PLEASE HELP!!!

[horsebacker17]

Hi
I am required to write a really important report on "how humans are evolving and how might our species change in the future" and I really need help. PLEASE. I will have to stand up in class with my paper and debate about this issue and I have got to have something to go by. If I fail this then I fail the whole year, that’s how much of my grade this report counts for! Please help!!

[mith]

Do a forum search, we’ve got quite a few threads on this already.

[Darby]

Since evolution is a product of changes in circumstances / environment, you need to think about how that affects or might in the future affect humans. There’s no way to make any more than guesses about what track such changes might take.

But remember, since we are very good at manipulating our environment, its effect on humans is minimalized. We’re still essentially tropical animals, but we live in some very non-tropical areas.

[AstusAleator]

Probably too late for you, but the important thing to look at is, in each population, who is dying? More importantly, who is dying without having any children, and who is having the most children?

I tried to do some independent research on the matter once, looking at census bureaus and whatnot, and kept hitting dead-ends. Maybe you can do better.

[Doc44]

There is no right or wrong to this futuristic paper…what counts, grade wise, is how well you support your stated changes.

Doc44

Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow???????????

[Dustfinger]

How our species might look in the future ? Where can I find that ?

[sachin]

May be in comming 100centuries we will lose our hairs and little finger…….

[Locus]

quote sachin_at_biog:

May be in comming 100centuries we will lose our hairs and little finger…….

Yehs, and second finger will be giant… 😀 But why hear??? It’s seems to me a strong divise for sexual chois!

[arian]

as you are dicusing on this topic I wonder (no offense, please) Do you have any Biology knowledges? I am asking all of you becasue i am a new member here and I do not know very well. AS I was reading your thoughts and opinions on the forum I wonder do you know that we as human beings are out of the Evolution rules and this is becasue God crreated us in this way. The Bible tells us so. He created man and women. The Bible tells at Genesis 1:26 And God said, "let us make man in our image, after our likeness…"

You can read this on the Bible

[sachin]

Hey………. Many epics and books may say that…

But I strongly belive…. That human is also a part of evolution…. Not a dropped berry…… It might have alien origine but not as homosapien…. we have evolved…. and we have sapareted our selve from other food chains slowly….

[arian]

i do not agree with you. I believe that God created teh universe and everything in it. even man. God is over all creations. Bible tells that so.

[sachin]

Its my belife too… that God created all….

But nothing is directly came into existence…. Though god is great he/she won’t avoid or unseen those rules he have created while making universe…. he too need to obey rules when he come on earth…..

LORD had needed mother to get born….. He wont fall from sky like "Berry"…. understand… 😮

[AstusAleator]

We’re not going to get into a creation/evolution debate here, but I want to make one comment.

The bible states that God created one man and one woman, and that all humans came from those. Now we see populations of humans across the globe with dramatically different phenotypes (asian, black, white, etc). So since god only made one "type" of human, how did all these other varations come into existence if humans aren’t effected by evolution?

[mith]

I had to study that last semester, polygenist vs. monogenist.

[arian]

If you would read in Biology books the diversity between race and species you can ubdestand it. The individs can mate each otehr and their offsprings can be productable, se they an have their offsprings too. So the number of chromosomes between the races of human that are on earth is the same number. But we can not mate to the gorrillas who seems to be our grandgrand parents (Thank God not). The races diversed after the world climate changed after the Noah’s Flood. So when the clime changed the humans who populated the changed earth found themselves in differend areas and clime. They survived and now we have this human map today. It is the same on those areas where malaria has threated the population and on those areas we can find the highest percentage of anemia falciforme. Becasue of the sin we are facing those problems and tragedies on earth now.

[arian]

If you would read in Biology books the diversity between race and species you can ubdestand it. The individs can mate each otehr and their offsprings can be productable, se they an have their offsprings too. So the number of chromosomes between the races of human that are on earth is the same number. But we can not mate to the gorrillas who seems to be our grandgrand parents (Thank God not). The races diversed after the world climate changed after the Noah’s Flood. So when the clime changed the humans who populated the changed earth found themselves in differend areas and clime. They survived and now we have this human map today. It is the same on those areas where malaria has threated the population and on those areas we can find the highest percentage of anemia falciforme. Becasue of the sin we are facing those problems and tragedies on earth now.

[AstusAleator]

quote arian:

…AS I was reading your thoughts and opinions on the forum I wonder do you know that we as human beings are out of the Evolution rules and this is becasue God crreated us in this way. The Bible tells us so. He created man and women…

Human beings are obviously NOT out of the "evolution rules" as we can see specific signs of speciation among them.

I understand that you are making the argument (similar to Linns) that we may diversify within our "type" (or as you put it chromosome number) but we have not evolved from a different "type" of animal, nor will we evolve into another "type."

So this is the point where in previous evolution/creation debates where we’ve found it necessary to distinguish between macro and micro evolution. The former being the largescale change of organisms from one "type" to another, while the latter includes speciation and adaptation within the range of species/subspecies.

So now, I re-assert that despite your claim that a Creator made us all X-amount of years ago (an argument that will not be debated here) humans are not "out of the rules of evolution" as we can see specific signs of speciation among the various indiginous populations across earth. EVEN IF they were created x-amount of years ago, they are still subject to the rules of evolution.

quote arian:

If you would read in Biology books the diversity between race and species you can ubdestand it.

While anthropologists and sociologists debate that there are no "races" as that would imply evolutionary superiority/insuperiority to less educated members of society, scientists still recognize that the major races on earth are essentially sub-species of homo-sapiens. In fact, race is just another word for sub-species.

In conclusion I think you are underestimating our knowledge of evolution and/or creation, or perhaps you are overestimating your own. Obviously there is a language barrier here as well.

[arian]

Sorry AstusAleator! I am not over or understimate to any one knowledges aout Biology and any other subject. But as was wondering what is the conpcet of race and species, becasuse diffrents schols ahve different opinions. I am from an ex-communist country (Albania) during my all life school i was indroctinated by the theory of Communism that the human beings are overstimated and they comes from the monkey… so according to the Thesarus the meaning race is : to people; a group of common ancestry, distinguished from others by physical charachteristics, such hair type, colour of skin, stature etc.
to animals: a group of animals or plants having common charachterisitcs that distinguish them from other memers of the same species usually forming a geographically isolated group; subspecies.

[AstusAleator]

As far as science is concerned, humans are animals.
The purported difference between humans and animals comes into play in different fields of study such as anthropology, sociology etc.

[mith]

Race is being redefined, but it’s more of a social studies term than biological.

[Locus]

Sience ending were beliving starting… so if at the discussion about evolution of humans therms like "bible" or "god" is used disscution become meanless.
Arian, I am originally from "postcommunist" country to, but it is very BAD way to disscuese about humans and evolution under light of politic and religion – for sientifik discussion those think must be separated as absolutly as possible.

[arian]

Locus! we as scientist must see things under the true light and in the right way. I have been study evolution for one year as we say in my country under "the microscope light" means in details. Unfortunately the evolution does not convince me that the Human Beings have been under the evolution forces. There are some thought or rules that looks like evolution theory (forces) but at the End there is a Creator who can do that. In fact the Bible says: God created the universe in six days but it does not mean that those six days were 24-hours long term or thousend years long term, it says that the evening came and down came this is the first day….

I have seen the evolution under the communism point of view but also under the western thoughts pont of view but they are just coming around only to escape the theory of Creation.

So, accoridng to me, there is a Creator and later on I gove more details about that.

I am enjoying the debate here and I respect all of your thoughts and opinions. They are very professional. We can still continue on this subject.

thank you

[Locus]

quote arian:

Locus! we as scientist must see things under the true light and in the right way. I have been study evolution for one year as we say in my country under “the microscope light” means in details.

I have not learned evolution at this level – what I leaned at the school was not sierios? and what was at the university – was more "evolutionary stories" and not evolution as theory really. So almost all what I know about evolution I learned by mayself.

quote arian:

Unfortunately the evolution does not convince me that the Human Beings have been under the evolution forces. There are some thought or rules that looks like evolution theory (forces)

Why not? Which problems you see with forces? Also, thre is fraction of neutral evolution also. And it is extremly diffecalt to find forses of evolution exactly by looking postfuctum at the organisms – becouse we already have no exacly sequence of mutations that took place at the evolution process – so forces at the each step unknown.

quote arian:

but at the End there is a Creator who can do that. In fact the Bible says: God created the universe in six days but it does not mean that those six days were 24-hours long term or thousend years long term, it says that the evening came and down came this is the first day….

quote arian:

Creator can do all thinks – so if we will take it into account we will lost sience at all – for what? If there is creator why we must think about why sun is shining or such thinks?

quote arian:

I have seen the evolution under the communism point of view but also under the western thoughts pont of view but they are just coming around only to escape the theory of Creation.

It is very hard to talk about "theory of creation" becouse there is only 11 lines about exatly creation of organisms. Also, there is simply written "create humans" and may from ather organism, why not? And there is not written that Hi create each organism separatly. so, it is very poor explanation of the process.

[arian]

so the evolution will not arrange everything but God can do that.

[AstusAleator]

I want to re-iterate that a debate over whether or not there is a creator is moot and will go nowhere. Read any of the many extensive arguments on the subject in other threads if you’re interested.

what I was responding to was the assertion that humans are not currently being effected by evolutionary processes. This is a scientifically testable and debatable hypotheses, and doesn’t need any reliance on a creator.

If your argument is simply that humans are no longer evolving because God says so, then we can end the discussion right there.

If you have credible scientific data to support your claim that humans are not evolving, then please post it, and I look forward to seeing it.

[arian]

I am working on it and I will let you know.

[Author]

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