Hi CC: Sorry to hear about your situation!! Have you been to the Lymbusters site? Everyone there is sooo helpful. Please do not be turned off by some of the crazy symptoms you will read about. This is a horrible thing to have to deal with, especially with your hectic schedule. I do have some suggestions to begin with. GET RID OF YOUR PLANTS. Some people believe that collembola is a vector. They live in soil and mulch. Could be major culprit. As for flies. I understand. You must get rid of them. There is not much you can do about the dust. I would try to stay on top of it, though. It seems to me if I dust in a.m. by afternoon you could not even tell it was done. This is one of the hallmarks I have found. Again, I am sorry to hear about yet another person suffering from this bizarre syndrome. The people at lymebusters are always willing to help you. A great bunch of people. TC, BARZ

I’m certain you people have heard this subject at nauseum …. but it’s very new to me — so I’m really asking for help.

I took my dog to the vet, and they gave her a shot of Ivomec for “rabbit mites”. My daughter in law just butchered the last of several hundred rabbits, and just moved way out into the country into an old trailer that stood abandoned for 7 years. She just moved in — didn’t clean or anything (YUCK!). I saw her and her husband over the holidays, and the word “scratching” doesn’t begin to cover it, but hey claim it’s b/c they’re running a wood-burning stove.

She now has 27 dogs (where I got mine) for breeding purposes, shoved into a a filthy and small garage. Needless to say — her “kennel” is NOT licensed. I called to tell her about what the vet had to say, but she is in total denial — it didn’t come form her place. How sorry I feel for those poor dogs!!!

I now have ourageously itchy red bumps under my breasts. Ahaa! A true symptom to deal with! — So the possibility of scabies is a viable threat that I can manage. I called my usual physician (forget the dermatologist!), and Qwell and Ivomec is ordered.

In the meantime, I have been cleaning my fool butt off. I’ve gotten rid of about 90 plants (that really hurts! I’ve grown some of them for up to 20 years), and the rest have been dosed heavily with malathion. My king-sized bed has been literally disassembled and cleaned (and sprayed) with the stuff as well. Plastic mattress covers and pillow cases, all covers, sheets and comforters washed daily. Tonight, my husband and I dose with the RX stuff, and tomorrow, the house will be bug-bombed to smithereens.

Now, I’m begging you guys … am I missing anything?? I do not want to jump to conclusions like Morgelllons if there is a simple and viable answer to the problem. Insecticides are not my typical answer, either — I prefer a more natural approach: which has worked up ’til now.

The last isssue for peace of mind is the parrot: what do I use for mite control that is safe for him? I need all bases covered, b/c I really don’t think my sanity can handle this ordeal again. Of course, there’s still the issue of how to deal with the step-daughter. ?????

In closing, I would like to apologize for my previous frenzied posts. It pretty much relfects my period of hopelessness …. but it doesn’t gather much help, either. Barz — I would especially like to thank you. If this isn’t scabies, I may try that avenue, but for now, I’m attemtiing to assuage my nerves and pray that I’m dealing with something treatable.

THANK YOU!!!!

not quite so crazy!!

Dear Studious and CrazyCrawlin’:

I’ve been afflicted with collembola for about a year. I am convinced, as many are on this site, that collembola is a separate from Morgellon’s or Fiber Disease.

First a little about these little monsters. I have loads of info but here’s a summary:

> they are 395 million years old, exist in thousands of species most of which many biogists believe have yet to be discovered leaving bioligists painfully clueless of what they might be capable
> they make up one of the earth’s most important decomposers and are widely considered to be beneficial overall
> human collembola infestations have been documented since the ’50s but remain largely unacknowledged by the medical establishment, labeled immediately as delusional parasitosis, as you experienced
> collembola can jump up to 5-6 cm, unlike scabies which can only crawl slowly
> they can live for up to a year, their eggs indefinitely
> they are frequently confused with other ailments
> they are entirely dependent upon moisture and I’ve read do not reproduce below 70% humidity (this is KEY). Therefore anything which disrupts their ability to stay hydrated (like salts) seems to battle them effectively.
> they have a collembole which is a suction cup thing on their abdomen which I believe they use to adhere, breathe and possibly feed on human skin
> they generate a crusty mucous coating over themselves which makes them WAY harder to kill
> they breathe air but can go without for up to 18 hrs
> they are everywhere in our environment in all climates and continents, anywhere there is organic matter, mold, fungus, or feces
> they reproduces in a coordinated fashion readily distinguishing themselves from scabies, which do not. Collembola will reproduce to create 100s of simultaneous bites resulting in a raised bumpy rash.
> they have very sharp claws which leaves trails on my skin (although not initially, this fun started only recently). When disrupted they “bite”. I have a mantra, the more it hurts the more that are dying. They can cause extreme pain.
> they do not need you as a host. They can and do live anywhere there is moisture and organic matter on which to feed (including each other)
> You have to keep yourself from being “seen” by them as a food or a place to reproduce. I believe a damaged immune system, yeast overgrowth or toxic buildups make certain people (like me) susceptible.
> they are not necessarily contagious.

On to treatment….

First, consult with the national treatment experts at Q-based solutions out of LA. They have a complete protocol guide available online:
http://www.guaranteed-scabies-cure.com/eguide/

The Rx solutions don’t work and I believe can worsen your condition by increasing your bodies toxic overload. They are only pesticides and already scientifically proven to be ineffective against sarcoptes scabies– and collembola are MUCH tougher eradicate.

I’ll let you look at the collembola eradication advice on the link above, here’s what q-based material doesn’t (or can’t) say:

> Use their antiseptic spray on your environment everywhere AND directly on your skin. That’s what the staff uses so I, like them, go for the stronger treatment.
>I’ll emphasize importance of dehumidifying, especially in bedroom and bath areas. If you think your bathroom is infested, believe me it definitely IS.
>Trust your instincts. When you feel them biting you, they are living in that space – TREAT IT IMMEDIATELY.
> Wash everything in hot water with BORAX. I would wash bedding twice and put in hot dryer for 60+ minutes.
> comforters are a losing battle, I think I have to toss mine – fyi
> Focus on your bed. This is critical. Your mattress may need to be replaced but at least ‘bag it’ in a zippered PLASTIC mattress cover. Wash sheets everynight and be sure to spray the entire bed with disinfectant before you put on clean bedding.
> treat all fabric covered upholstery (cars, couches, chairs)
> the diatomaceous earth mud packs work
> collembola are also killed by bleach, ammonia and Tea tree oil
> I have had great success with strong, hot and long EPSOM SALT BATHS. Collembola are poisoned by sulfur so the magnesium sulfate is highly effective. It visibly dissolves the crust over the lesions which protect them from the surface treatments. It also pulls the toxins left by the decaying bodies, fecal matter and most importantly the sperm which needs to be washed away to reduce reproduction.

> I use topical treatment with liquid bandage products. I paint the “active” lesions. This reduces infections because 1) it immobilizes the live bugs 2) reduces or prevents air flow (they breathe air) essentially suffocating them (but this can take 18 hrs!) and most importantly it seems to seal the lesion to inhibit the other springtail buddies from spelling the pheromones which attract them 4) it sterilizes the wound and promotes healing.

> Consider an anti-candida regimen since collembola are fungirous (sp?) feeding on any mold or fungus in their environment. This is why house plants attract them — moist moldy soil yum yum they say. Note many treatments are not particularly effective, try the bentonite + pysilliam SEED powder + Caproyl treatment, available from a number of sources including wholeapproach.com.

> Lastly, understand that getting rid of these things takes multiple approaches. Whenever I lay off in one area they start raging back at me — only a multi-pronged approach seems to work.

I have learned so much in my struggle with this and if I had this information when I first discovered my infestation the collembola would not have had the chance to infest me as they have. PLEASE do yourselves a favor and JUMP on this as soon as possible.

Best of luck to you!
Hope this helps.
ddx

ddx:

Thank you soo much for your time and effort. My nerves are geting increasingly shattered as medical advice continuouslly proves useless. My last encounter rendered a diagnosis of "electrical, chemical imbalance," and I was placed on Potassium and ordered to wash my hair for 10 daus with Neutrogena T-Gel. I was also place on Bactrim for 3 days and then ordered to resume after 7 days (it does have sulphur). However, I am VERY prone to yeast infections, and have reported for years that my first symptom of such is a crawly, webby feeling on my scalp and hands. I generally call in a request for Diflucan — and that helps for a short period.

I think it’s worse than ever — and school starts on Wed!

I have cleaned and cleaned, and even washed clothes with Malathion — I’ll be accepting your advice on the Borax! The bathroom (very large!) was cleaned with a solution of bleach, ammonia, AND malathion … and all plants have been eradicated.(there were 22). My home has been OVERLY bug-bombed.

Although wireless internet is soon available, I am now on dial-up — and thus cannot get most of the pics on your recommended website to download. Although I do itch profusely, and am finding the brown marks all over me, I have found no one else that mentions their hair wiggling and jumping. Does this happen to you?? And If

I will be taking your advice and obtaining some of these products. As I write, my hair is saturated with olive oi[ — AND if I have a "chemical imablance", why is my dog’s hair behaving the same way?????

I soo appreciate your input, and will be referring to it and your recommended sites regularly. I cannot live this way … and my patients don’t deserve it!!!

BTW: I just had a new granddaughter delivered yesterday, and I’m afraid to hold her. This crap is getting pathetic!!!

Another note: Barz: Perhaps "traditional" isn’t the mode to go!!!

Dear Studious,

Congratulations on your new granddaughter! I’m glad to hear some of the info is helpful. To answer a couple of your questions…

No, I do not see my hair wiggling and jumping. This sounds more like what I’ve read about people with Morgellon’s disease, rather than collembola. Rabbit Mites? Hmmm…. From what I’ve read most of the typical animal mites will bite humans but don’t typically reproduce on human skin. That said, Q-based counselors have told me multiple times to treat my cat, who does not seem infested but I have to wonder if her sleeping on my pillow every night (for 15 years) is one of the factors in my re-infestations.

As an FYI, the Q-based solutions disinfectent is simply benzalkonium chloride which is what hospitals use and surgical staff use prior to surgery (perhaps you’re familiar with it?).

As for holding your new grand-daughter, I was in a similar situation when a friend visited with her infant. It was nerve wracking but I kept my skin sterilized and my lesions covered with liquid bandage stuff and long sleeve shirts on. I don’t believe any of these critters can readily penetrate multiple layers of fabric unless you have close contact for a number of hours. Even after a weekend with me in my house, the baby was fine.
Obviously a newborn will be swaddled so if I were you I wouldn’t deprive yourself of such an important life event.

Another source of treatment ideas is from a Dr. Schwartz out of AZ. He told the Q-based people to try antibacterial herbs such as wormwood extract, extract of cloves (which are the nastiest tasting stuff you can imagine) and black walnut. I have been on these for about 6 weeks and it does seem to help significantly. As I said before, no single treatment seems to work, the "shotgun" approach to get them from multiple angles is your only hope…sounds like you’re doing this.

Have you read about that bacteria in certain biofilms typically found on equipment used for feeding tubes and severely ill patients could be responsible for this infection? One of the most disturbing aspects of this is that I believe medical staff, especially those in nursing homes, are EXTREMELY vulnerable.

Best of luck to you, Studious!

ddx

Studious, Yes! I do have the brown spots and also the crawling and moving hair. Go to Wal mart get some Pomade de Azure in the first aid section. It is a small plastic jar with yellow label. It says it is for acne. This helps on the skin. Tea tree oil, borax, sea salt and/or epsom salt can help too( use in bath or spray on yourself as needed). You will have a VERY HARD time getting any kind of diagnosis, other than you are crazy. For the hair, I have found that tea tree shampoo with peppermint helps. (Super cuts sells one by Paul Mitchell). Start taking MSM vitamins. This has really helped slow down the itching for me. I hear the trick is to keep switching products for best results. If yeast is a major problem, There have been many people at lymebusters who claim an anti-candida diet (available online free) is extremely helpful. I try to avoid sugar, but have medical issues which do not allow me to do the full diet. I really do suggest you join the board there. The people will help you out so much. Congratulations on the GD. I have a little one of my own, too, who does show signs of having this nightmare along with me. As do several of my direct family members. I would be cautious around baby, as I do believe it is contagious. Take care. Barz

Barz,

Thanks soo much for the validation regarding the hair — I wa beginning to actually believe the DOP thing! — though that’s hard to do when others are witnessing hairs take on lives of their own!

I’ve been to the Lyme site, but haven’t fully navigated yet. My Christmas break was short — esp. wiith all the cleaning and debugging going on (I also have a huge packet of homework to get completed by Wed.: thank goodness I’m almost done!) Is there a message board on the Lyme site as well?

I find myself relying heavily on what I read here: esp. when I begin to question my own sanity. I’m truly sorry others are facing this, but it is comforting to know that I am not alone.

I am having a specific quandry. My hair has really taken a beating throughout this ordeal, and I have ends that have split as far as 3" up. It is in desperate need of a trim. I’m reluctant to go to a salon at this point — but I do need to maintain some type of professional appearance. My hair is almost to my waist: I’m seriously considering a short style, but will that make the condition more obvious? …How do you handle this scenario?

Bless you for the help! — I think a trip to WalMart and GNC is in the cards!!!!

Still crazy … but attempting to extract the Studious!

Barz,

OMG!! I’ve been to the Lymebusters site, looked around, and filled out the survey: what the Hell is going on????!! Yes, I am relieved to know that I am not the only one experiencing this crazy syndrome, but it certainly seems that with soo many — something would happen!!!

I sincerely thank you for sending me there, but I guess I now have a sense of hopelessness. How will I ever be able to mask these symptoms and maintain for another year and a half of school?? This crap is making me crazy (along with milllions of others), and judging from the looks of things: it isn’t going to better any time soon. Should I even be in school? Or am I a walking infestation??

Anyway, I’ve spent several hours on the site, and I will do my part with petitions, surveys, research, etc. Maybe together we can figure something out! In the meantine, the Serenity Prayer is about my best answer.

Here’s Hoping That Knowledge CAN Make a Difference!!!

studious

Studious, Yes I do know the sense of hopelessness. I have been suffering with this since the summer. I do not know what to tell you about going to school. If you go to a doctor, you will most likely be called crazy. Thats what is going on with this. NO ONE says that it is contagious in the medical field, however, I believe differently. In fact, this is not even considered a disease yet. There really is no official name for it. It is basically your call. But please rely on the people there. They will offer you alot of advice in any situation. It seems that they are making headway though. Just not enough people with the right qualifications doing the research. Its the people with the disease mostly doing the work. I am glad you found the board and wish you good luck and good health!

I recently have experienced similar symptoms as you state.
Not the movement, but the crawling sensations and a feeling
of mites in my hair and on my face.
(in my nostrils and ear holes)

I have not told my doctor about it as I have read many horror
stories and have had annoying reactions from my doctor before.

I also read about a Dr. Swartz who has found a bacteria in many
patients blood, and uses antibiotics to cure the bacteria before the
infestation is able to be dealt with. I’m not sure if his findings
apply to me, but I hope to try to use them when I can get around
to ordering the supplies and convincing a doctor to test me for the
bacteria. So far I’ve made 1 attempt to ask a doctor to test me
and he said I’d been reading too much, before I got to the part
where I explained my symptoms and why I was asking for the
test.

Anyhow, I’m tired of this annoying condition and hope I will
be able to rid myself of it soon.

Skipbait,

read all you can on this. go to Lymebusters and look for the Morgellons threads.

go to http://www.crossinglines.net
and see video.

go to http://www.morgellons.org and register.

help us find out what this is.

Skytroll

Regarding the fibers found in the lesions. I recall about 10 years
ago having a plantars wart on my foot. If anyone is familiar with
plantars warts, they grow inward with roots in the foot. They are
difficult to get rid of, but none the less I succeeded in ridding
myself of it.

But I also recall seeing black root like fibers within the wart as
I would dig it out daily and apply the killing poison liquid. I
had always thought what a nightmare it would be to have such
an inward growing wart on another part of my body. These
fiber / lesions you are describing remind me a great deal of
the plantars wart I had on my foot.

I wonder if they are related.

I have just stumbled across your dillema… Spring Tail (aka Collembola):

First things first… stop watering your plants in doors! It is probably why you have the problem with it. They eat fungus, especially yeast. I have found that running an air purifier helps tremendously. Keep your living environment dry and as dust free as possible… Dust mites and Spring Tail will be trapped by the collection grid of the air purifier. Vacuum every thing daily and wash your bedding in BORAX, HOT WATER AND NEVER USE A TOWEL MORE THAN ONCE!

Second – get a bottle of Bio-Kleen Bac-Out Enzyme Cleaner. It’s marketed for laundry however, it’s perfectly safe to use on your skin. Run a bath with wam – hot water and add a cup to your bath.

Third – start eating yogurt on a daily basis. This will kill any yeast in your digestive track, thereby minimizing the amount excreted through your pores.

Spring Tail Infestation is very real, no matter what the uninfested think! 💡

hello
yes,they are real
that is an other theory I am looking in to.
and borax has the same effect as vinegar due ti acidity.
this organism can not propagate well in acidic enviroment.
that has been my observation. And springtails are infesting my daufghters house plant and we are thinking there is some conection here to our morgellons.
thankyou for posting
Lynne

Linn:
I had spent thousands of dollars being told I was delusional and it was not until I started researching the possibility of parasites that I started getting some relief. Nature provides balance and I am certain there is a natural solution to this ever distressing problem. I am actually seeing the results and they are remarkable.

I have been having great success with Enzyme Baths… Both Bio-Kleen "BAC-OUT" and Natural Ginesis "Kleen Free’ Enzymes in particular are very helpful… not to mention both kill fungus and yeast in addition to helping clean up insect infestation.

Additionally, I had started a candida detaox regime, along with taking Neem Leaf capsules. Neem Leaf (is a natural antifungal, antibacterial, pro and antibiotic and a natural insecticide (it stops the insects from being able to reproduce).

I have recently considered getting a scuba tank and going to ocean, sitting under the salt water. My certification class is next week. I will let you all know how that works out.

My advice is stop looking to doctors, they are paid by the pharmaceutical companies to treat symptoms and not disease.

Leah

Leah,
thank you for the tips.
I have reviewed the site of spring tail (collombolla)
The insects on her plants look just like thrips larvae stage.. In fact that is what we thought they were.
However we have been unable to erradicate them with the usual pesticides.
even malathion did not work. we are stumped.
I would try borax or vinegar but that would kill the plants. 😥

I told my daughter to throw them out, but they are her "babys"
she has hundreds of plants.. beautiful and expensive orchids etc.
lynne

PS: edited:
just wanted to note that I have never had one of these collembolla on me. I am just discussing because I think there is more than one vector of this disease.
the insect that I have found is still unknown I have not been able to ID it.

I have extra slides of the thrip look alikes or whatever if any one would like to recieve via mail PM me if you are interested.

Insects in general have become highly resistent to pesticides and are proliferating (edit

I am not familar with this infection, however my sympathy for those who do suffer from it. I noticed Springtails were mentioned. I really do not think that they are the etiological agent but here are some photographs for you to ponder. The first is a Springtail without fibers, the second with. Both photographs taken using a Meiji EMZ-13TR Stereomicroscope equipped with a Sony DSC-W5 digital camera @ 5 megapixel. Magnification approximately 35X, laboratory environment, found among the leaves of common moss.

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There were lots of fungal hyphae where these springtails were found. Your condition may be a fungal infection. I would be calling on a Mycologist instead of a regular physician. It seems you may be beating the wrong bush. But what do I know. 🙂 OBTW, I own the copyrights to those images!

Hi Ken, 🙂
thank you for your inPut and for joining us.

Yes, I agree with you.
have suggested many times that I believe that is the most possible explanation. I provided many links on the other thread too.
Many of the symptoms are the same ie lesions, itch etc…

And thank you for suggesting the specialist I was not aware there was such. I will see if there is one in Boston.
You nentioned fibers.
Ken do you have a theory about the fibers?
Respectfully,
Lynne

would the fibers be the structure of hyphae?

are those your colombolla pets? 😆 😆 😆 😛
The bottom one is a strange color blue.
I have never seen these spingtails before.
how did you ever find that?

Ps Ken what do I need to do to post pictures like that? I am not very computer savy, sorry to say. 😳
unless my daughter helps me I am lost. And then I forget what she tells me. I have to write it down. Plus, having AOL doesnt help.
I am only good with windows, excel that kind of stuff. 😆

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This is The official case definition for morgellons disease:

http://morgellons.org/casedef.html

There are many different species of Colomoblla. Some larger some smaller all have different colours, morphology varies slightly among them. I run across them all the time in my microscopic explorations. 😀

To post images, all you have to do is click on "browse" at the bottom of your message reply screen. A window will open to your computer files. Select the appropriate file such as; "My Pictures." Double click on the image you want to attach or add to your reply. You will not see it until you click on "preview" or after having submitted your reply. Simple 😀 Now some forums do not have an image uploader so you would have to do it manually by typing in the location yourself from a web host server. 😀

As for the structure of the fibers. I can only guess. I would not try to diagnose something I know nothing about. I only noticed your comment on the springtails and thought of the fibers and the photographs I have amassed of various micro organisms. There are so many little things yet to be discovered, maybe one day I will discover a new speices. 😀 It is quite probable you know. I have no theory as to what the fibers may be. I noticed some gentlemen in the Morgellons Update thread seemed to be sensibly hashing out some things. I thought that was interesting. 😉

Ken,

Thank you for telling how to post I will try it.
Dah,to me, I never thought of that! :oops:I feel so 😳 😆 😆

that would be very exciting to find a new species.
Abd someone like you is more apt to find it because you are out there always looking.

Ken I rspect your opinion.
PM me as to those who are making sense if you wouldnt mind.
I would like to go back and review their comments.

and hello to all.

Lynne

I’m writing the same thing here too: Save your impostant info/suggestions.
We are planning to leave just the original thread. This is too much. Thank you.

HELLO ALL

I HAD A VERY BAD DAY AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE THE MOST PRODUCTIVE YET, ALL AT THE SAME TIME…

I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER THIS WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, BUT I ACTUALLY FOUND A SPECIMEN AND IT IS NOT SPRING TAIL… IT’S AN ADULT FEMALE WHIP WORM. NOW THE UNIVERSE MAKES SENSE TO ME. THE INTENSE ITCHING HAS ALWAYS BEEN WORSE NEAR AND DURING THE FULL MOON. AS DIFFICULT AS IT IS TO ADMIT, I HAVE THE PROOF ON AN AVERY LABEL WHICH WAS THE ONLY THING I HAD HANDY AT THE TIME. CALLING ALL CARS HERE. ❗ 😯 😀

Schreeeeeeeeeeeeeech.

Wow, How do you know that is what it is?

DON"T lose it. Your best bet would be to have a vet look at it. I have wondered about those things, but, did you find it on your skin?

Don’t leave it with anyone, that was my problem when I found what looked like a strongyloid. They threw it away.

Put in a jar. There is something about that ruled that out for me though, let me look and see what I have.

Skytroll

However we have been unable to erradicate them with the usual pesticides.
even malathion did not work. we are stumped.

(edit[/quote] Lynne please be careful. I know people become desperate and just want "IT" gone but pesticde use has only made things much worse for sufferers. Check out an ‘MSDS’
sheet for malathion. Take care

Standby

that is a really good picture!!! do you have any more? can you tell us where you found it?

thanks,
south

I’m leaving this-for now- for you to discuss as this topic seems more active than the others.
And I repeat: Save your info if you want to post again.
Regards,

Poison

OK
the other topic will be deleted.
Here is Cliffs post:

: fiber flukes

Hello Cliff:
I’ll be brief. I remember reading you were working on a protocol to get the callus to break down for flukes’ hooks to let go.
is it working? can you share yet?

God Bless
-R

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Greetings, R:

Yes, we are having some success with attacking the pseudo-callus. The neutralization of this primary defense perimeter is of utmost importance. We are currently experimenting with a chemical compound that appears to have strong solvent properties and attacks the bonds holding the callus across its entire matrix.

As is the propensity of this rather bizarre organism, it mimics many normal human biological functions and system responses.

This annoying and misleading proclivity is one that I have documented often in nearly all my posts on the subject.

The Morgellon’s life form(s) does the job of bio-function imitation so well that it is often nearly impossible for the unwary or inexperienced eye to detect the fraud. Often many are medical professionals find themselves baffled as a result.

Hence, the callus displays the underside "hooks" that mimic what are known as karatotic plugs, (also common in Lupus and in "impacted" calluses")

Protected beneath the shield of the "callus" is often found a very unusual class of large microbe. This particular creature has yet to be fully identified but suffice to say that it is highly aerobic and hence susceptible to the attack of compounds such as H2o2. (Hydrogen Peroxide)

However, the peroxide cannot do its job if it is blocked from contact with the (catalase) positive bacteria.

Therefore the removal or neutralization of the callus is a high priority. The compounds we have been experimenting with at this point in time appear to contain unspecified proportions of the following two prime ingredients, both of which can be hazardous.

These compounds, (as best as we can determine at this point) appear to be Trichloroethylene and/or Perchloroethylene. (*Special thanks to Dr. R. Wymore for his invaluable assistance on this-CM)

The mass and chlorine content of those two compounds are too similar for general un-specialized chemistry skills to tell apart.

Now, here is where things get interesting… This compound is suspended in a what is known as an "amphipathic" formulation!

Most things are hydrophobic or hydrophilic. ("Approx." water soluble or non soluble)

However, some substances are amphipathic. This means that part of the molecule is hydrophobic and part of it is hydrophilic.

(*)Cell membranes are formed out of amphipathic molecules. Lipids are
hydrophobic & phosphates are hydrophilic. Join them to make
phospholipids and you have created an amphipathic molecule. The phospholipid bi-layer of all known cells are amphipathic. The hydrophobic lipid tails shield each other in the middle of the membrane & the phospho-heads on the inside & outside of the cell are in a nice watery environment. Many petroleum products have these amphipathic properties. (*Wymore)

The application of the above described compound has proven to quickly loosen the tension bonds of the lipids forming an important part of the protective shield of the callus. The callus then floats free of the skin and can be removed with no substantial effort. This then briefly allows the penetration of substances such as H202 and allows them to attack and destroy the otherwise secure bacilli.

We are continuing our work in this area and hope to be able to further define what appears to be a highly unusual set of symbiotic social relationships at work beneath this odd pseudo callus structure.

Regards:

-CliffMickelson

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Dear BEEN THERE,

Do you still read this forum/strand? I got it!- Would love to converse with you. Please pm me asap if you happen to see this.
I would sincerely appreciate it!

London

This will be deleted too. There will be only 1 thread at the end.

Poison,

The disease is complex enough to warrant several discussion threads.

That shouldn’t be too much to ask considering topics such as cheese sandwiches, mcdonalds, and help me with my homework questions are allowed to flourish here.

Thanks,
yyz

see, comprendo 🙂
I know dear, that this is temp.
Just wanted it here for now. Its going to take you a while to read all the ###@@&&** at the other thread 🙁
I will again repost it

bREAKING IT DOWN FOR US SIMPLE FOLKS:

I JUST LOOKED UP WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE CURE FOR THIS DISEASE AS HE SEES IT ARE THINGS THAT CAN NOT BE APPLIED TO HUMAN SKIN DUE TO THE CARCINAGEOUS ( IS THAT WA WORD OR DID I MAKE THAT UP?) NATURE OF THE INGREDIENTS.

HE IS STATING THAT THE GROWTH OF PHONY SKIN CAN BE REMOVED BY THIS STUFF WE CAN NOT USE AND THAT THE UNDER LAYER BOTH ATTRACTS AND DISTRACTS FLUIDS THUS MAKING SOME THINGS LIKE PEROXIDE USELESS UNLESS THE COATING IS REMOVED.

SQUARE ONE…NOT SAYING TOO MUCH REALLY..BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINON SO NO HATE MAIL PLEASE.

THAT IS HOW I AM UNDERSTANDING IT. THIS IS NOT A CURE OR IS IT A DIAGNOSIS…I JUST WANT TO SEE IF I AM UNDERSTANDING HIM.

COWABUNGA WHITE OUT AND DRY CLEANING! (THAT IS A JOKE IF YOU READ THE STUFF BELOW .)

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An amphipathic (a.k.a. amphiphilic) molecule contains both hydrophobic and hydrophilic groups. The hydrophobic group can be a long carbon chain, with the form: CH3(CH2)n, with 4 < n < 16. The hydrophilic group falls into one of the following categories:

Ionic Molecules
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fatty acids: RCO2-Na+;
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COMMENTS ANYONE? ANYONE WANT TO SIMPLIFY IT DOWN A NOTCH MORE? THANKS!

Southcity asked:

I have maybe two or three more of Springtails. Did you know there are approx. 6000 different species of them! I only thought there were but a few. 🙄 Anyway that particular fellow was found among the leaves of some moss that I had collected from the backyard after a rain.

The image was taken utilizing a Meiji (may-gee) EMZ-13TR stereomicroscope equipped with a Sony DSC-W5, 5 megapixel digital camera attached above the photo tube of the microscope. This photo tube contains a WF 10X 18mm eyepiece which is used as the relay lens. 😀

BTW just some trivia, the word "Meiji" means "enlightenment" and was also once the name of Japans emporer. 😀

Will not post much I believe I just read where it will be deleted anyway,

but if you indeed do see this, know that there is an answer for it. Yes

indeed, w/out a doubt. Don’t know about cure/panacea yet due to lack

of reading about it. Since I have not been posting too much it gave me time

to go back and read some of my older research. Believe it or not I found

the one I’m referring too on New Years Day. I tell you this because I do not recall or not if I posted anthing about it on Jan. 1st or after.

Possibly so.

JJIll and Skytrol:

Wire problem/issue was solved ( for $800 bucks 🙁 , the cause

of problem was the biggest relief of my life…..Squirrels!!! Absolutely

positve.

PS Hi Randy and Lynn

London ( oh and…..I’m def. still reading up on the above and note:
there is indeed different versions of it)

London

MOST , ALMOST ALL DISEASES OF THE SKIN HAVE KERATOTIC PLUGS.

DO A SEARCH AND YOU WILL SEE.

JUST ME RESEARCHING WHAT IS BEING TOLD TO US. SHOOT ME IF YOU MUST.

Pathophysiology: The classic lesion of LS is a keratotic plug located within the dilated follicular orifice. Histologically, an inflammatory lymphohistiocytic infiltrate occurs around the follicle and in the dermis. Hyperkeratosis, parakeratosis, and acanthosis are visible in the follicle. Differentiating LS from keratosis pilaris by microscopy may not be possible.
A 26-year-old woman developed 249 discrete papules on her lower extremities. Twenty-three of them had keratotic plugs. Histologic examination demonstrated granulomatous foci consisting of epithelioid cells and a epidermal invagination which was disrupted at the base and lateral sites. This invagination was considered to represent transepithelial elimination.

ANOTHER:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer … t=Abstract

ANOTHER:
A 4-year-old girl presented with a 3-year history of demarcated, salmon-pink, hyperkeratotic plaques, which were symmetrically distributed on the elbows, knees, ankles, and dorsal aspects of the hands and feet. A diffuse, orange-pink palmoplantar keratoderma was also evident. Clinical and histologic findings were consistent with a diagnosis of pityriasis rubra pilaris (PRP), type IV (circumscribed juvenile). Type IV PRP develops in prepubertal children, is typically localized to the distal aspects of the extremities, and has an unpredictable course. Although ultraviolet (UV) radiation can potentially exacerbate PRP, our patient has improved with broad-band UVB phototherapy.

http://dermatology.cdlib.org/114/NYU/NY … 17056.html

LAST ONE:

Case Report
A 78-year-old woman of Polish origin presented in January 1998 with a six year history of a warty dermatosis localized on the thighs, upper limbs, abdomen and upper back (Figure 1). Face, palms and soles were spared as were mucous membranes, hair and nails. The asymptomatic dermatosis consisted of many firm red or brown papules, with a rough keratotic surface. The surrounding skin appeared normal. In the beginning, these papules were well individualized and presented in a linear distribution, especially on the thighs.

ALL DERMITOLOGICAL CONDITIONS HAVE KERATOTIC PLUGS OF SOME SORT.

EDUCATED, NON ANGRY COMMENTS WELCOME.

ANOTHER:

ANOTHER DISEASE WITH THIS:

Histopathologically, LSA shows hyperkeratosis with keratotic plugging of follicles, atrophy of the stratum malpighii with hydropic degeneration of the basal cells, atrophy and homogenization of the upper dermal collagen and an infiltrate in he mid-dermis (7). Apart from the natural absence of hair follicles on the penis, BXO shows a similar picture

http://www.intl.elsevierhealth.com/e-books/pdf/509.pdf

Figure: 97.10 (read)

Thanks.

Ken Ramos, I’m sorry to spoil your parade, but that is NOT a Collembola. That is a woolly aphid (Family Eriosomatidae) and the so called fibers are just a waxy substance secreted from their skin which helps to camouflage them. It is easy to destinguish this as an aphid as it has a siphon and is sucking from the plant and has more than 4-6 abdominal body segments. Plus if you collect some of these and look at them under a microscope you will see it does NOT have a furcula nor water tube protruding from its abdomen. Generally eriosomatids have both a bisexual and asexual stage with tiny females laying only one egg. The females can produce several generations without fertilization and have thick, woolly or waxy coverings during nymphal stage. Other species of aphids are parthenogenic and may be seen under a microscope to have many small aphids developing inside their bodies. There goes your new species and all these myths people are promoting regarding Collembola that infect them with fibers. Many insects of this order make wax like fibers. If you want to learn about Collembola and other insects, I suggest you take a college level entomology course and at least get a field guide to learn how to properly identify the different orders and families of insects. Plus read up and study hard. If you want to learn about Collembola I suggest you obtain some known species and learn to rear them. This is also a good way to learn about any type of insect. If you begin your studies with know species you will know what you have to begin with. Also this applies to other microbes. Order or obtain known, non-disease species. You can also get known species of insects from universities that have an Entomology Department or do agricultural research.
I have over 37 years experience studying insects and microbes and certainly know a wooly aphid when I seen one! Plus Collembola generally feast upon fungi. But don’t let this discourage you. If you take the time to learn how to identify Collembola and make an effort to collect Collembola and submit them to experts, sooner or later you will find a new species. There are more unknow species of Collembola than known species. So this represents a great opportunity! Have at it!

Well I am not presently looking for a new species of anything at the moment and as for Springtails, if you note, I said that I did not think that they were the causative agent of the infection so many are debating about. As for a new speices of anything, maybe I should have stated that the possibiltiy of finding any particular one may exist. 😉

As for "raining on my parade?" I have an umbrella, sir/madam. It happens all the time. 😆 As for your 37 years in the study of insects and microbes, that is quite impressive. Most of my life has been spent serving my/our country in various parts of the world. Have you researched any on pathogenic ameba? I find them to be quite interesting, especially the infections such as GAE and PAM, which are caused by these ameba. 😀

Ken,

Have to run to work
got a comment for this one later..

Well I hope you have had a good day Lynne, because by the time you will have probably read this, you are now back home. 😆 I looked up the Woolly Aphid and according to the US Dept. of Agriculture and Forest service:

http://www.fs.fed.us/r6/nr/fid/fidls/fidl118.htm

Not that it matters of course, I found mine in a clump of lowly moss. 🙄

There are many complex diseases, morgellons is not the only one.
Those topics are about different things. If the same things are asked again and again we direct the user to make a search. I know this disease is complex too, but note that we are here to keep this forum clean. Even one thread caused TOO much trouble. We are still struggling to save some info from that topic which turned into a rubbish a while ago. You can use one topic to discuss things too. We will think of leaving another one. But never more than 2. Please try to understand us. Thanks.
Regards,

Poison

Poison,

Thank you for your response. I know what you are saying.

Also, does anyone know if pee is safe to drink? Oops… nevermind… I just saw that thread. I am going to go read it right away, then I will know. 😀

yyz

Ok Ken, lunch breaak peek 😆

quote:drmicrobe

"Ken Ramos, I’m sorry to spoil your parade, but that is NOT a Collembola. That is a woolly aphid (Family Eriosomatidae) and the so called fibers are just a waxy substance secreted from their "

Thats not nice 🙁
Somewhere in these forums
someone posted a link with a gallery of collombola and i believe Kens photo does look like that. A strange blue colored one.

I am not an expert on collombola but that doesnt look like any aphid I have ever met ❓ ❓ ❓

And ken,
do you mean wooly adelgid? Those bad boys have decimated entire forrest of Canadian hemlock Trees. 😈

I have to check my trees all the time and watch that i dont get that.

THere has been talk also in the hort trade about responsibility of selling hemlocks. Plant ethics 😆 The merchent should educate the buyer before they purchase.

Use any the following keywords and see if thats your bug

Apterygota ( Collombolla) AKA Springtails;
Taxonavigation:

Subregnum:Metazoa
Superphylum: Bilateria: Prtostomia
Phylum: Arthropoda
Subphylum: Hexapoda
Classis: Insecta
Subclassis: Apterygota
Ordo: ThysanurArchaeognatha
Hope this helps you both.
I will get back to you later.

The person who posted that web cite on the collombola is a morgellons/fiber poster, and I dont remember who posted it, so by chance would you re-post and then I dont have to go back and look for it 🙁 later gator

Lynne said:

Well I am not an expert either Lynne. 😆 I made my identification from various websites that address the little buggers. One of them was a Collembola website but I can’t recall off hand which one.

Looks as though my photograph really got someones "knickers in a twist" though. 😆 I really don’t do any hard research on anything. My interests are much to varied to persue a set course. I find something while using my scopes, I photograph it, look around the internet or in some of my books to see what it may be and if I find a match from a photograph or a really good sketch, that is what I go by. 😀 Took a photograph of myself once. Found a match on a "primates web page!" 😮

well
we will see when I find that web site.
I think you are right about the blue one at least.
8)

The Biology of the Springtail is a good book to start reading if you want COllembola info. Now Deb from NPA states that she can spot them. And many think that because our bodies give a rotting type of smell with this disease that bugs that would not normally BUG us find us very tastey and most of those are microscopic.

I believe that you need to get your immune system healthy, get rid of all you bacterial, fungal and parasitic stuff with the appropriate meds and then exercise and go through the routine of the meds at least once a year to get all the build up of those things out of you.

That is what I have done asn so far so good except for a few lesions which I keep under control with Panafil.

But you need to get the bacteria out and the fungal out and the parasties out and they have meds for all of those.

Randy

Hi Randy,
thats great!
I hope you can lick this thing for good, you have suffered long enough.
do you know that web site I am talking about? Maybe it was you that posted it.
It has a huge gallery of pics from A-Z of the springtails.

Me ,
I dont have them.
my "critters are still unknown" nematode sorta things and are seasonal. but they carry some type of bacteris/fungus or virus and I am very allergic to the bites.

And no body could live as healthy as I have for the past 28 years.
doesnt seem fair. 🙁
take care,
Lynne 😆 PS; nice "seeing" you again

Lynne please be careful. I know people become desperate and just want "IT" gone but pesticde use has only made things much worse for sufferers. Check out an ‘MSDS’
sheet for malathion. Take care

Standby[/quote]

Thanx for your concern and that is good to point that out.

Trust me I did a presentation on pesticides in school. malathion one of the dangerous ones 😈 No one should ever put that on their skin.

I was refering to using it on the resistant insects on the houseplants that we thought were thrips to kill them. I am an organic promotor. I would only use iPM (integrated Pest managmrnt) if I absolutely had to.
regards,
Lynne 🙂

Linn,

Thanx, am sharing this link for those unaware of the dangers of organophosphates. Here is some info on malathion.

Safety (MSDS) data for malathion.
http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/MA/malathion.html

The mutagenic capabilities and personality changes listed under toxicology is of the greatest concern to me.

There is a drastic rise in behaivioral problems and violent tendences in children.
Mainly ….. Autisim, ADD and ADHD.

It is of my opinion that these chemicals actually alter our DNA and affect our offspring therefore the rise in behaivioral problems. There is enough info there for me to reach this conclusion, but ofcourse no way the proper authorities could ever make that connection before it …..

Standby

Standby:
yes,
this is a good warning for every one.

And although some people think herbicides are safer because they work to destroy chlorophyll. My professor brought that out. Because we do not have chlorophyll is it safer?

Look at agent orange.

Neurological symptoms such as numbness and tingling
in extremities are a sign of chemical poisoning.

That is something being reported in morgellons sufferers too.

I still do not know why it is of importance if this "thing" on us sufferers is indeed a collembola or not. I do know we have something on us but what that is, is not worth one getting into arguements.

So and so’s website forum states that is is a collembola (so)

and another website states that it is not a collembola (so)

WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS HOW IT GOT THERE AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO STOP IT.

I HAVE NOT READ ANY OTHER BOARD FORUM IN NEARLY A WEEK NOW. i MAY EVENTUALLY POST THERE; MAYBE NOT.

I WILL NOT POST ANY MORE ‘UGLY POST’ LACED WITH PROFANITY. AND I WILL NOT TRY TO START ANY TYPE OF ARGUEMENTS WITH ANYONE.

I WILL NOT EXPLAIN THE SIGNIFICANCE OF MY POST TO ANYONE. LET THOSE IN DOUBT FIND THAT FOR THEMSELVES. I HAVE TRIED TO TELL
PEOPLE WHAT I KNEW WAS GOING ON ( ON ONTHER FORUM ) BUT THAT WAS ONLY MET WITH CLOSED EYES AND EARS. SO LET THEM DISCOVER THE INFORMATION OUT FOR THEMSELVES. THEIR RUDENESSES ARE ONLY THEIR WEAK ATTEMPTS AT STRENGTH.

I AM REFERRING TO ALL THE REPLY POSTERS THAT WERE HATEFUL.

FUNNY, BUT I NEVER GOT TO SEE BUT 3 OF THEM. WHEN I DID GO ACK TO THAT FORUM THE ADMIN HAD CHOSEN TO REMOVE THE POST. WHICH WAS FINE BY ME, BUT I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE READ
ALL THE PEPLY POST.

OH, YES, INDEED i HAVE FOUND WHAT TAMTAM IS ALLUDING TO PLUS MORE ON THAT TOPIC. mORE,DIFFERENT ARTICLES ON IT. IN ONE WAY,
YES, I BELIEVE THAT TAM TAM INDEED SPEAKS THE TRUTH, BUT LIKE i SAID, THERE IS MORE TO IT THAN THAT. ONE MUST SEEK OUT WHY AND HOW. SO FAR, IF I AM CORRECT, NO DOCTOR HAS BEEN ABLE TO FIND THIS INFORMATION OUT. WELL, GOOD. I TRIED TO TELL WHAT I KNOW, I TRIED.

SO, BY THE WAY THIS 5 PAGE FORUM WAS READING TO WHEN I SKIMMED IT WAS MAYBE ANTHRAX???? SOMETHING i STATED WAY BACK WHEN? Like I said, I only skimmed this 5 page strand and do not know if for sure you people are indeed looking at Anthrax or not. But I will tell you this about anthrax, there is more than one strain!!! I posted a chart of this on another forum which took me quite a while to maneuver the computer to let me make a copy of it to post. But, as usual, it was looked at as insignificance.

oh yes, i know exactly what Tam is talking about. It’s too bad that YYZ
turned angry with me. I never said one time that I did not believe what Tam Tam was saying> not one time! I said only that I thought he was not
some guy in a white lab coat that was a doctor or a scientist. And I said
that even if he was that young man named Daniel that wore his hair in dreadlocks, that that was fine with me, I still believed what he was saying.

Yes, it’s too bad people will not read more clearly, but I too have made that mistake myself at times. What I have not done is come back to anyones posting on any website and say rude, negative things about them! Not one time.

Now, I did say what I believe about the other person and that aspect I still believe true to this day. But i am not going to repeat it nor am I going to write anything rude about him or his significant other. That’s it as far as that goes. let the wool fall where it may.

But people, think about this too……..

HAS IT EVER OCCURED TO YOU TO LOOK AT ARSENIC POISIONING? HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A PICTURE OF THAT?

AND ONE OTHER THING TO……i’VE POSTED ON THIS BEFORE AS WELL, YOU ALL KNOW THAT i SAID A WHILE BACK THAT THIS WAS ALSO ABOUT THE GOV’T CLEANING UP WASTE/POLLUTION WITH MICROBIAL FUEL CELLS, RIGHT? WELL, IF YOU DON’T, PLEASE BE AWARE THAT I SAID IT NUMEROUS TIMES. THE VILENT WORM (ONE THAT I JUST RECENTLY DISCOVERED) WILL SHOCK ANYONE WITH IT’S CAPABILITIES.

AND WHAT ELSE, BESIDES ARSENIC POISIONING YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IS : RHODOFERAX FERRIREDUCENS

but that worm that I was alluding to above, that is simply horrific not to
forget to mention faster than " Flo-Jo" and faster than last years best swimmer (can’t rember his name), well this worm can swim faster than he could only dream of swimming.

Subject Change: Would like all to know that on Ch8 (abc) news here in Dallas, they ran a story about this skin infection a lot of people are reporting into the countiy , that they supposedly contracted it at this mans nail salon when they got a pedicure. They also said it was MSRA ( which is staph) and also said a mycosis was to blame.>>>>>>YEAH RIGHT, BUT THAT IS NOT ALL THAT IS TO BLAME!!!!

WELL, i HOPE YOU ALL HAVE A NICE WEEKEND. iI HOPE YOU REMEMBER TO CHECK INTO THOSE 5 STR ANTHRAXAINS OF I POSTED OF BEFORE
AND ALSO WILL LOOK INTO ARSENIC POISINING.

Sincerely,

London

London
I think the fiber thread just went to the next page
it moves down when no posts are added.
it is going to take a while 🙂

And I think it IS importantent to find what is transmitting this for two reasons:

1 . to be able to moniter and study the spread
2. protect others from getting this
🙂

The topic still exists. Don’t worry about that. We are reading it agan and again to save some info. Thanks for your patience.

And please don’t change this topic into an arguement topic. Everyone has an idea about the disease and tells it here.
Read this disclaimer please:

about3303.html

In regard to the existence of the Dutch superbug and the American,
and how as well people as bugs learn from each other,

Sincerely,

tamtam

……………….

Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute Press ReleasesToday (24 June 2004), researchers from The Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute and their colleagues announce the completion of the genome sequence of an MRSA …
http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Press/2004/040624.shtml – 26k – Cached – Similar pages

Correctional Medicine Institute – Living JournalMRSA infection has been making the headlines all over the country. … While MRSA has been present in the hospital setting for a considerable period of time …
http://www.cm-institute.org/staph.htm – 28k – Cached – Similar pages

New Scientist Breaking News – Superbug strain hits the healthyAlternatively, the Dutch superbug may be a similar strain that has evolved locally. The Scottish MRSA Reference Laboratory recently identified two new PVL …
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3460 – 43k – Cached – Similar pages

Return of the Staphylococcus aureus superbug… discusses some potential reasons for the discrepancies between the Dutch and UK studies, … TITLE: The Stapylococcus aureus "superbug" AUTHOR CONTACT: …
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical … wsid=17875 – 38k – Cached – Similar pages

what are you saying about MRSA?

I had that in the hospital and survived.
R U saying it can cause other unknown
secondary immune system type
disorders with symptoms of morgellons? because it distrupts DNA or something?
just trying to understand why this is relevant. 😕

Please will you explain?
And how would insects be involved with this theory?

It is relevant because the same pattern exist in the target I have identified.

Your target.

A German television team was interrupting to get shots from MRSA.

Slides were changed and after observing the slides I knew intuitively that similar behavior is present.

"The fact that as well a Dutch superbug exist and an American made it link real time"

The Dutch mention "a stolen gene"
And Dr. J Gerberding waves to Europe.

The video mentions this relation.

A silent superbug

Stay tuned.

Tam
can you be more direct with your answers.

And I think if you have an idea about this and have the credentials/PhD etc..
then your suggestions could best be used by the CDC via the morgellons foundation.
Most of us on this thread are just avg people or students.
to avoid the kind of discussions we had at the other thread KWIM?
Thanx

We just have trouble understanding you maybe because you speak other than English? 🙂

Insect like entity is part of the memory of the micro organisms that now live in and on your skin and in your bowel.

Basically they will reconstruct its initial dominant input, if bacterial load reaches momentum.

A property called quorum sensing.
This makes single cell micro organisms function on a multi cellular level.

So under perfect culture condition
they may succeed to reconstruct parts
(module) of an insect, or even entire insect.

See video footage.

Most dominant module is wing cutticle.
A chitin/ resin like fleece.
Also frequent are sensing parts like antennae.

Fibers seem a translation from mold to wing.
From cyano mold expression to insect cutticle.

"plant cell that think that they are insect wing cell"

Color seems to relate to lepidoptera wing pattern.

Wing spot.

Basically pigmented cell are eyes,
or better: photo receptor

Bio sensor!

Sincerely,

tamtam

Hi Tam tam,

I occasionally speak with a physician about your theories, and, while he is polite, he is really only interested in neurological matters. He was very interested to hear that the CDC had been informed that some individuals had been apparently misdiagnosed with neurological conditions, when what they could have is Morgellon’s.

He was very interested in your view that this condition can cause something similar to the neurogenic bladder. He wants to know what the postulated mechanism or route of spread is please. E.g., some infections are spread throughout the body via the blood, or the lymphatic supply. What might happen here?

The only problem with Tam theory
is that I never had
any genes inserted. What is that called?
gene therapy? or something like that?
Just antiobiotics, blood transfusions
all I have ever had for treatment.
And that (bowel episode that almost killed me) was from volvulous from unknown reason, i think a it was a parasite of tropical water (fish) (amazon river) area, was all prior to the initial
bite from unknown vector.

Would the following go with what Tam is speaking of I wonder?
******************

The present invention also provides a method for the inactivation of viruses found in cells in body fluids, comprising passing said body fluids through a device for the inactivation of viruses comprising a filtering material, said device having ionic copper selected from the group consisting of Cu+ and Cu++ ions and combinations thereof incorporated therein.
**********************

I must go back and find the q.sensing article he speaks of. It is
there~

Note **On my last posting amongst the many mispellings, I meant to
use the word: Rhodopsin instead of Rhodo.F; please excuse

Lynn,
Yes, I think too you are right on when you say Gene Thereapy.

How ? The Army Corps of Engineers released this "thing" into the

floridian Environment in 1997 to eat away at the tree that was taking over

the Florida Everglades. This certain tree is indiginous to Australia.

PS: MY 2 BIOSPSIES~rESULTS: MSRA ~STAPH A. AND THE OTHER :
UNKNOWN.

London

It’s about adhesive organelles. It’s about "folding."

It’s about : trans- b.

( The tree I speak of above is supposedly not dangerous to animals
but it kills algea. The tree does gow on both land and water)

Understanding the molecular events involved in the biogenesis of these organelles will be crucial for the development of novel therapeutic strategies. Elucidating common themes in these pathways will be a prerequisite for any efforts targeted towards developing a therapeutic strategy with broad-spectrum activity. The identification of those processes that occur following attachment will undoubtedly open up further avenues of therapeutic possibilities, as we come closer to understanding how host-pathogen interactions lead to the expression of bacterial genes that are important in pathogenesis.

London

On New Years day I read about Stephen T. Abedon

He used to work At The Univerdity of Arizona. (which I dislike) I

Know they would test things in the local streams there for their

"fun" projects. I have posted on another forum website about this before; complete with photos. Of course, it was just ignored. Even
had photos of "vernal Pools". Let them go find it then; I tried to tell
them.
******************

Take a look at CJD clusters

France is in fear; burning animals ( does this infact only spread it)

Animal diseases are on the rise.

Tonight on the news was a story of childrens stuffed animals having highly toxic Pestidcides in them. Of course, most were imported. Had DDT; the works in it.

America’s Food products are so very dangerous. It has something awful
in gelatin even. Our water systems have lead, mercury, the works~

London

Staph Blast

/note="Previously sequenced as Staphylococcus aureus
FT chromosomal replication initiator protein DnaA
FT SW:DNAA_STAAU (P49994) (453 aa) fasta scores: E():
FT 1.2e-161, 99.779% id in 453 aa. Similar to Bacillus
FT subtilis chromosomal replication initiator protein DnaA
FT SW:DNAA_BACSU (P05648) (446 aa) fasta scores: E():
FT 2.7e-95, 60.403% id in 447 aa"
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and:
The effect of pH on the cytoplasmic facing side on H1
movement has been mimicked. The pH sensitivity suggests that
the carboxyl group, or ion binding cavity, is accessible to the
cytoplasm. The ion cavity is positioned within the lipid bilayer
(20, 40). Hence, the pH sensitivity of the mutants support the
idea of aqueous exit/entry channels within subunit a and/or at
the interface between it and subunit c.

I am not sure of this one;
Does it fit?
********************************

B
Florida isolate
C
D*
A
Porton isolate
1997 Texas goat
1925 Iowa cow
2001 California cow

**NOTE: Imagine the above with Brackets{ } all leading into one
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and:

Genomic Sequencing of Potential
Biowarfare Agents: Selected examples
Agent Disease or toxin
Bacillus anthracis Anthrax
Brucella suis Brucellosis
Burkholderia mallei Glanders
Clostridium perfringens Epsilon toxin
Coxiella burnetii Q fever
Staphylococcus aureus Enterotoxin B
Yersinia pestis Plague
Variola major Smallpox
Vibrio cholerae Cholera
****************************************
Drug Discovery in the Post-Genomic Era
Functional and Comparative Genomics
And Proteomics
— Discover New Targets for Antimicrobial
Compounds
— Understanding Good Drug Targets

Again, I am not for sure if this fits with what Tam speaks of: yet it is still horrendous and should be brought to the Public’s eye.

It’s all about the money and the Big Pharma .

YYz, if you see this
I agree with part of what you mentioned the other day…..There is indeed a "fake" amongst one of us. Sure is. Yet that person is not me. I will be happy to prove that to anyone who wishes to know.

London

Ever hear about the Human Genome Diversity Project?????????????

What is the Human Genome Diversity Project?

The HGD Project is an effort by anthropologists, geneticists, doctors, linguists, and other scholars from around the world to document the genetic variation of the human species worldwide. This scientific endeavor is designed to collect information on human genome variation to help us understand the genetic makeup of all of humanity and not just some of its parts. The information will also be used to learn about human biological history, the biological relationships among different human groups, and may be useful in understanding the causes of and determining the treatment of particular human diseases

WATCH THESE TWO WORDS COME INTO PLAY IN A MAJOR WAY:
Escherichia coli and Salmonella

London

what’s your point?
Homology between 2 essential bacterial genes is highly likely. This is in fact one of the conclusion of theory of evolution.

Then again so what? One genome has been sequenced, it is obvious that it is not enough and an idea of the real diversity in the human species will give us plenty of insight to study genetic diseases, history of migrtions and so on.

And what abou my 2 favorite bacteria? Go on Pubmed and get scared by the number of references if you search with those 2 words. But since their wide use as model organisms it’s far for surprising.

So what are the point of your posts?

I’m trying to find out if indeed I’m on the right track. Maybe if I post it
I could find out .

Are you asking me to post the particulars ( articles) in reference to
Salmonella and E. coli? If so,

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl … rtid=99021

and:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl … tid=107006

London

**Patrick,
I certainly hope it is okay to post this. I would certainly be happy
to hear from you more. We ( most of us posters) are just everday people
with no background in any Science field; in particular Microbiology. Someone has given out hints to what might be the cause of the heinous
disease I suffer from: Morgellons. I am, and have been following
these leads. Your feedback is appreciated.

Sincerely,

London

Transfer of DNA

In conjugative transfer, DNA passes along a tube that links two bacteria, which may occur
between bacteria of the same or similar species. Plasmids carrying genes as transposable
elements (transposons) may transfer between cells. Those carrying more than one
transposon can encode resistance to many, chemically unrelated, antibacterials.
Transformation involves the uptake of DNA from the environment. DNA acquired by this
process may come from an unrelated species, and antibacterial resistance may be
acquired even from species not usually responsible for causing disease.
Transduction involves the transfer of DNA by a bacteriophage.
Prion domains: sequences, structures and interactions.
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Prion domains: sequences, structures and interactions.

Laboratory of Biochemistry and Genetics, National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, Maryland 20892-0830, USA. wickner@helix.nih.gov

Mammalian and most fungal infectious proteins (also known as prions) are self-propagating amyloid, a filamentous beta-sheet structure. A prion domain determines the infectious properties of a protein by forming the core of the amyloid. We compare the properties of known prion domains and their interactions with the remainder of the protein and with chaperones. Ure2p and Sup35p, two yeast prion proteins, can still form prions when the prion domains are shuffled, indicating a parallel in-register beta-sheet structure
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer … med_docsum

Prions: proteins as genes and infectious entities ; see:
http://www.genesdev.org/cgi/content/full/18/5/470

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DNA methylation-dependent regulation of pef expression in Salmonella typhimurium.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer … s=10692151
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Synthetic Mammalian Prions
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/a … 5/5684/673
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Below is something I found via the internet around Christmas time, but until these last few days I have not been able to see where it fit into anything. Now I do.

The following is a website by the name of a man called
Stephen T. Abedon. He used to work at the University of Arizona
and now works for Ohio State University. His interest lies in
phage ecological, particularly phage adaptation to growth limitat-
ions imposed by environments. http://www.bacteriophage.org

I think the bacteriophage, in particular T-4 fits into what is
plagueing us. I am hoping that the role of CD4-positive T cells in
Bacterial Killing will help us fight this.

Here is something on the T-4:

Phage T4 has provided countless contributions to the paradigms of genetics and biochemistry. Its complete genome sequence of 168,903 bp encodes about 300 gene products. T4 biology and its genomic sequence provide the best-understood model for modern functional genomics and proteomics. Variations on gene expression, including overlapping genes, internal translation initiation, spliced genes, translational bypassing, and RNA processing, alert us to the caveats of purely computational methods.

http://mmbr.asm.org/cgi/content/full/67/1/86

I think believe what TamTam speaks of may indeed be:

LYsophospholipase_carboxylesterase, but I do
know if this is correct.

Sincerely just trying to find an answer,

London

Hi Tam tam,

As well as wishing to know how exactly this infection and infestation possibly causes something similar to the neurogenic bladder, and similar to amylotrophic lateral sclerosis, how precisely might it also lead to chorioretinitis?

Excerpt from the Morgellons foundation from Randy(Dr. Wymore)
What we have so far about the type of bacteria.
In case no one reads the updates:

"1) Two primary types of bacteria have been
cultured from skins samples of multiple Morgellons patients.
The bacteria are of two types;
a chain or 2-4 rod-shaped bacilli
and tiny, spherical, cocci/diplococci.
On solid media the cocci make a hard membrane-like "

These are some of the FACTS that they DO have so far.

errata:
chorioretinitis like I should have written.

Infestation of the vitreous with in density increasing
strands of (foreign) protein.
Not directly to associate with retinal lesions
But with vitreous floaters/ blurring, Ritters like.

Neurogenic bladder, like irritable bowel syndrome.
Disturbed motility

I kow there exist a connection with epithelial cell.
Quorum sensing/ vacuole/ exfoliative

Fact is that the micro organism seems to cause arrest of function.

Inhibition of (pain) signal?

That many people report to experience peripheral neuropathy could maybe also link this pathogen to
diabetes.

I expect a link with the neurotoxic properties of cyano.

But remember: prove looks different.

The pathogen has been isolated and I hope all association will become established.

Step for step.

Sincerely,

tamtam

"On solid media the cocci make a hard membrane-like coating over the colony. The liquid culture of bacilli usually contains a very stringy material after a few days of culturing. Some macroscopic fibers have appeared in these cultures, but it is unclear where they are coming from. We are trying to determine whether they are environmental contaminants or a product of the bacteria. It is also possible that the long fibers are nothing more than DNA from the dead bacteria. We are currently performing PCR (to amplify the microbial DNA) and DNA sequence analysis of both of these isolated bacteria. These results should be available by the end of September or early October. "
-Dr. wymore

Hi Tam Tam,

Thanks for the information. Over the last couple of months,
as I have followed your clues, I have had answers come up
as Diabetes. But a lot of other diseases as well. Ranging
anywhere from Cancer – Alzheimers.

I just hope it is not any of them. Hey I saw the poster abstracts
from the 2004 workshop held in Argentina. I read at least three
on Trypansoma/Chagas Disease.

Just curious, are you from South America? I know you have great interest
there and for getting knowledge of this to their culture.

I ask simply out of curiosity.

So now we should add Toxiplasmosis into equation? (Staph, Toxi,
Proth Wickerhami, Frog skin disease……oh I don’t wantto know anymore……. :0

I Have been studying the Flea being involved. And I have found the importance of the moth’s wingpattern.
Are we going to also be studying the eye and the light/dark controls
it’s being.? Again, Just wondering.

Thank you,

London

2)" As mentioned above, Stenotrophomonas maltophilia.has been mentioned as a candidate, causative bacterium in Morgellons Disease. Amplification of DNA from the bacterial population isolated from the skin, scabs and shed material of the Morgellons patients and sequencing is still incomplete, although it will hopefully be completed during the next month or so. Bacterial isolates cultured from skin samples from four Morgellons patients residing in climatologically and geographically distinct areas of the United States have revealed no evidence of S. maltophilia thus far. Based on published reports, when S. maltophilia is cultured on blood agar plates there is a distinct flagellum (or multiple flagella) that is visible on the rod-shaped bacteria (bacilli). The bacilli that we have observed do not appear to be flagellated and are much longer than we would have expected for the characterized and published strains of S. maltophilia. They are also clustered in ways that do not look like the published images of S. maltophilia. DNA sequencing will give provide an answer as to whether this bacillus is present in Morgellons patients or not. "
-Dr Wymore
morgellons.org

HERE YOU GO, THIS IS A PERFECT E XAMPLE OF THE IMPORTANCE

OF THE EYE:

http://www.cirs.net/indexenglish.htm

LONDON

Although I have not found any collembola on me,
some are reporting them as a vector.

More from Dr. Wymore
morgellons.org:

3) The putative role of the arthropod Collembola
in Morgellons disease.
The paper by Altschuler, et al.,
(J. New York Entomol. Soc. 112(1):87–95, 2004)
entitled, COLLEMBOLA (SPRINGTAILS) (ARTHROPODA:
HEXAPODA: ENTOGNATHA) FOUND IN SCRAPINGS
FROM INDIVIDUALS DIAGNOSED WITH DELUSORY
PARASITOSIS, described evidence of Collembola
in patients with symptoms resembling Morgellons
disease. We decided to look at the molecular level
for DNA evidence of Collembola in samples of skin,
scabs and other shed material from Morgellons patients.
To do this, PCR primers were synthesized that
would amplify DNA from the cytochrome oxidase
II gene from any of the 20 families and over 1,000
species of Collembola (Frati, et al., Evolution of the
mitochondrial cytochrome oxidase II gene in
Collembola, J. Mol. Evol., 1997).
The PCR primers are designed as follows,
as per the Frati, et al. paper:

Maggie mae,

Glad to see someone else thinking along these same lines. Ive been looking at this quite a while now.

Also, here is a rotor motor.

Might find this interesting.

http://www.fbs.osaka-u.ac.jp/en/seminar/09a.html

skytroll

This is the info from Maggie mae that skytroll is refering to:

"Fellow investigators

I have been thoroughly researching all Dr. Martin’s information in all his work printed. I have come to the conclusion that what we have is in fact some type of biosensor being manufactured by our own bodies. I am including sites that I have found evidence of same…any comments?
Mm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pi … biosensors
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&amp; … biosensors
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&amp; … biosensors
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=le … nt&spell=1
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&amp; … s+research
There are many books out now that show how the body can create these little sensors – sounds more reasonable to me than most anything else."

Fellow investigators

I have been thoroughly researching all Dr. Martin’s information in all his work printed. I have come to the conclusion that what we have is in fact some type of biosensor being manufactured by our own bodies. I am including sites that I have found evidence of same…any comments?
Mm

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pi … biosensors
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&amp; … biosensors
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&amp; … biosensors
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=le … nt&spell=1
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&amp; … s+research
There are many books out now that show how the body can create these little sensors – sounds more reasonable to me than most anything else.

A delay exist with the release of new video footage.
This footage will show the relation between black spots, wing pattern and biosensor.

Thank You for your patience.

Sorry to hear that TamTam. We have all been holding our breath here waiting. Our children are sick. We are very ill. I hope that you will soon get that video out. Our doctors are waiting as well. Would you please let us know when we CAN expect video release? Thank you.

BARZ

Dear Mr Barz,

All will be established rather soon.

The video will support earlier findings with more detailed information.

Itraconazole will be the best (single) suppresive therapy,
to my knowledge.

tamtam

I have read this thread and I still don’t know what this morgellons is. I have never heard about it. IT is new pathogen or something?

yes it is new. watch the video that is available now here at http://www.crossinglines.net . I cant stand the use of the term morgellons though. This illness has not been acknowledged in any clinical review so the name for it has not really been given. But it seems this word is becoming accepted, I just don’t like it. as a friend put it "good morgellons, how are you?" anyway have a look at the video and please post what you think about it.

TamTam and SouthCity- Thanks for the video-

He;;o TamTam,

I heard this was the target:

The target of this project is to reduce the time to 1/10 and the cost to 1/100, by developing new toxicity assessment technology and improving the gene expression profile data.

Any feedback would be most appreciated.

and if Steve is reading (Stanford Lover), would you be so kind to
comment too?

London

And where do ‘they’ get the info re: gene expression profile data?

Just curious….

Hi Jjill,

Good to see you posting. I have not been here to much recently but just wanted to ask TamTam that question. Check your PM’s in a few moments and I will send it to you. ( hyperlink).

Here’s some more information too…..

In this project, streamlining biomass energy conversion process
technology, which will contribute to the commercializatio and dissemination of biomass energy by FY2010, will be conducted in accordance with the development direction of the “Research to Establish Energy Technology Roadmap,” a project report issued by NEDO in FY2003. In addition to this, NEDO will proactively focus on the development of elemental technologies that contribute to achieving Japan’s target of 3.08 million kiloliters of biomass thermal power generation by 2010. The five peripheral elemental technologies listed below will be developed as well.

London

Wow, that is really weird video. I would like to wish that I had sample for our lab here at uni (but I am kinda scared of it now after video!!). I have a few questions though.

Has the microorganism been isolated in pure culture?

What culture were used (differential and selective and their components)?

What were factors that led to optimal growth (pH, temp, salinity)?

It say quorum sensing. What was accomplished, final result of quorum sensing and what chemical was excreted and detected for sensing?

These are probably basic questions but I am still student so sorry.

Every answer represents a research budget.

Just sit out next series video footage and you will understand more.

Quorum sensing can not be caught in pure culture to my knowledge, but still it can,
this depends on Your point of departure.

It is signal mediated, even signal in signal.
Its systematic can be expressed as well by one,
as by more than one morphologically diverse elements.

HERE’S A SNIPPET FROM AN EASY TO READ ARTICLE RE: ARSENIC POISIONING;

WHAT I THINK WE ALL HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO FROM THE PESTIDCIDES!!! I WILL PUT THE HYPERLINK IN CASE YOU WANT REST OF THE ARTICLE.

iT TALKS ABOUT GLUCOCORTICOID-RECEPTOR COMPLEX TOO

"Thus, if environmentally relevant doses of arsenic are able to suppress the normal function of GR as a mediator of gene regulation, as suggested by our results, we hypothesize that this may contribute to its ability to promote tumorigenesis and contribute to other pathophysiological states in these tissues. This unique mechanism would suggest further that arsenic may be able to act synergistically with other toxic and carcinogenic agents to increase disease risk, which is supported by epidemiological data that indicate a synergistic increase from cigarette smoking and exposure to arsenic. Because arsenic contamination of drinking water is widespread in the United States and elsewhere, and it is usually found in combination with many other toxic chemicals at most Superfund and other toxic waste sites, these combined exposures may represent a significant human health risk. "

http://tinyurl.com/qnjpj

London

Really, it is that expensive ot do tests like this? I thought these type of analysis would be first thing done before anything else, especially the using different medias to test for biological characteristics. But I have never bought these supplies for myself so they could be very expensive.

I am waiting for new video like you say, but video does not seem to say a lot about basic analysis. I am not even knowing its aerobic affiliation or gram or anything yet. I guess EM scope is too expensive to use too?

I am curious as to if any one
has seen something like this stage:

http://www.path.cam.ac.uk/~schisto/Schi … i.egg.html

tam tam, I had an experience with frozen shoulder. I would like to know if this is related and if so, why? Thank you for your help.

Barz

Keisecker presents data from a series of field and laboratory experiments indicating that frog deformities caused by parasites are more common in habitats contaminated by pesticides because contaminant-exposed frogs are less able to resist parasite infection. This study may neatly knit together what had been viewed as two mutually-exclusive and competing explanations for why frog deformities occur and why their incidence has increased so dramatically, contamination vs. parasites.
Pesticide impacts on frog immune systems makes them more vulnerable to pathogens they normally would have been able to resist.

http://www.ourstolenfuture.org/NewScien … secker.htm

London

London
Thank you for that info about frogs.
I have been studying this.
See my post in ecology 🙂
"Hear the Spring Peepers"

The frog is the canary of the world.
Humans are next.
Lynne

PS: I hope you dont mind I am going
to post this link at that thread 🙂 Thanx again

Lynn,

No, I do not mind, Post Away. I’m sick and tired of our Government ruining the earth. They are the ones ( multiple Governments) that have created global warming. They have created what is called the black hole. It was intentional.

Read Project Gutenburg!

a quote from it……

"Influences Of Geographic Environment On The Basis Of Ratzel’s System Of Anthropo-Geography"

London

What do fly photoreceptor cluster and wing cells have in common with vertebrate inner ear hair cells and convergent extension?

The journal of cell biology
no 4 february 13, 2006

tAM tAM, It has to do with coupling Planar cells Polarity to
signal morphogenesis.
And by the way TamTam, although I have been quiet, I think I am further ahead in my research than one might think. I know exactly what you were referring to a couple of post back where you mentioned the Dutch!

Does the name Rachel ring a Bell? I’m going further than that> I’m going to find those responsible. I know about the lady in S.America too, I believe Grisel was maybe her name>but would have to go back and look her up.

She and Steve J are involved in a big way. Hey , did you hear about that 2006 conference in the Phillipines? Called….MERCURY IN HEALTHCARE!!’

London

Hi Tam!

Is it related to bio-sensors?

Does it have anything to do with who is more likely to be infected with disease?

Best regards,

befour

i’VE BEEN HOLDING BACK IN HOPES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO REIMBURSE ME FOR THE YEAR OF WORK I HAVE MISSED DUE TO
THIS HEINOUS ILLNESS. GUESS I WILL JUST HAVE TO BUST THEM
AND THE GAMES THEY PLAY

lOVE THAT BAND TOO…..RO_ _! i PLAN ON WATCHING THAT 1962 FILM TONIGHT.

LONDON

Her group then cloned him-8 and determined that it encodes a Zn-finger protein, perfect for interacting with DNA. As expected, HIM-8 concentrated at the X chromosome’s pairing center. It also had an unexpected nuclear envelope localization. Dernburg imagines that the nuclear envelope might be a scaffold for pairing and synapsis.

AND AS FAR AS THE PLANT GOES…..

Nuclease I enzymes are responsible for the degradation of RNA and
single-stranded DNA during several plant growth and developmental …
THIS SO MESSES UP THE RICE PLANT!!

lONDON

bEFOUR, YES, IT HAS TO DO WITH bIOSENSORS

So, like I posted before Methyl Bromide.

Is this what is hurting our ozone? If sos then the US is clearly breaking

the Rules of the Montreal Protocol!!!

In 1998, approximately 25 percent of total methyl bromide consumption
in the U.S. was used on tomato, pepper, strawberry, and eggplant
crops grown in Florida.
· In 1998, Florida tomatoes account for approximately 13 percent of the
total methyl bromide consumption in the U.S., while Florida peppers
accounted for about 7 percent of the total methyl bromide consumption
in the U.S.

MEHTYL BROMIDE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLETELY FADED OUT- I.E., NO MORE USE OF BY JAN. 2005! DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE US IS STILL USING THIS??

DO THEY DROP IT IN THE CHEMTRAILS?

PLEASE FIND OUT AND LET US KNOW…..

Thanks good buddy….
Why are you helping? For what ever reason, I believe you are at least trying to ease us into the truth…eh…?
I fell onto Sporonex by accident for nail fungus and was cleaned up quite well for at least 6 months….should have figured it out then.

Lucent in conjunction with Bell and I believe OSU are in cahoots…and biosensors at it’s best….how bout just filling in the stealth virus with any number of diseases or virus’ and is carried right to you like a friggen’ homing pigeon. Certain people targeted? How did they get their list of names – Govt. felt we might need some modification in our "behavior"????
I believe the GOOD LORD will protect us from all their devices and that they will ultimately be boomeranged back on them – double….to the googlith power**!! Amen and Amen.

Out of SS? Can’t pay the baby boomers….well, shoot, guess will just have to eliminate them (bird flu) seein’s how they didn’t go for the stock options (with no options, btw…!) I pray the Lord exposes the evil and the very ones involved get it back on their own loved ones so horribly that they will weep for the horror they have created and so callously perpetrated on INNOCENT people.

Oh yea, what’s up with the info that Martin’s license was pulled….in jest, right.???? Disassociation..what else.
Amazing but yet the Lord laughs them into derision.

Briggs, Laura ""There is no Unauthorized Breeding in Jurassic Park": Gender and the Uses of Genetics"

NWSA Journal – Volume 12, Number 3, Fall 2000, pp. 92-113
Indiana University Press

This article relies on close readings of Jurassic Park (the book and the film) and Gattaca (film) to argue that a great deal of the opposition to new genetic technologies expressed in contemporary popular culture is grounded in a profound anti-feminism. Both of these science fiction stories suggest that genetic manipulation is "unnatural," and call for a return to a romanticized "natural" motherhood. In Jurassic Park, genetic science is figured as a threat to the white nuclear family, producing "Third World" female dinosaurs whose reproduction cannot be stopped, whose existence threatens white American children. Gattaca aligns the "unnaturalness" of genetically modified offspring with homosexuality and communism, and calls for the return of democracy, individual striving, and motherhood. Together, the article argues, these two texts suggest some of the pitfalls for feminism in contemporary discussions of reproductive technology and genetic determinism.

London

PS: Again……

Her group then cloned him-8

Tam Tam,

I do not understand where we should go with our info. How can we

blame and fight the US Government when they are in on this?

I hate them and what they have done to me.

The girls name from south america is Gisela not Grisela ( sorry about that)

and I do believe she is romantically involved with Steve Jurvetson (sorry Stevie, but you need to come clean and/ or contact me)

Now Tam Tam you speak of helping the Latinos which I think is great but she is from there.

To everyone else: As I have been telling you for months now, this is based upon some type of board game!

They have it hidden in artwork
" " " in Bands
" " " in Films even

When TamTam was talking about the Dutch on page ? 8 of this
forum he was referring to this. It is a film:

Four decades ago in Silent Spring, Rachel Carson (1962) wove together a fabric of evidence suggesting that parts of the modern chemical revolution were having unintended consequences, undermining human and wildlife health in unexpected ways. At the time that fabric was more Chantilly lace than Afghan rug, with the scientific pattern defined as much by the holes as by the threads of connecting evidence.

London

Hi Linn!

How are you ? Hope you are well 🙂

Does this look somewhat similar?

http://morgellons.shutterfly.com/action … 1690530922

The above is from my collection of ‘debris’ found on my body.
The image was taken at X200 magnification.

I’ve been debating what this could be 🙂

Thanks for the link Linn…what do you think ?

Best regards
Ukguy
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Cellular differentiation, mating, and filamentous growth are regulated in many fungi by environmental and nutritional signals. For example, in response to nitrogen limitation, diploid cells of the yeast Saccharomyces cerevisiae undergo a dimorphic transition to filamentous growth referred to as pseudohyphal differentiation. Yeast filamentous growth is regulated, in part, by two conserved signal transduction cascades: a mitogen-activated protein kinase cascade and a G-protein regulated cyclic AMP signaling pathway. Related signaling cascades play an analogous role in regulating mating and virulence in the plant fungal pathogen Ustilago maydis and the human fungal pathogens Cryptococcus neoformans and Candida albicans. We review here studies on the signaling cascades that regulate development of these and other fungi. This analysis illustrates both how the model yeast S. cerevisiae can serve as a paradigm for signaling in other organisms and also how studies in other fungi provide insights into conserved signaling pathways that operate in many divergent organisms.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articl … rtid=99013

London

Hey, UK Guy, in the film I mention up above it talks about
Chemicles. I found this film thatnks to TamTam

also: Developmental Toxicity of the Dithiocarbamate Pesticide Sodium Metam in Zebrafish

The answer to TamTam saying

"every answer represents research budget"

is: http://www.ciesin.org/docs/008-069/008-069.html

London

and to him saying……………

It is signal mediated, even signal in signal.
Its systematic can be expressed as well by one,
as by more than one morphologically diverse elements.

That answer could be this:
http://www.asheducationbook.org/cgi/con … 2004/1/283

London

Hi London,
What do you mean by this,
I dont understand? Is Tam for real
and trying to help or is there a game
going on or not.
I dont want to get in to an other
war about that. 🙂
this is. 😕 me

Ukguy,
I was just thinking about you today
and wondering where you have been

Have you been lurking? 😆

Well the sample you found looks
like it had dehydrated before it
could fully develope
Has a doctor seen it?
It is hard to get a good viable sample
of these things because I think we kil
l them to death at this stage where we can see them.

My dermatologist will not do the biopsy
(I went in for it twice) unless it is in a fresh
active stage. He told me the last time not to
itch and to get in to see him asap as I have
a new irruption.
In the meantime he prescribed a powerfull
antihistamine to take , but i am afraid I wont be
able to work if I take it. Just take it at night.

I think we should investigate Schistosoma
as a possibility. 8)
8) 8)
Take care
Lynne

Hi Linn-

Just wanted to answer the question that you asked London….."is TamTam for real?"

The answer is YES, he is for real – I know this for a fact and he is doing his best to help us, in his own way.

Please let’s not get into another debate about who is right or wrong. I don’t think any of us wants to loose this thread again, although it probably will never be the same.

Just keep in mind that we all have a common goal in trying to get our lives back, God willing!! I hope that you and your family are doing well!! I am still hanging in there, sometimes barely hanging on, and then sometimes just want to hang ME!

Take care of yourself-

befour

Am I the only one that is lost in this thread? I try to find out what is going on but it all seem like secret code or something, does not make sense to me. It makes my head crazy!

Too funny 😆 😆 😆
boy do you have a lot of reading
to do if you want to understand this one!!! 😆

Befour:
can you PM about what you know?

No I am not trying to start trust me, I
just get a bit confused with some things
how they are said. Just need clarification is all.

BTW every one I have some great news!!!
I have identified one of the "things" thast I found
for sure I know it is this: I kept insisting it was NOT
collembolla but then I finaly saw the larvae stage and it blew me away!!

I am so happy right now 🙂 😀
Check it out:
http://www.cdfound.to.it/html/ecto_col.htm#coll9

Dear Befour,

You hit the nail on the head; WE ALL HAVE A COMMON GOAL!

Lynn,

Weird, I posted you back last night with my answer and now this
morning it is gone. Hmmm…….
I said yes I think it WAS based on a game (I”ve said this repeated
ly..) They have this wrapped up in Artwork, Bands(music), films-(as
in movies) and boardgames.

The other answer Re: TamTam

Call me crazy, but I love TamTam and I think he is trying to help!

London

I can’t remember if I’ve already posted this/ It is something I found just yesterday. It is:
Quaterrylene diimide

A new, transparent infrared color gives plastic parts new characteristics: It blocks heat and does not need adhesive as binder

ps: MOST DYES ARE CARCINOGENIC!!!!

London

Damien James,

There are many aspects to this disease, and since we are not being treated, we do think there are some sinister things going on.

We try to find the natural causes, like worms, flies,
or vectors. But, there seems to be a genetic configuration going on. And I would add too, a biosensor type thing going on.

Many things have been altered and put in wild as biomass, bioremediation, biosynthetic matter.
What we are trying to find is the construct.

On the lymebusters board, under Morgellons we discuss ways to treat, and descriptions of what happens to us.

Linn,

Long time ago, I found this story about the Collembola, and found the Frans Janssens articles,
made of copy of it, took it to my doctors office and the PA practically laughed at me, and said well they don’t have anything else to do in Rumania, so they study this. He looked at other info I had and defied everything I brought up. He is is on my list.

I do think these are involved. As feeders, and/or vectors. I do not see how they can live in the body, deep inside in other organs. But, I do believe they carry something, that contributes to our suffering.

London,
I think you are on the tract there about environmental issues.

Here is something I found and it is a game.

Watch the BP commercials. "How big is your carbon foot?" An example of one of techniques they use.

Silent Spring was the beginning, now here is the plan. Not only our government.

http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Admin/OSR/RP2004/rplan.pdf

Also, the commercial that says "We don’t make the product, we make it better" BASF

Skytroll

Watch that last link, I tried to call it up and locked my computer. Downloaded, but didn’t show page. Will see if continues.
Let me know if you get on or not.

Skytroll

What do fly photoreceptor cluster and wing cells have in common with vertebrate inner ear hair cells and convergent extension?

The journal of cell biology
no 4 february 13, 2006

A delay exist with the release of new video footage.
This footage will show the relation between black spots, wing pattern and biosensor.

Thank You for your patience.

Dear Mr Barz,

All will be established rather soon. Every answer represents a research budget.

Just sit out next series video footage and you will understand more.

Quorum sensing can not be caught in pure culture to my knowledge, but still it can,
this depends on Your point of departure.

It is signal mediated, even signal in signal.
Its systematic can be expressed as well by one, errata:
chorioretinitis like I should have written.

Infestation of the vitreous with in density increasing
strands of (foreign) protein.
Not directly to associate with retinal lesions
But with vitreous floaters/ blurring, Ritters like.

Neurogenic bladder, like irritable bowel syndrome.
Disturbed motility

I kow there exist a connection with epithelial cell.
Quorum sensing/ vacuole/ exfoliative

Fact is that the micro organism seems to cause arrest of function.

Inhibition of (pain) signal?

That many people report to experience peripheral neuropathy could maybe also link this pathogen to
diabetes.

I expect a link with the neurotoxic properties of cyano.

But remember: prove looks different.

The pathogen has been isolated and I hope all association will become established.

Step for step.

Sincerely,
It is relevant because the same pattern exist in the target I have identified.

Your target.

A German television team was interrupting to get shots from MRSA.

Slides were changed and after observing the slides I knew intuitively that similar behavior is present.

"The fact that as well a Dutch superbug exist and an American made it link real time"

The Dutch mention "a stolen gene"
And Dr. J Gerberding waves to Europe.

The video mentions this relation.

A silent superbug
Insect like entity is part of the memory of the micro organisms that now live in and on your skin and in your bowel.

Basically they will reconstruct its initial dominant input, if bacterial load reaches momentum.

A property called quorum sensing.
This makes single cell micro organisms function on a multi cellular level.

So under perfect culture condition
they may succeed to reconstruct parts
(module) of an insect, or even entire insect.

See video footage.

Most dominant module is wing cutticle.
A chitin/ resin like fleece.
Also frequent are sensing parts like antennae.

Fibers seem a translation from mold to wing.
From cyano mold expression to insect cutticle.

"plant cell that think that they are insect wing cell"

Color seems to relate to lepidoptera wing pattern.

Wing spot.

Basically pigmented cell are eyes,
or better: photo receptor

Bio sensor!

Sincerely,
In regard to the existence of the Dutch superbug and the American,
and how as well people as bugs learn from each other,

Sincerely, New Scientist Breaking News – Superbug strain hits the healthyAlternatively, the Dutch superbug may be a similar strain that has evolved locally. The Scottish MRSA Reference Laboratory recently identified two new PVL …
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3460 – 43k – Cached – Similar pages

Return of the Staphylococcus aureus superbug… discusses some potential reasons for the discrepancies between the Dutch and UK studies, … TITLE: The Stapylococcus aureus "superbug" AUTHOR CONTACT: …
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical … wsid=17875 – 38k – Cached – Similar pages

tamtam

tamtam

Stay tuned.

as by more than one morphologically diverse elements.

The video will support earlier findings with more detailed information.

Itraconazole will be the best (single) suppresive therapy,
to my knowledge.

Just asking if anyone at all understands what Tam is stating in this thread ( cut and pasted above) and if so, please explain it in simple terms.

Honest question looking for an educated honest answer.

Thanks,

Randy 😉

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/drug … 92049.html

Tam:
Itraconazole will be the best (single) suppresive therapy, to my knowledge.

MedlinePlus Drug Information:

ItraconazoleItraconazole can cause congestive heart failure (condition in which the heart … Taking these medications with itraconazole can cause serious irregular …

PS IF YOU THINK YOU HAVE mrsa THERE IS A VERY SIMPLE TEST WHICH WILL TELL YOU IF YOU HAVE IT. IT IS A MOUTH SWAB TEST.

RE: New Scientist Breaking News – Superbug strain hits the healthyAlternatively, the Dutch superbug may be a similar strain that has evolved locally. The Scottish MRSA Reference Laboratory recently identified two new PVL …
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3460 – 43k – Cached – Similar pages

Randy 🙂

intraconazole did they prescribe that
for you or R? if so does it help?
You said it is fror supressive therapy?

Hi, london
I think I better
not talk about the game publicaly maybe? 🙂
But just PM me with the answer ok?(Edit)

Befour, (BTW hello 🙂
I think we will all get along now.
i just want to understand thats all.
It guess you are all privy to
some info I have yet to see.

I feel so dum band confused 😕

Sky,
So you had that too?
Well i am not even going to tell the
dr about it I just play dumb when I go.
Let him figure it out thats what he is
getting payed for and at least he finaly believes me
that I am having an immune system response.
But at least in my mind I am relieved that
I know what it is. FINALY
I saw it on my knee and the apple seed shape
things I dug out from the same spot.
The eggs are layed inside top layer of skin
where they incubate and when the larvae hatch its VERY itchy.

Since no one else is getting bit in my family
I have concluded that I am attracting them.
If there is a flea or mosquito gnat or any bug
and there are fifty people in the room they will all go for me.

What does that mean? Has any one else noticed that?
It seems though that as soon as I let up on the vinegar
(topically)and zinc(oral) treatments
I get worse so that is a tip for you.

Any way I have borax acided my house to death. 😈

Best wishes to you all 🙂

Skytroll,

Hey that was a good link back there, thank you!

Oh TAmTam, please come out and play with us. We need to hear from
you! Okay, just to let you know that I did find the fibers!!! Will you

please PM me if you do not want to post here?

Again, this message is for Steve Jurvetson and any of his "buds"
that might read this forum. I know what the fibers are and who is responsible too.

I will give you one last chance to contact me before I spill the beans.
As tacky as this might sound, oh yeah, I can be paid to shut-up

forever. And no, I’m not worried anymore that something will happen to me. I have all this info on multiple cd disk and in various safety deposit
boxes. So, regardless if something happens to me- my message will still get out.

and no, I have not figured all of this out yet, but I sure as hell do know about the fibers.

okay, hope to get a pm by in the morning….3-8-06

London

and one last thing Mr. jurvetson……

Tell your friend "Ross" I said hello. Is he still with the President of Eustonia?

What about Delft (sp?) Hows that going? and let’s see….oh yes the cd’s that malfunctioned back in November – I believe it was. You inow the one….San Fran and the HP acquisition……

These things have sure been on my mind lately as I’m sure they have been on your as well. Hey, canyou get me into see TED?????

PS: OH I CAN’T LEAVE OUT THE "Cannabis" PART CAN I? WHY I HAVE A PHOTO OF THE BIG OCTOPUS BONG THAT WAS IN ROSS’ES ROOM WHILE YOU TWO WERE POLITICING WITH THE PREZ FROM EUSTONIA.

THAT WOULD NOT LOOK SO GOOD IN THE NEW YORK TIMES WOULD IT?

GOTTA JET

hehehehe,

I hope you now know I mean business and would love to hear from you

Sincerely,

London

CREATING AN EFFICIENT DRUG DEVELOPMENT ENGINE IN ASIA

Jonathan Wang, Ph.D., Managing Director, WI Harper Group, San Francisco; Glenn Rice, SRI, Menlo Park, (full title to be inserted); Zhi Wang, (full title to be inserted)
Asia, a “late starter” in biotechnology, is gaining more and more attention from the Western biopharmaceutical companies. There are a number of converging elements which make this emerging market of great interest to the biopharmaceutical industry. With its low costs, rapidly growing market, favorable governmental support and high quality inexpensive workforce, Asia could become one of the world’s drug development centers. We will have an overview of these elements and will discuss how to capture the Asian opportunities.
Reduced Costs in Asia
The costs for drug development in Asia are generally much lower than the U.S. and Europe (Fig 1). Today, drug R&D costs are so high in the U.S. that it is hurting the productivity of the pharmaceutical industry. The average cost of developing a new drug in the Western countries has reached $802 million, up from $231 million in 1987, according to a study by Tufts University. A 1994 study at Duke University found that only 30% of marketed drugs had returns higher than the average after-tax R&D costs. The entire U.S. pharmaceutical industry is facing immense cost-cutting pressures.
Due to the high drug development costs, low productivity and drug pricing pressures, the traditional drug development business model is under serious evolutionary pressure. Most venture capital or partnership investments are focusing on the drug candidates at the Phase II clinical trials or later stages. A lack of financing to support the development of a preclinical drug lead or candidate from a research discovery to reach a “fundable” stage with significant clinical data has caused a “Valley of Death,” which is generating a developmental gap and choking translational research. While more and more money is poured into research institutes ($28B from the NIH alone in 2003), the industry’s productivity is decreasing and the drug pipeline is drying up.
FDA compliant drug development in Asia could be the solution for this serious problem. The average cost for pre-clinical development in Singapore is only approximately 50% of that in the U.S. It is even less expensive in Taiwan (40%) and Mainland China (25%). Lower costs would mean more “shots on goal” with the same amount of investment. “Shots on goal” can be defined as the number of drugs in the pipeline or the number of development programs per drug. More “shots on goal” would lead to lower risks for investors.
Government Life Sciences Support and Incentives
Asian governments have put in place attractive incentives to undertake business in their respective countries. These governmental incentives, including tax benefits and grants, have made developing drugs there even more attractive. The Taiwan government has put biotech as one of the two “star industries” which will be a focus for Taiwan. Taiwan’s Knowledge Economy Initiatives is putting NT$150B (approximately USD$5 billion) to jump-start the biotechnology industry there. Singapore regards biomedicine the new pillar of Singapore’s “knowledge-based economy.” The Singapore government is providing grants up to 35% of drug R&D costs to qualified biopharmaceutical companies. China has listed biotech as a top agenda in its 10th Five Year National Development Program. Japan has put life sciences as a top priority in its second Five Year National S&T Program.
As a result of such strong focus on life sciences, the quality of science is increasing at a stunning pace in key Asian countries. One indication of this is that both the quality and quantity of publications from Asia has been growing rapidly.
Asian Pharmaceutical Markets Become More Attractive
Asia is also rapidly becoming an attractive pharmaceutical market. Although today’s pharmaceutical market in Asia (outside of Japan) is only 5% of the global market (Fig. 2), the region’s growth rate is so high that it is rapidly becoming a significant market. Mainland China, with the largest patient population in the world, spent approximately USD$55 billion in healthcare

Has anyone seen this or commented on this if did see it?

I wonder about this. Looks like some of the stuff we remove from our arms legs, face.

Strange little fellow, coming out of Chile.

http://www.rense.com/general31/tinyt.htm

skytroll

Yes, I think this is very weird that you are not being treated. What does doctor tell you? MAybe they just don’t know how to treat and so do not want to cause harm?

I am having trouble finding exactly what is pathogen. Quorum sensing is said a lot about disease, but this is characteristic of only bacteria. So I assume it is prokaryote. But I am having problem finding analysis results of organism. And culture results. Why is this? Has strain not been isolated yet? I have other questions for later.

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unfortunetly,
many of us are not being treated because the
doctors hear what we say and because it doesnt
fit in to their neat little text book brain
they refuse to even look.

I

[/quote]

here is some info from one of the doctors
working on the case
of bacteria found thus far:

http://morgellons.org/rwupdate.html

Thank you for your imp 🙂 ut
Lynne

Skytroll,

I just saw your strange hyperlink. Maybe this goes with it?

Virus 2: The Real Story of the ‘Mir’ Threat

By Igor Popov

In a Hollywood blockbuster, the Russian orbital station "Mir," having fallen into the Pacific Ocean, threatens mankind with a terrible virus that it has brought in from the space.

It is interesting that in 2001 a similar chilling plot moved from science fiction to the news. Shortly before the Russian space pride found its last resort in the Pacific waters, both Russian and western media started to scare their readers with the frightening reports about "the Mir danger." The alarm was caused by nothing else but. . . a virus!

To be more precise–viruses. And some other tiny organisms that occupied the station while it carried out its space duty. The character of these creatures was as malicious as the galactic monsters of science fiction.

According to the specialists from the Russian Academic Institute of Micro-Biological Problems, which took part in the Mir space research, the first microorganisms–bacteria and fungi–were found right after the station was placed into the orbit 16 years ago. They were carried on board together with the space cargo. Although both the space shuttles and the cargo had to undergo a thorough anti-bacterial test, complete sterilization was impossible.

Throughout Mir’s life in space, the number of microorganisms grew continuously, one generation replacing another every 20-30 minutes. If in 1990 there were registered 94 species, in 2001 they numbered 140. But the real problem was not the species increasing in number but their growing aggressiveness: each new generation seemed to be more ferocious than the last.

Although the people who worked on the station suffered no serious harm (at least, if we believe the Russian Space Committee’s official statements), the uninvited guests still gave the cosmonauts a lot of trouble.

Penetrating into every single corner of the station, they showed an enormous appetite and demonstrated their capacity to eat up even highly durable materials. A vivid example of the bacteria’s’ "outrage" is illustrated by what happened to the window of a transportation spacecraft that docked to Mir when piloted by its last crew. Some time after docking, the cosmonauts’ attention was drawn to the rapidly deteriorating window glass. It was covered by a strange film, spreading "as quickly as in the horror movies," and became absolutely non-transparent.

The test results raised the researchers’ eyebrows. It turned out the quartz glass and the titan, which framed it, were damaged by a large colony of bacteria. As experts explained later, these microorganisms exuded a metabolism product–an acid so strong that it could easily corrode the window the creatures had settled on.

Besides this case, which rightfully belongs in the microbiology textbooks, the little angry bacteria more than once ate up the metallic casing and destroyed the equipment on board the station. Their next victim was the control panel of a communication device, in which the parasites devoured the whole insulation. When the astronauts Anatoly Solovyev and Pavel Vinogradov sent the device down to the earth, one could see that it was entirely green inside!

These dangerous activities of the Mir microorganisms worried specialists. In the spring of 2001, about a month before it was clear that Mir would come crashing down to Earth, a press representative of Russia’s Microbiological Institute Dmitry Malashenkov, in his interview with the newspaper Gazeta.Ru. put it straightforwardly that he did not know how the bacteria would behave after Mir’s re-entry. He also confirmed that they posed a danger to the integrity of the station’s hull.

Not less alarming were the rumors about 94 kinds of Mir bacteria being pathogenic and able to cause human diseases. This information contradicted claims by Russian scientific authorities. Yet some foreign experts, among them the Italian microbiologist Mario Pizzura, overtly accused the Russians of concealing the outbreaks of infectious diseases among the Mir crews.

In the meantime, unlike the level of threat the bacteria posed to the humans, the reason behind their aggressiveness presently raises no doubt.

Space mutations. Nothing else could change the descendants of the terrestrial microorganisms into sinister "metal eaters." Staying inside the orbital station and on its exterior and being exposed to radioactive space rays and sun flashes, their genetic changes went out-of-control.

Thus, it appeared Mir was attacked by mutes. Just like in another thriller.

But even more intriguing were the revelations of Russian space crewmember Anatoly Serebrov, who confessed that it was not merely microorganisms, which underwent mutations. Several Russian newspapers referred to him saying he had also seen mutating worms. "When one of the station’s devices failed and I set to dissembling it, I found there a yellow worm more than a meter long& I have not seen anything of the kind on the Earth," Serebrov said.

On March 23, 2001 the glorious Mir station came to its end. However, the concerns around its mutating creatures have not ended. Scientists fear that once in the ocean, the Mir’s changed bacteria may cause (and may have already caused!) negative changes in the Earth biosphere.

These allegations gave rise to a series of sensational news pieces last year. The stories held that, having come into contact with the local terrestrial species, the "space mutes" would start eating plastic, metal and glass and emit poisonous exhalations.

In an effort to claim these apprehensions, skeptics have held that any harmful substances would be burned to a crisp when the Mir fell through the Earth’s atmosphere. The "alarmists" still keep saying that, being extremely tenacious of life, the mutes could not be killed by the high temperatures.

Pouring oil on the flames was the comment by the Deputy Director of the Russian Academic Institute of Astronomy, Boris Shustov, who, sharing his opinion with a Gazeta.Ru correspondent, said the high velocity of the falling Mir did not let its temperatures reach the point that microorganisms would start to disintegrate. As an example, the astrophysicist cited the case of a meteorite that fell in India in the mid-1950s. When the locals came upon the site, they saw a huge piece of ice.This would indicate that whatever was inside Mir at re-entry could well be preserved, too, said the scientist.

His colleague from the same academic establishment, Anatoly Mikisha, added that one could hardly make precise temperature calculations concerning each specific part of the station. Mikisha also stressed that there are well-known kinds of bacteria, which can live even in the volcano craters. The temperatures on "Mir" must have been lower, he said.

Anyway, nobody has given a definite answer as to what eventually occurred to the weird inhabitants of the Russian orbital station once it came to rest on the Pacific seabed. The experts merely advised that one should better not try to find the Mir’s remains and steer clear from the area where it might be located.

But who knows, maybe one of these days the issue of the Mir mutes will once again make headlines. And in the process make a Hollywood scenario reality.

Copyright © 2002 by Igor Popov

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Igor Popov is a freelance writer based in Moscow, Russia.

From the Cover: In situ analysis of nitrogen fixation and metabolic switching in unicellular thermophilic cyanobacteria inhabiting hot spring microbial mats.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer … ing=f1000m

I know this has to be part of Morgellons…the zinc finger…….

TamTam, you around, we’d love to hear from you!
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FILAMENTOUS FLOWER, a meristem and organ identity gene of Arabidopsis, encodes a protein with a zinc finger and HMG-related domains

http://www.genesdev.org/cgi/content/full/13/9/1079#SEC2

London

Coupling of Human -Opioid Receptor to Retinal Rod Transducin in Chinese Hamster Ovary Cells1

http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/conte … /292/1/209

London

PS: Mr. Jurvetson, it’s Fiber Weekend …..starting tomorrow + a lil show & tell about that underwater Plane you were riding in!

Damien James,

Here is a snip from http://www.morgellons.org site…

"1) Two primary types of bacteria have been cultured from skins samples of multiple Morgellons patients. The bacteria are of two types; a chain or 2-4 rod-shaped bacilli and tiny, spherical, cocci/diplococci. On solid media the cocci make a hard membrane-like coating over the colony. The liquid culture of bacilli usually contains a very stringy material after a few days of culturing. Some macroscopic fibers have appeared in these cultures, but it is unclear where they are coming from. We are trying to determine whether they are environmental contaminants or a product of the bacteria. It is also possible that the long fibers are nothing more than DNA from the dead bacteria. We are currently performing PCR (to amplify the microbial DNA) and DNA sequence analysis of both of these isolated bacteria."

They go on to say that it does not appear to have a flagella.

I think some doctors do not know how to treat, but, majority seem to not want to deal with it, as Linn says, because it is not in the books, but,
to I would think they should investigate it, and they won’t. We are told we think we have parasites, called EKBOM diagnosis, which means have delusional parasitosis.

These are very real sores, lesions, and the fibers are present, black, blue, red, sometimes pink, white and clear colors.

We have fibromyalgia type pain in certain areas, have these in our hair, sometimes causes hair to fall out. We have swellings, and lots of pain with these. Sometimes, it feels like the fibers are wrapping around the nerves and destroying them, and it is extremely painful.

We have chronic fatigue too. Brain fog etc. Vertigo. Some of us have had Bells Palsy, which could also be Lyme Disease related.

Hope this gives you some info on our plight.

London,
great article "From Russia with Love" heh? You know, the above description from Morgellons sounds like those buggers they encountered.

Hey, I have wondered about that Aradopsis plant too, they did alter the genes in that and sent it out into the wild.

Got ladybugs hatching in my house. Course, snow is melting and we have rain, time for the spring stuff to happen up here in the North.

Zinc finger…….ahhhhhhhh. Will look in my garden this year and see what the wind blew in this time. Been finding strange flowers in my normal flower beds. mmmmmmmmm…….

Skytroll

Sky,
thats freaky. 😯
do you think they are telling
the truth that it was alive when they found it?
maybe its a miscarried fetus or something.

There are strange things in heaven and earth!!!

BTW
so you had found that same collembolla
larvae on you?
I wonder how many others have the same kind,
may be a type of collembolla parasitizing humans now.

I think maybe if so we can classify collembolla
definite as a vector,
I am going to see what mites are found on collembolla.

Later,
Lynne 🙂

Ok
london, sky and all,
this looks like a good one to print
and read with a cup of tea:http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/41638/Fumigation.pdf

This link looks good and sneaky 😈
I got tired of waiting for it to download perhaps
someone else can take a look
I bookmarked it for now.
Something about final alarm from the
goverment and involving collembolla:

http://www.ogtr.gov.au/rtf/ir/dir008finalrarmpa.rtf

PLEASE let me know what you think of and
it means anything for us.
🙂

Still searching for collembolla mites. 🙂
but does any one want to try to read this article?
the text is very tiny, but it looks significant:
Page 232 Collembolla, 20000–24000 (Ravlin 1996b); Diplura, 1647
(Ravlin 1996a); … parasitizing 97% of adult female nematodes in
suppressive soils; …

Regards,
Lynne

Lynne, I will look tomorrow and get back w/ you. (It’s late now)
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Contact: Kerry Murphy
kerry.murphy@tufts.edu
617-627-4317
Tufts University

Tufts University groundbreaking research on caterpillar locomotion
Tufts University groundbreaking research on caterpillar locomotion could pave the way to designing first flexible robot to navigate through human body, pipelines, reactors
MEDFORD/SOMERVILLE, Mass. –Tufts University neurobiologist Barry Trimmer is inching his way to unlocking the secrets behind the way caterpillars maneuver and climb, and is using that knowledge to one day build flexible robots that could explore internal organs, blood vessels and the insides of pipelines.
Trimmer recently received his third National Science Foundation grant, totaling nearly $1 million to date, to support this research.

An associate professor of biology in the School of Arts and Sciences at Tufts with expertise in cellular biology and neurophysiology, Trimmer has appointments in biomedical engineering at Tufts’ School of Engineering and in neurosciences at Tufts’ Sackler School of Graduate Biomedical Sciences.

"We are trying to understand how the nervous system controls these complex movements so we can replicate that movement and build our own soft-bodied robots that maneuver easily, like a caterpillar," Trimmer said.

He added, "Our research has potential applications in the design and control of a new type of flexible robot that could be used to navigate through pipelines or intricate structures such as blood vessels and air tubes, as well as space shuttle operations and building construction."

Trimmer’s lab is believed to be the only one of its kind to focus on the locomotion of soft-bodied insects, specifically the nervous system and how it works with the biomechanics of the caterpillar. (There are many biologists and engineers that study animals with skeletons and joints with a goal of building jointed, but not flexible robots.)

Two specific aspects of the caterpillar’s movement are being examined in detail: first, the research is trying to understand how crawling is controlled by the central nervous system and how it interacts with peripheral structures such as muscles and cuticles. Second, the unique ability of caterpillars to climb using curved hooks at the tips of the abdominal prolegs is being examined. This gripping is passive but very strong (similar to Velcro hooks) and can be actively released.

To examine these questions, Trimmer and his research team are using 3D kinematics, electromyography, hydraulic measurements, magnetic resonance imaging, 3D modeling and animation and biomaterials testing.

Caterpillars provide a useful survival model: They do not escape predators by running but instead use camouflage, chemical defenses and cryptic behavior. As a result, their movement – crawling – has evolved into a highly specialized form of locomotion which allows soft-bodied animals to crumple, compress and rotate body parts into confined three-dimensional structures such as tubes and branches.

Trimmer is working with Tufts colleagues across the University in physics, mathematics and mechanical engineering, and often employs undergraduate researchers as well. The majority of the knowledge about how humans move is based on research about creatures that walk, fly or swim using hard bones and exoskeletons (a hard outer structure that provides protection or support). By looking at soft bodied animals like the caterpillar, Trimmer can copy some of the unique ways in which they move.

This summer, the team will begin to design a physics-based computerized simulation model of the locomotion, and it hopes to have an operating prototype ready next year.

"We need to solve the artificial muscle problem first, currently there are no good soft actuators (motors) available," according to Trimmer.

"Professor Trimmer is a trailblazer in the field of biosystems and neural processes," said Susan Ernst, a biologist and dean of the School of Arts & Sciences. "His work could help scientists and engineers around the world navigate complex and even dangerous situations."

Trimmer – who is from Leicestershire County, England, and has been at Tufts since 1990 – has presented his work on the neural control of soft-bodied locomotion at several meetings over the past two years, including the British Biochemical Society, the East Coast Nerve Net meeting, the Society for Neuroscience Annual Meeting, and the Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology’s annual meeting.

For more information on Trimmer and other neural processes work being done in his lab, see: http://ase.tufts.edu/biology/faculty/trimmer/.

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London
so freaky what they are doing
with caterpillars
:shock:ially
but isnt it going to be mechanical?

Lynn,

I don’t know for sure quite yet….

Tam Tam (and all)

I just learned that Several moths, have large “eyes” on their hind wings. When predators approach, the moths unveil their hind wings, creating the startling illusion of an owl opening its eyes.

Please tell us how this relates to our illness.

London

London
I see no relation to the illness at all
lol
so what is a message that makes sense mixed in with that? or something weird?
I know with me its just a plain old biological insecta of some sort that happens to either carry its own parasite or is a vector itself of this lyme type disease. ???? But others may have an entirely different thing. some have contacted this from cosmetics for example. It is now known that they grind up bugs to put in some cosmetics. Some foundation for example has these incandecent crystalls in it.
More mystery hah?

Lynn,

You took the words write out of my mouth!

The Infamous TamTam just kept repeating…..what’s so significant
about the moths’ wing. and that was that.

Where is the lil demon anyway? I kind of miss him.

Oh TAM TAM, Where Are You? Hey, I just found out that there is
a newspaper in S. America and it is called, THE TAM TAM.

BUT I BET YOU ALREADY KNEW THIS, HUH?

London

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE PEOPLE GET YOUR
C-REATIVE PROTEIN BLOOD TEST. THIS IS HOW THIS DISEASE KILLS US LITTLE BY LITTLE. IF YOU HAVE A BAD READING YOU MUST GET ON PROVOCOL RIGHT AWAY. A FEW OF US HAVE BEEN TESTED AND THE RESULTS ARE ACROSS THE BOARD. PLEASE GET THIS TEST ASAP. IT CAN SAVE YOUR LIFE.

I guess thats proof of a real illness
and would explain all the inflammation
many of us are experiencing.
Thanx Randy
I will mention it to my doctor.
Lynne

Thanks a million RANDY; where and how have you been anyway?

Missing you here!

London

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter. … ifier=4648

Here is an article.

Been OK ..been to the docs getting lots and lots of tests since I now have insurance from my job. First time in my life.

randy

Well, here comes another nut case. Only my husband seems to be as nutty as I am. Moving hair is real. I have read my self into a stupor over this insanity. A doctor in Houston seems to be having some success. Why can’t we find other doctors who wil listen? I know from reading that we have to try all things helpful, and choose what works for us. I am so overwhelmed, I can’t even begin to begin. I was misdiagnosed for scabies two weeks ago and am terrified to return to the doctor. Anyway, just wanted to add me to the list of nutcases, and keep up with this site. If anyone finds a doctor in the south that might listen, please share. Our dept. of health is starting to interview people. Maybe someone here is finally going to listen. Trying to stay strong in Georgia.

mdmbfly,
maybe it’s something in the water here in ga that enables us to attain fullblown nutcase status. i personally recieved my certificate in the mail on tuesday. be aware however that i shall strive to futher my journey toward my ultimate goal of complete insanity by meeting with an infectious disease dr at grady memorial hospital on monday. my understanding is that once this requirement is met i will have to begin my workstudy program which requires me to chain myself to the fence in front of the cdc for the length of time it takes to bring media attention to the lies and misinformation they are spreading with regards to lyme disease and get an accounting from this esteemed institution (puppet theater) on its amazing display of ignorance concerning morgellons disease. i think they are playin (o)possum with us .what do you think?
at this point i expect to forcibly committed to a nice sanatariom, or else i may find myself on an unexpected" long term" vacation, destination unknown

Hi,

I’ve just started posting on the fibre disease board. I don’t think that there will be a problem if I just copy over my history for the benefit of those who don’t visit both. What is the difference between mrogellons and fibre disease anyway?

I am in the UK. I am living on the border between Lancashire and West Yorkshire where there appears a raging case of what appears to be Morgellons (based on a comparison of symptoms experienced with those read on the MRI pages). The understanding is that it was transported here in the wood of a packing case in which an engine was delivered to a company here. The engine (and case) came from the Bay area of California. My friend is very ill with it and has been trying to deal with it since last July. He has been diagnosed as delusional and has been on a 28 day section (detained against his will in the psychiatric hospital) because of the diagnosis. I had not seen him for some time and I bumped into him 2 weeks ago, in the garden centre. He was buying more chemicals to try and rid his business premises of it. He showed me a fibre protrude from a gaping lesion on his thumb. His shoulders were round his ankles and that night I searched the internet and found a complete set of his symptoms, as he had described them on the Morgellons Research Foundation web site (before I knew of the engine crate). We went to his GP and presented loads of papers printed off from the internet. They are still not convinced. This last week he has had some sucess with his premises by using his steam cleaner to introduce white vinegar into the environment and particularly up into the beams (it’s an old mill).

NOW I have fibres coming out of my hands. Last night I found an itchy site on my leg and sure enough I produced a fibre from it and a "projectile" that went off into the room somewhere. I have spoken to the GP. He says that I have no fibres coming out of my hands. I have the contact details of a physician in Bolton that I received from Mary Leito. I am going to make an appointment on Monday before it gets a grip of me and my home and my cat. Also, last night I sent an email to the Calderdale and Kirklees Health Protection Unit, as Mary Leito had requested in her email reply to me.

Who else is doing what in the uk? What is the most effective way of dealing with it?

Helen

Helen,

They are the same thing.

skytroll

… so why are there 2 boards?

There were more, but, the moderator cut some down, because there are many biology topics here, we were taking up all the first page.

Topics differ sometimes. but fibers and Morgellons, same disease

Skytroll

There were more than 2 boards. We deleted them. But those 2 contains valuable info. So decided to leave both.

please anyone. Please recommend a shampoo/conditioner–or product ..ie..(oil, lotion anything) that doesnt flake.
I am now having flakes/insects fly and pop off of my hair. This is embarrasing.
I feel as though I cant even go to church, for the fear of people noticing.
I had an incident while standing in line in the bank where the people behind me and in front of me noticed. They both got out of line and one mentioned something aloud.
I would like any help please.

T-gel shampoo helps.

Eco-vie has been recommended.

skytroll

Thank you for the advise. I will try T-gel shampoo.
Is there anything that helps with the white (dust) that seems to float off my body? Is that the lint that everyone refers to?
I have white (use to be clear) dust like particles and is very embarrasing . People aren’t sure what they are looking at but because it makes them itch. I know they are thinking bugs….
Anything for that?
Thanks

I want to know more about Morgellons in the UK (I used to live there). I may have something that can help you.

Russell Altman
morgellons@charter.net

I’m curious on the mold they mention on the video clip (think on #1) on crossinglines.net.
It was when my case with all the craziness started almost 5 years ago. Come to find out, our HVAC system was highly contyaminated with toxic mold. Needless to say, we got out. It took some time for our immune systems to reboot but as health regained, symptoms improved. Anytime I am around anything having to do with the slightest amount of mold, I get the ibby jibbies, my hair feels movement and it easily promotes another attack. I no longer have house plants, it has helped. I’m wondering how many others might be around a significant amount of mold and feel the same triggered effect?
Rae

The mold is an expression of a modified cyanboacterium.
Until 1920 cyanobacteria were regarded to be a mold.

Your infection concerns a quorums sensing micro organism.
Its also a multi cellular acting micro organism.

The micro organism will integrate in tissue in the form of adaptive protein and also shows the ability to infect native cell.

Sincerely,

tamtam

I am ching-yin lee. I had this for about 10 weeks and getting better. My doctor prescribed me [edited _no detailed protocol on the board thanks_] antihistamine, insecticide lotion and a steroid cream [/edit]
Also, i’m in touch with Dan Rutz, of communications and infectioius diseases from the CDC. His email is drutz@cdc.gov . ALso, try calling the CDC yourself at 1800 311 3435. ALso try calling your congressmen and senator to get the word out about this infectious disease.

Ching Lee
cylee1180@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/cylee1180/Morg … Haven.html

I do not know that it was ever regarded to be a mold.
It was previously classified as blue-green algae. 😉

Errata:

quorums sensing= quorum sensing
Until about 1917 cyano was regarded a mold/ fungus.

Not what I have learned.
I would like to know your source. as a historical lesson for me e 🙂 h?
Perhaps it was known by lay people as a mold?

You have to relate this statement in relation to the fact:

Base architecture:
Fusion cyanobacterium with a trypanosome like element.

The Genus Prototheca was described in 1894 by Kruger to designate
a group of non-pigmented unicellular organisms isolated from the mucous
flux of trees. Based on a yeast like appearance in culture, early investigators, including Kruger (1849 a, b) considered the organism to be a fungus. This view was generally accepted until West (1916) directed attention to its alga-like mode of reproduction. Unlike most yeasts, Prototheca does not propagate by budding, but by internally produced spores which are morphologically identical to the parent cell.This method
of sporulation is indistinguishable from that observed in the green alga chlorella. Based on this observationWest (1916) classified the organism in the chlorophyaceae. Etc…

————————–

Source:

Protothecosis – Algal infection

Bernard F. Fetter, Gordon K. Klintworth, and Harry S. Nielsen, Jr
Durham/ North Carolina, USA

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Sincerely,

tamtam

Plus:

Cultural Morphology:

On solid media, isolates of Prototheca are similar to many yeasts or yeast like fungi. cultures vary from white to cream colored and may be smooth, wrinkled, or pasty depending upon the strain. In diagnostic laboratory, the organism must be distinguished from species of candida and cryptococcus, and to a lesser extent from the yeast forms of Histoplasma and Blastomyces

ahh ….. who turn out the lights?

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I also suffer from Morgellons. At first I thought it was lice or scabies.. and after countless medication for it and many visits to doctors who didnt know anything, I finally googled my symptons online and found about Morgellons.
I believe it can betransmitted to others because months before I started with the symptons I traveled with a woman out of state and saw doing some strange things. She was picking her face with tweeezers while looking at a magnifying mirror. I asked her about it and she said it was nothing, I told her to stop that… Then I used to watch her scrape down her neck while driving and she was always scratching. Then I started seeing her lesions and would just stare because I didnt know what I was looking at. I then decided after a few trips out of town on business that I couldnt deaal with her, because I knew something had to be wrong.

It is a know fact that the 3 states with the largest reported cases of morgellons are CA, TX, and FL. Well those are also the largest ports of entry for imports from China and other countries. And china has peported morgellons since 1994. And with all the imports coming into our country from China, it could have been brought in all the apparel made in china. Who knows.
I know that after I feel the itching on me, I remove my clothes and am beginning to soak each garment in water for 30 minutes to see what comes up. Well sure enough small fleck, flakes, granules xcome out of the clothing.
The exact specimens no matter what the garment is. I always change the water to make sure so I do not get confused with what I see.
These are the same things I see in the bottom of the tub after taking a shower or bath. I bought magnifying glasses so I could see the tiny specks in the tup… and everytime they are the same. So I KNOW THIS IS REAL.

http://www.youtube.com/TheRealPhatgrower

This disease is real.