבעית להיצמדות הדדית של חלקיקי היסוד של מערכת מתפתחת במהלך התפתחותה המחזורית לעבר שיכפולה. נקודה
      ( הגרוויטון הוא חלקיק היסוד של היקום. הגנים, הנוקלאוטידים של חומצה ריבונוקלאית, והסרוטונין, הם החלקיקים היסודיים של חיי כדור הארץ)

      Dov Henis(comments from 22nd century)

      http://universe-life.com/2013/11/14/sub … s-science/
      http://universe-life.com/2013/09/03/the … ed-theory/
      http://universe-life.com/2013/09/30/sci … -religion/

      PS: Note, again:

      – Classical Science Is Anticipated/Replaced By The 2013 Gravity Comprehension !!!

      – Think of the consequences re classical science of this comprehension of gravity…

      DH
      נ.ב. הבנת מהות כח המשיכה מספקת בסיס הגיוני מפשט/צפוי/מתקן לכל מגזרי ורכיבי המדע הקלסי.
      יש פה אי- ניצול של הזדמנות/אפשרות של ישראל להדיח באלגנטיות מתורבתת את ארה"ב מעמדתה בעולם כמוליכה/המקבעת של עדר ה"מדענים/מדע" באמצעות האיגוד המקצועי האמריקאי הדתי של ה"מדענים", ולתפוס את עמדת ההולכה/פיתוח/הובלה של המדע 2013 החדש המשתדרג, ולהפוך את המדע האמריקאי לגרורה של המדע הישראלי. אי-ניצול זה הוא מחדל מדעי וכלכלי מטומטם /עלוב/מביש של ישראל.

      דה(הארות מהמאה ה-22)
      =============================================================================

      What would the human world be without god, or without science
      (May 1/ 3 2014)

      Scientifically natural gravity is the monotheism of the universe.

      The reverence- to- god- tradition, religion of the present Western culture, was introduced by Abraham (2117-1942 BCE) from the Casdites-Babylonians, in whom it was evoked by the sight of the apparently "praying" palm trees, with their palm-like leaves, rewarded with "God’s gift", in Persian "Bagdad" (bag=god, dad=dat hence date-fruit, data= given/gift. This reverence-culture/ tradition was re- adopted by the Jews exiled into Babylonia (586 BCE) , and later adopted also by the Persians who conquered the Babylonian empire, and later adopted also by Alexander , who conquered the Persian empire, and later adopted also by the Greeks and finally adopted from the Greeks also by the Romans and by their following Western world heritage…

      – What would a world without god look like?
      – What would a world without science look like?

      Science = knowledge about or study of the natural world based on facts learned through experiments and observation

      God = the perfect and all-powerful spirit or being that is worshipped especially by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as the one who created and rules the universe
      a spirit or being that has great power, strength, knowledge, etc., and that can affect nature and the lives of people.
      : one of various spirits or beings worshipped in some religions.

      Science and god are incompatible. Incompatible.

      The present world is a god-believer scienceless world, conducted by ruthlessly competing-for- energy interests , with consequent catastrophes to humanity…

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/
      http://universe-life.com/2006/03/12/inc … onotheism/

    • #115469
      supersapien
      Participant

      That is very interesting information. Can you give references?

    • #115471
      Dov Henis
      Participant
      quote supersapien:

      That is very interesting information. Can you give references?

      The references, again:

      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century, one of the many humans with highly exaggerated self-esteem)
      http://universe-life.com/

    • #115697
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      It is unbelievable that in 2015 there are humans who ask if DNA is an organism, a living material format… do they also ask if a gene is an organism, a living format?

      Search "The Difference Between The Universe And Earthlife Cyclic Evolutions" Dov Henis,
      April 18, 2015

      A. The Universe And Earthlife Cyclic Evolutions : Whence, whither and how nature drives life/humanity מאין ,לאן ואיך מוביל הטבע את החיים/האנושותGravity is the monotheism of the universe
      (Hebrew and English)
      September 15, 2014
      Whence, whither and how nature drives life/humanity
      מאין ,לאן ואיך מוביל הטבע את החיים/האנושות
      Again, The Universe/ Life Relationship, embarrassingly obvious/simple elucidation…

      B. The Difference Between The Universe And Earthlife Re-Cyclic Evolutions
      April 18, 2015
      Earthlife re-cyclic evolutions are innately evolutionary genome-based memory-continuums, whereas the universe re-cyclic evolutions ( approx. every 20 billion years) are each fresh, completely devoid of earlier memory, dual-poles mass-energy systems.
      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century, one of the many humans with highly exaggerated self-esteem)
      http://universe-life.com/
      Earth Life Genesis
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/30/ear … h-bonding/
      Seed Of Human-Chimp Genomes Diversity
      http://universe-life.com/2011/07/10/see … diversity/
      Genetics is modifications of genome’s expressions in response to cultural variations, i.e. to behavioral modifications in response to circumstantial variations. DH
      ומערך הכסף והבנקאות הם התחכמות האדם לדרישת הטבע להצטיד באנרגיה ולהשתמש בה להישרדות… דה
      Beyond historical concepts natural selection is E (energy) temporarily constrained in an m (mass) format. Period.
      Money/banking system is the system-based human circumvention of nature’s drive of the ruthless natural selection melee… DH

    • #115706
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      Relearn and re-comprehend basest science basics:

      The Difference Between The Universe And Earthlife Cyclic Evolutions
      April 18, 2015
      A. The Universe And Earthlife Cyclic Evolutions : Whence, whither and how nature drives life/humanity מאין ,לאן ואיך מוביל הטבע את החיים/האנושותGravity is the monotheism of the universe
      (Hebrew and English)
      September 15, 2014
      Whence, whither and how nature drives life/humanity
      מאין ,לאן ואיך מוביל הטבע את החיים/האנושות
      Again, The Universe/ Life Relationship, embarrassingly obvious/simple elucidation…

      B. The Difference Between The Universe And Earthlife Re-Cyclic Evolutions
      April 18, 2015
      Earthlife re-cyclic evolutions are innately evolutionary genome-based memory-continuums, whereas the universe re-cyclic evolutions (approx each 20 billion, 20X10^9,years ) are each fresh, completely devoid of earlier memory via singularity, dual- poles mass-energy systems.
      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century, one of the many humans with highly exaggerated self-esteem)
      http://universe-life.com/
      Earth Life Genesis
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/30/ear … h-bonding/
      Seed Of Human-Chimp Genomes Diversity
      http://universe-life.com/2011/07/10/see … diversity/
      Genetics is modifications of genome’s expressions in response to cultural variations, i.e. to behavioral modifications in response to circumstantial variations. DH
      ומערך הכסף והבנקאות הם התחכמות האדם לדרישת הטבע להצטיד באנרגיה ולהשתמש בה להישרדות… דה
      Beyond historical concepts natural selection is E (energy) temporarily constrained in an m (mass) format. Period.
      Money/banking system is the system-based human circumvention of nature’s drive of the ruthless natural selection melee… DH

    • #115766
      Dov Henis
      Participant

      The ONLY scientific elucidation/implications of gravitation are by Dov Henis
      The Difference Between The Universe And Earthlife Cyclic Evolutions
      April 18, 2015
      A. The Universe And Earthlife Cyclic Evolutions : Whence, whither and how nature drives life/humanity מאין ,לאן ואיך מוביל הטבע את החיים/האנושותGravity is the monotheism of the universe
      (Hebrew and English)
      September 15, 2014
      Whence, whither and how nature drives life/humanity
      http://universe-life.com/2014/09/15/aga … ationship/
      מאין ,לאן ואיך מוביל הטבע את החיים/האנושות
      Again, The Universe/ Life Relationship, embarrassingly obvious/simple elucidation…

      B. The Difference Between The Universe And Earthlife Re-Cyclic Evolutions
      April 18, 2015
      Earthlife re-cyclic evolutions are temporary components of the universe re-cyclic evolution, innately evolutionary genome-based memory-continuums, whereas the universe re-cyclic evolutions (approx each 20 billion, 20X10^9,years ) are each fresh, completely devoid of earlier memory due to/ via singularity, dual- poles mass-energy systems.
      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century, one of the many humans with highly exaggerated self-esteem)
      http://universe-life.com/
      Earth Life Genesis
      http://universe-life.com/2011/09/30/ear … h-bonding/
      Seed Of Human-Chimp Genomes Diversity
      http://universe-life.com/2011/07/10/see … diversity/
      Genetics is modifications of genome’s expressions in response to cultural variations, i.e. to behavioral modifications in response to circumstantial variations. DH
      ומערך הכסף והבנקאות הם התחכמות האדם לדרישת הטבע להצטיד באנרגיה ולהשתמש בה להישרדות… דה
      Beyond historical concepts natural selection is E (energy) temporarily constrained in an m (mass) format. Period.
      Money/banking system is the system-based human circumvention of nature’s drive of the ruthless natural selection melee… DH
      =================
      על המחדל המדעי-כלכלי של ישראל מנובמבר 2013
      מדברי מנכ’לית אינטל ישראל (שותפה למחדל) : "חייבים ללמוד לחשוב..".
      ,ללמוד לחשוב? בישראל? במדינת החיקוי הנלעג של התרבות האמריקאית?
      להלן דוגמת החיקוי העלובה מנובמבר 2013, ממועד ההבנה בישראל של המהות והמשמעות של כח המשיכה ביקום :
      From
      http://universe-life.com/2014/07/11/com … odscience/

      PS: Note, again:
      – Classical Science Is Anticipated/Replaced By The 2013 Gravity Comprehension !!!
      – Think of the consequences re classical science of this comprehension of gravity…
      DH
      נ.ב. הבנת מהות כח המשיכה מספקת בסיס הגיוני מפשט/צפוי/מתקן לכל מגזרי ורכיבי המדע הקלסי.
      יש פה אי- ניצול של הזדמנות/אפשרות של ישראל להדיח באלגנטיות מתורבתת את ארה”ב מעמדתה בעולם כמוליכה/המקבעת של עדר ה”מדענים/מדע” באמצעות האיגוד המקצועי האמריקאי הדתי של ה”מדענים”, ולתפוס את עמדת ההולכה/פיתוח/הובלה של המדע 2013 החדש המשתדרג, ולהפוך את המדע האמריקאי לגרורה של המדע הישראלי. אי-ניצול זה הוא מחדל מדעי וכלכלי מטומטם /נלעג/מביש של ישראל….
      דב הניס (הארות מהמאה ה-22)
      Dov Henis (comments from 22nd century)
      http://universe-life.com/

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