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    • #1611
      Sabrina
      Participant

      This thread is dedicated in loving memory to my virtuous and valiant
      friend and fellow victim of the Fiber Disease,
      Travis Allen Wilson.

      December 29, 1982 – April 23, 2006

      We carry on in your honor, rest in peace.

      With much love and sorrow,
      Sabrina

      http://community.theolympian.com/cgi-bin/searchobits.pl

      My family and I are afflicted by the insidious disease that people call Morgellons. We have suffered from this disease for a long time as it has managed to go by undetected and misdiagnosed by many doctors. We are being refused treatment of any kind even as I write this and our health continues to deteriorate at a rapid speed.

      This fiber disease has turned my life into a surreal nightmare that defies rational thought. It is by far the most bizarre and hideous disease that I have ever even heard of not alone had to endure. My life could very easily be made into a Hollywood movie and someday may well be, but for now I will continue to look for help in getting treatment, work for advancement in research, and help with public awareness.

      If you’re not scared yet then you very well should be as this is an ambiguous and evasive killer that no one yet has been able to determine its means of transmission. The fiber disease is spreading among our population and your doctor cannot even detect it. Most have never even heard of it and some deny its very existence.

      If any of you here can help to guide this desperate Mother to alleviate this condition I would be eternally grateful. I am searching for answers any where I can and am asking for your help.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

      UPDATE:

      April 30, 2006

      I am posting this update because I feel obligated to caution anyone who reads this thread to be extremely critical of all information that it contains. To anyone that may be new to this disease or its name, you may find this thread very confusing to say the least.

      A few leading, predominate, fact based, and verifiable people in this field who have done legitimate scientific research on this disease have contributed to this thread and should be recognized as such. This includes Dr. Schwartz, Dr. Martin, Cliff Mickelson and our new scientist Tamtam. Special thanks to Dr. Wymore who addresses my personal questions in form of an open letter and shares his most current and up to date research. I thank all of you for once again for helping and you are all to be honored.

      Initially I came here to ask for assistance from people who frequent this forum and did receive this. Thank you Biology-online.

      This thread has become a perfect example of how desperate the suffers are for some answers as to what is happening to them and how overwhelmingly crazy it is to have to shift through what is real and helpful and what is misleading and dangerous. It is very sad.

      It also shows the way in which this disease is too often presented and one can very easily see why medical professionals are reluctant to get involved in anyway. At this point, I cannot blame them as I would do the same and not give it another thought if I were not infected. Again, very, very sad.

      The unfortunate part in all of this is that the Fiber disease is real. I cannot see how a doctor or anyone else who does not live with this disease is able to differentiate how to tell legitimate cases from people who suffer from mental disorders. Unless you are infected by this or are able to recognize it, the borders are highly undefined and seemingly are often intertwined. Perhaps this is the very reason it is so difficult to get help and hinders any further research developments.

      I wish to close by once again thanking any individual who has taken the time to think about this medical anomaly and ask you to please remain open-minded.

      I have no doubt that this disease will affect many people in the future in one way or another, remember me. Until then know that I am still a desperate Mother that will not give up on the search to help my family in finding treatment and HOPE for a cure for this horrific condition.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #28120
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Here is what one research doctor says about this and so far it has been the most accurate information I have found that describes what we have.

      We don’t know how to treat this and it makes AIDS look like a walk in the park.

      Please view this link.

      http://www.s3support.com/Alternativecel … asitic.pdf

      Thank you
      Sabrina

    • #28188
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Ok, Am I shaking foundations here or do you all think I’m crazy?

      Doesn’t anybody here have one thing to say about this? Anything???

      There are thousands of us that all display the same exact symptoms in every state in America and even in some other countries as well.

      Because of the nature of how this disease acts, we believe that we are very contagious. The CDC has failed us and is allowing this to spread rapidly.

      Many of us test positive for Lyme disease and nobody knows why. I am proof of this as my test was positive as well as family members of mine.

      Is anybody here even curious about this? For God’s sake, WE GLOW!

      http://morgellons.org/fibers.html

      “How can these unknown fibers be described?
      The unknown fibers associated with skin lesions can be described as coenocytic (aseptate), smooth-walled, branching, filamentous objects. The fibers have been analyzed by FTIR (Fourier Transform Infrared Spectroscopy) and have tentatively been identified as cellulose.

      The elongated fibers are often twisted into balls or what appear to be bundles of fibers, as they grow within the skin. Many people refer to these bundles as fiber balls, fuzz balls, or lint balls. The fibers are clearly hyphae-like structures, and yet, due their immense size (150 microns wide), they do not fall within the description of known hyphae or pseudohyphae. The fibers are most often white, but are also consistently seen as blue, black, and rarely red. The fibers exhibit a high degree of autofluorescence and are not textile derived.”

      The Morgellons Research Foundation (MRF)

      Snip
      “Cases of this disease have been reported to this foundation by people living in all fifty states in the U.S., as well as fifteen nations. The majority of individuals reporting symptoms of Morgellons Disease reside in California, Texas, and Florida. Distinct geographic “cluster” areas of this disease have been noted near Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose and San Diego, California as well as near Houston, Dallas, Austin, and Round Rock, Texas.
      Physicians treating patients with this disease, believe that it involves either a novel organism, or a known organism acting in a novel way. This organism has been difficult to identify, but many physicians report that it appears to infect some individuals whose immune systems have been altered by Lyme Disease, also known as Borreliosis. The percentage of people with Morgellons Disease, who also suffer from Borreliosis, remains to be seen. One physician who has treated a patient with symptoms of Morgellons Disease, believes that the etiologic agent of this disease is Stenotrophomonas maltophilia, a resistant bacteria which can contaminate water. Another physician believes that Morgellons Disease has a viral etiology. It seems clear that, until public health agencies properly investigate this situation, the cause of this emerging illness will remain the subject of speculation.”
      Snip

      Please comment.
      Sabrina

    • #28194
      ERS
      Participant

      it is interesting. you personally have this Sabrina?

    • #28200
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Dear ERS,

      Yes, unfortunately I do. I have been having some results with the current treatment of high doses of Septra and Cipro. Nobody seems to be able to figure out if this is a bacteria, fungus, or virus as it displays qualities of all of them.

      If it were just me being affected by this I would have thrown in the towel a long time ago but, my child has it too and I don’t have a clue as to what I am dealing with. All of the doctors are completely stumped and nobody wants to treat it because they don’t know what it is. I can’t even get a doctor to send a sample of this stuff to the CDC and they won’t accept samples unless they are collected by a physician. I don’t know what to do. Any ideas?

      Peace,
      Sabrina

      Fiber Study link

      http://www.texramp.net/~chazman/JHav-02.htm

      Media Links

      http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde … 941&page=1

    • #28202
      iri_black
      Participant

      This is very new, and most of us have probably never heard of this disease. I think that’s why nobody can answer you.
      I think you shoul try to get in touch with some of the researchers that begun to study this. Maybe they can help with the CDC too.

    • #28204
      Chris4
      Participant

      If your family members have it is there a genetic link or is just because you are living close together and its infectious?
      Obviously we seem to have established thats its an organism but could there be something genetic which means you develop these symptoms when exposed. Immunodeficiency.

      If it is an organism which is in the water then has anyone ever got better when they have moved house. Have you been on holiday and its got better. Maybe worth trying.

      I’ve just been reading about Stenotrophomonas maltophilia (Which was mentioned above somewhere). It says here http://www.ascp.com/public/pubs/tcp/200 … nage.shtml
      that mortality rates are high. Had anyone died as a result of this disease? Maybe infection.

    • #28219
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Dear iri black,

      Thanks for your advice. I have been in touch with some of the researchers and unfortunately they can’t help. No body is funding their work so much has yet to be discovered. We desperately need the CDC to do their jobs.

      “This is very new, and most of us have probably never heard of this disease. I think that’s why nobody can answer you”

      This is also why no doctor will treat it either. What’s it going to take? It has become my job to educate doctors and if you know the kind of ego’s that many doctors have, then you must realize what I’m up aganist. I still cannot figure out why the CDC has not started to quarantine people!

      Dear Chris4,
      Thanks for providing that link.

      One chemist that came down with this has helped us look for some answers. He believes that it is genetically related as well. This is what he had to say about that.

      “Well it seems there’s been a LOT of research on the genetic implications of Lyme disease and corresponding affects on the immune system and subsequent response to antibiotics.

      Basically the bottom line is IF you have the HLA-DR4 genetic marker you become a "problem" for antibiotics alone to cure you because this bacterium or bacteria (I think we’re dealing with more than one type) mimics our immune system and is able to "hide" so unless you do a prolonged course of antibiotics (like the Marshall protocol) you’ll never beat this because antibiotics DO rely on your own immune system to kick in when the bacterial count gets low enough. If it mimics your body’s immune system, it can hide out indefinitely and thus we have chronic cases of Lyme disease.

      How do we beat this then?

      Dr. Schwartz proposes a gram negative bacterium with flagella called Stenotrophomonas maltophilia. Most with Morgs are testing positive for Lyme disease too caused by a gram negative spirochete acting in a viral manner called Borrelia burgdorferi. All I know is that ciprofloxacin will beat BOTH but I needed a way around the immune system mimicking. Thanks to Victoreah I think I found the last piece to the puzzle that should be the answer.

      There are two gluconutrients that biochemists have isolated from the Aloe Vera plant called mannose and galactose. The marketing groups are touting "8" necessary gluconutrients but that’s a bunch of marketing BS – all you need are those two. Basically the bind to cell receptor sites allowing for improved intercellular communication. The same sites the bacteria is trying to use to block immune response. Flood your system with these and suddenly the bacteria have no where to hide!

      I believe the cure for Morgellons is a combination of Ciprofloxacin and mannose/galactose. I don’t know what dosing or duration nor where to get the mannose/galactose combo (current gluconutrient packages seem to be multi-level marketed and are thusly WAY overpriced) so I will pose that as a challenge to other forum members here to find out for us. I have racked my brain way too hard over the past 48 hours coming up with this hypothesis but I think it has a very real chance based on sound science.”

      ”The HLA-DR4 genetic marker. Without it you’re basically immune to Morgellons. With it you can be infected because it mimics that gene code and your immune system won’t fight it. Don’t believe me? Have your doctor check for it – it’s found in 90% of chronic Lyme disease patients. It’s not a mystery any longer.”

      I’m not completely convinced of this yet. Nobody really has a clue how this is transmitted.

      Moving does help some but is not the answer and this is because this gets in our environment. It also comes off of our bodies so I don’t think the water is the biggest factor here either.

      You guys, I’ve never been so scared in my life. I have no science or medical background what so ever and I’m grasping at straws every day. Thanks for your help.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #28221
      Chris4
      Participant

      Sabrina
      Looks like Aloe Vera might be worth a try. You can buy it in various forms. I tried a cranberry flavour drink containing aloe vera not too long ago. (mainly because it was half price 😆 ). Its supposed to be good for skin. I have eczema and in some ways know how you feel (I know NO ONE can really know how you feel.). Even with something like eczema doctors still didnt have a clue what to do with me sometimes. I was in a right mess. They just kept prescribing me the wrong stuff. it was only when i went into hospital that i saw a specialist who knew what medicines to treat me with. Back to helping you…

      As this disease affects your skin and is linked to the immune system Aloe Vera may help. Look for it on special offer or buy it online, where it might be cheaper.

      You could obtain mannose and galactose from other sources, but if both of them are in Aloe Vera then i’d take that. If nothing else, Aloe Vera is going to be good for you. As for dosing and duration. Take what it says (probably the larger dose out of the options) and your going to have to take it for at least a few months as these things can sometimes take a while before you see an effect.
      Some info about Mannose and which foods contain it:
      http://www.innvista.com/health/nutritio … annose.htm
      and galactose (Milk seems to be the best source because it contains lactose which is hydrolysed to glucose and galactose) Altough diary products and lactose can cause immune reactions, allergies etc (but thats another story)
      http://www.innvista.com/health/nutritio … galact.htm

      Can you answer a few questions about Lyme disease? How did you or your other family members get this disease? Because I have always thought it was trasmitted by ticks.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyme_disease
      It also says on Wikipedia that Lyme disease may be transmitted sexually. Which you mentioned. so i’d check this out.

    • #28230
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Dear Chris4,

      Thank you very much for those links! Very helpful. And I’m sorry to hear that you are suffering from a skin condition too. I’m glad you finally got the correct help as I know how frustrating it can be.

      Many people are seeing good results with the aloe juice; I’ll get some very soon and see what happens.

      As far as Lyme goes, only the best labs (Igenex and Bowen) with the most sensitive tests are able to pick this up.

      Lyme Disease Testing | Tick-Borne Disease Testing

      http://bowen.org

      We don’t know if it is actually Lyme at all, or if they are just detecting an aspect of Morgellons. It very possible that Morgellons causes Lyme, or visa versa. Only professionals like you guys can figure that stuff out. Yes, Lyme can be contracted sexually although doctors don’t seem to be aware of this fact for some reason and the general public hasn’t been told either. Apparently this is not the only way to catch it since my child has never had sexual relations. I didn’t know anything about this disease until I recognized the Morgellons symptoms, but found it pretty easy to learn about it and thank God I did.

      “LYME DISEASE (Borreliosis)
      A Plague of Ignorance Regarding the Ignorance of a Plague
      © Copyright 2004, Dr Scott Taylor, DVM, All rights Reserved”
      http://www.autoimmunityresearch.org/lyme-disease/

      My child’s “top notch” doctor had misinformed me and told me Lyme could not be passed by breast milk. Well, all it took was one look at Igenex’s website to see that not only is it detected in breast milk, but semen and various other tissues. When I called their 800 number, they also told me it can be passed invetro. I can’t figure out why I know this information yet Infectious Disease doctors don’t. I’m no proffesional
      nor do I have any kind of real medical knowledge, for Pete’s sake!!! 😯

      Where did we get this? Well now that’s the million dollar question and I’d have a Nobel Peace Prize if I knew the answer to that one! 🙂

      I was stationed in Connecticut when I was in the Military and it is right next to Lyme County. Maybe there??? I don’t ever remember being bit by a tick and I’m 98% positive that my child never was either.

      One strange aspect to the Morgellons is that this stuff acts, and can feel like an actual bug! It can jump from one person to the next. Strange, I know but it’s true. I have seen this under a blacklight. It can be felt also but is not visible until the Ultraviolet light is on it. This creates many problems for people suffering from this as doctors, family members, and friends can’t see anything on us and most people don’t know about the blacklight technique. When I have showed this to doctors, the only reply I get is the same exact one. All they can say is, “I’m not sure what I just saw” and then they send us away. Yes, I have to pay good money just to hear that. I am one of the 5% of people with this that has managed NOT to get the DOP diagnoses and I believe this is why. I’ve been able to show them how to detect it and what it looks like, not to mention what drugs are being used to treat it. Don’t know why I am the chosen one but I really don’t want to have to inform doctors, I need them to know more about this than I do. Here is some more background.

      http://www.ilads.org/morgellons.html

      Now, I do know that some bacteria can produce this type of phenomena but I know this is still not it.
      http://www.curie.fr/upload/presse/cellm … y02_gb.pdf

      It is my belief through personal observation that this can and does infect other people by “jumping” on to them. This is just one more reason to take this disease very seriously. What is wrong with the CDC????? 😯 😯 😯 Why are they allowing this to spread? Why is the medical community clueless?

      I know you guys don’t have all the answers for me but maybe someday you will. Thanks for taking the time to look at and ponder my dilemma. Thanks for being open minded too.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #28236
      ERS
      Participant

      Isn’t PA lyme country?? I used to live out that way and it seems that we were always to keep our proverbial eyes peeled.

      This is an interesting thread.
      ERS

    • #28249
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Thus, the controversy……

      “Plum Island is a legend, but not a myth. Just off Orient Point, Long Island, and six miles from the Connecticut coast, Plum Island is the site of a United States Agriculture Department Animal Disease Research Center. The USDA acquired the island from the War Department at the end of World War II with a charter from Congress to study animal diseases such as Foot and Mouth Disease. In surrounding communities, distrust of Plum Island runs deep. Lyme Disease takes its name from a Connecticut town across from the island: many wonder whether birds or swimming animals could have brought the disease from Plum Island. Some suspect this might be the case with West Nile Virus as well. Plum Island officials, of course, dismiss such hypotheses as fantasy.”

      http://www.gene-watch.org/genewatch/art … sland.html

      “Apparently the first appearance of what we now call Lyme disease a mere 13 miles northeast of the facility falls under the category of coincidence, as does the mysterious and still unexplained appearance of West Nile virus in Long Island and New York City.”

      http://eyeball.sabotage.org/plum-eyeball.htm

      Here it is.
      Old Lyme

      And it’s everywhere now.

      "Lyme disease has been reported in 49 states and on four different continents. In 2002, there were 23,763 new cases reported in the U.S. Between 1996 and 2001 the number was level at about 17,000 new cases per year, but increased by nearly 7,000 cases in 2002. See Figure 1 below from the CDC."

      http://textbookofbacteriology.net/Lyme.html

      I have heard it said in a news broadcast that Lyme is now spreading faster than AIDS. I don’t know if this is true, but that’s what they said.

      Dear ERS,

      I am very happy to see that you find this intresting!!!! 😀 I hope more people with take an interest so we get some help!

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #28679
      Sabrina
      Participant

      http://www.canlyme.com/borrmovie.html

      See movie of live spirochetes in skin cells.
      (It may take awhile to load but it is worth the wait so be patient.)
      Click this link:

      http://www.auburn.edu/research/vpr/iptt … moviesm.rm

      HIGH-RESOLUTION OPTICAL MICROSCOPE
      INVENTORS: Dr. Vitaly J. Vodyanoy, IBDS, Dept. of Anatomy, Physiology & Pharmacology, Veterinary Medicine Dr. W. Charles Neely, Department of Chemistry

      DESCRIPTION:

      This invention embodies an optical direct-view microscope capable of 1000 angstroms resolution. This state-of-the art microscope is particularly applicable to living biological systems where cellular structure and functions can be depicted in real time. Sample preparation techniques such as freezing, dehydration, staining and metal deposition are avoided. The microscope has been adapted to use reflected light which can be used for opaque objects to obtain high resolution images of surfaces.

      ADVANTAGES: The high-resolution microscope has a distinct advantage over other high-resolution microscopes in that living cells can be observed directly in real time with sample fixation. See video below.

      APPLICATIONS/MARKETS:

      Biomedical research
      Medical clinics
      Microbiological research
      Biotechnology industry
      Nanotechnology/nanofabrication
      Pharmaceutical industry
      Microscope manufacturers
      TECHNOLOGY STATUS: A variety of living cells have been observed and photographed with this technique. A research unit is available for evaluation.

      PATENT STATUS: U.S. & PCT Patent applications filed.

      AVAILABILITY: Available for exclusive or non-exclusive license.

      CONTACT:

      Office of Technology Transfer
      309 Samford Hall
      Auburn University, Alabama 36849-5176
      (334) 844-4977-Phone
      (344) 844-5963-Fax
      email: [email protected]

      Let me know what you guys think about this please.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #28763
      iri_black
      Participant

      @Sabrina
      I think many of us are very interested in this. But maybe too “small” to help in other ways than our personal opinions and advice. 🙁
      I think Aloe vera is something you should really try. I believe it’s a miraculous specie(hope I’ll study everything about it one day).
      Good luck

    • #28771
      MrMistery
      Participant

      Aloe vera is just one of the things of this sort you can try…Naturist medicine offers tons of things… Also homeopatic remedies are something… But none of them is proved medically

    • #28910
      Sabrina
      Participant

      If you guys saw the video of this bacteria swimming around in and out of the skin cells then you would know that no Aloe Vera on any planet is going to kill that nasty bug! I’m on an antibiotic protocol right now that has been dubbed “the chemotherapy of antibiotics” and that’s still not killing it as I continue to show signs of active infection.

      But, that’s just the Lyme part. Unfortunately, I still have this whole Morgellons issue to contend with.

      Am I the only one to find it amazing and even disturbing that a disease such as Morgellons is not being investigated as it should? Why are doctors clueless? Where is their intellectual curiosity?

      I believe we could be dealing with some type of man made biological agent. Believe me, their is nothing natural about this! I have small fibers that are not visible until put under a blacklight and these fibers come from the pores of my skin. No doubt this florescence is an intentional marker of some sort.

      Thousands of people now have this too and a lot people don’t even know it yet. I had it for a long time before I was ever able to put a name to. Once I found others, the symptoms I shared with them were undeniable.

      If you guys think you are too "small" to help, how do you think an I feel? No, you guys are not too "small" because you have already helped by keeping an open mind and giving this issue your sincere thoughts. Thank you for that.

      This is very frightening to have and I think it is cruel that the sufferers have been left to fend for themselves. What do you think is needed for this disease to be taken seriously and properly researched? How can I help the medical community help us? What else do they need?

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #28926
      Chris4
      Participant

      Unfortuantely this is the reality with a lot of conditions. 🙁
      Doctors really don’t understand it and its so difficult to treat.
      I’ve had to put up with a similar situation with my eczema for the past 5 years. There is no cure, just treatments which mostly fail and doctors just dont have a clue. It seems that unless people are dying from it you are left to fend for yourself. 😥 But it only takes one team of researchers or one doctor to make a breakthrough so it could all change.

      Is there a charity or society for your condition? This would raise money for research and also increase knowledge of the disease among the general public.

    • #28966
      southcity
      Participant

      Hello. I have had this disorder now for close to 3 years. I am 99 % sure that is was vectored to me through a bedbug bite while staying in a south san francisco hotel. http://www.nondelusional.com to see some pictures, videos, and a questionaire to fill out if you also suffer from this. my sites goal is to gather enough stories and photos from people suffering from this that anyone in their right mind would see this is real and not imaginary. Make sure to look at the link page too for lots of thought inspiring direction into this very difficult to explain disorder.

      Note my page has been getting hacked alot lately for god knows what reason. ive been having to reload it daily for a week now. if a page wont load just check back later and it should be back up. and no Im not selling anything.

    • #29246
      southcity
      Participant

      try to imagine the symptoms of scabies multiplied by 100. then add the fact that no one believes you. if you cant let me tell you its enough to drive anyone a little bit nuts.

      If you go to this pest control companys question and answer forum http://www.e-bug.net/forum/index.shtml simply view the questions being asked concerning invisible bugs, whats biting me, what is it and how do i kill it, mystery bug bites,etc etc You will see that there a quite a few questions concering this. Next search their archives going back 2 to 3 years and you will see there are hardly any of these same questions asked back then. so it is spreading. Its an terrible thing to go through so pray you dont get it.

      If you still dont believe me, come on over and give me a big hug you bum and spend one day with this nightmare.

    • #29254
      iri_black
      Participant
      quote Butterbone:

      When a large portion of the people reporting they have “Morgellons Disease” also report that they believe the disease came about after they had contact with “aliens” or “Martian Meteorites” and so on, it is going to be impossible for science to take it seriously.

      I don’t think it’s important what people say about this. The opinion of specialists is important.

    • #29338
      Butterbone
      Participant
      quote iri_black:

      I don’t think it’s important what people say about this. The opinion of specialists is important.

      To a specialist, what people say is just as important as actual evidence.

      There is plenty of “opinion” by the “victims”. Using that in conjunction with data, gives you paths and directions you may not have had with either one seperately.

      There is as of yet, no actual evidence.

      Doctors don’t just ignore things they don’t understand. Most of them flip out over something truly different that they can’t wrap up easily.

      Specialists don’t just throw their hands up in the air and say-“I don’t know what you got dude you must be crazy”.
      If that was the norm there would be no specialists. Specialists are driven by an interest in something specific. Hence the name.

      So this “disease” is a bigfoot or loch ness monster or little grey abductors.

      You can rage against the machine all you want.

      But without proof you just make yourselves more of a cult that noone wants to listen to.

      There is evidence right?
      The little black specs?
      The “fibers”.
      Lesions on the skin can be caused by ten thousand different things.
      Why not take this Trace evidence that is supposed to exist to a professional and find out what they have to say?

      I bet some people have.
      I will also bet, near gurantee, those people didn’t like the answers they got back from the professionals so they never talk about that.
      They wrote it off as elitism, or bigotry of some sort.
      Oh the great equalizers.

      These little black specs. Like a black grain of sand. May indeed be some form of insect feces. Crickets, Bedbugs, Cockroackes, the possibilities are constrained by continent and region and what insects reside in them.

      But that wouldn’t fit with the answers you want would it.

      What about these fibers?
      Shouldn’t be hard to have a materials analyst look it over. Put it in the microcope. Tell you if it is synthetic or biological.
      Whether it is organic, or petroleum based.

      But those who have a collection know in the back of their mind that the answer they will get won’t allow them to rant maniacly about how they are being disadvantaged and ignored.

      I’ve had two substances analyzed for me. FOR FREE.
      At the University of Cincinatti which turned out to be nothing more than calcium something or other that was growing in my basement because it was damp and dark and underground natural rock construction.

      And I had a blood sample from one of my dogs analyzed because he just keeled over one day with odd twitching and biting his own tongue and I wondered if maybe someone poisoned him.
      Well he was poisoned. Natuarally.
      It seems much of northern kentucky southern ohio has natural springs that pop up during heavy rain seasons and sometimes those springs can access deposits of strychnine or cyanide I don’t remember which one it was. It was 12 years ago or so. Anyway animals drink the water or even just walk through it and boom they die later.

      They told me it was nothing abnormal. If I was worried about my other dog, just keep him close to home and don’t let him drink out of mud puddles for a couple weeks until the water tables lowered and the toxic stuff went back in the ground.

      The next week there was a dead cat and several dead large crows and then two weeks later nothing was out of the ordinary.

      I didn’t have to pay tons of money.
      I didn’t have to call newspapers and create a national interest.
      I just went to the university chemistry department asked to speak to someone from the labs, asked them if they could tell me if something like this (getting tests done) was possible, or if the sample I had with me was something dangerous, and they said SURE. No problem.

      I signed some papers saying they were not responsible for damage or return of the items I was giving them and that the results they offered me were in no way legal to be used in court and the the school was in no way associated with whatever it was I was doing with the materials or results of the tests.
      Do-Da!

      Why don’t any of you try that?
      Hmmm.
      Cause you know you don’t want a scientist to get ahold of your “proof”.
      You don’t want someone to analyse your “evidence”.

      Now, the vicitims are part of a group. And that group has passion, direction, and purpose. If anything gets solved most of the Morgellons sufferers go right back to being plain Jane and Joe, either with medications
      or with a pat on the back saying nothing is wrong.

      And nobody wants that do they.
      Well not from what I have read.
      And what I have read has been offshoots of links that have been provided in this thread.

      Posting this rubbish on a legitimate forum does not legitimize it.

    • #29345
      canalon
      Participant
      quote Butterbone:

      quote iri_black:

      {zapped lots of stuff}
      Posting this rubbish on a legitimate forum does not legitimize it.

      I do completely agree with what you said above and I cut out, yet I cannot agree with your conclusion. True this forum cannot be completely exact, yet the moderators have as a policy to let people talk as long as they respect the forum rules. Even if this morgellons diseases is pure bullshit, I cannot rule out a part of doubt that there may be something beside, so as a mod I cannot trash the thread.
      Yet I will recall to every one that we do not want any flame war and that you better behave and avoid name throwing, or the mod will have to take actions.

      Thanks

      Patrick

    • #29446
      southcity
      Participant
      quote Butterbone:

      quote iri_black:

      I don’t think it’s important what people say about this. The opinion of specialists is important.

      To a specialist, what people say is just as important as actual evidence.

      There is plenty of “opinion” by the “victims”. Using that in conjunction with data, gives you paths and directions you may not have had with either one seperately.

      There is as of yet, no actual evidence.

      Ok butterbone. sounds like this is your profession so give me a few links to some seriously inquisitive minded professionals that will “flip out” somewhere in the bayarea in california. You give me a name and I will supply the doctor with interest. I wont bore you with other stories but beware my friend with a closeminded, lousy attitude such as yours, your karma makes you prime to be the next in line to get this. Also have you ever considered that maybe a neighbor of yours whom may think you are an …..hole poisoned your dog? This seems likely considering your aggression. Not one story submitted to my site at http://www.nondelusional.com mentions any of the things you bring up above. Its legitimate and time will tell because this is contagious and seems to have a lengthy latency period. If my girlfriend is an example it can take around a year to develope symptoms. Now she has it full blown while I in the other hand seemed to have developed somewhat of a tolerance to this. I bet you felt the same when aids first started being reported, or lyme disease or legionaires disease and the list could go on. I would love to get some answers, any answers other than its in my head. bullshit I know my body and I can pinpoint the time and place that I aquired this crap. so again beware your karma because this is one bug you do NOT want to run across.. Also go to this link where the director of the health and human resources of duval county florida states that there is enough proof now concerning this to warrent an investigation. http://www.cbs47.com/news/reports/story … E8599D16B7

      so eat your words my pompous friend and give up some research avenues smart guy

    • #29487
      southcity
      Participant

      http://www.cbs47.com/news/reports/story … E8599D16B7

      even the cdc admits this is a topic of concern see here. http://www.nondelusional.com/cdc01.jpg

    • #29488
      southcity
      Participant

      Those that are treating people with the morgellons symptoms are treating as if a positive lyme diagnoses has been made. infact 95% of those with symptoms have tested positive for lyme. one product that is over the counter that has shown extremely positive CLINICAL results for the treatment of lyme disease and its symptoms is Samento. TOA free form only however. Just google samento and you will find some valid clinical studies reported with this. I am on week 1 with the product and as of yet have nothing to report good or bad, but Ginger Savely is one who is treating people with morgellons states that if you effectively treat the lyme symptoms the morgellons symptoms will go aswell.

      good luck

    • #30221
      hoosa
      Participant

      I have Morgellon’s Disease as well. I discovered it early on but have not been able to get a doctor to help me. This is what I went through when I was visiting my dermatologist: I went in with a speck of whatever it is growing on my arm. He scrapes it off and puts it on a plate of glass and leaves the office to examine it. He returns saying that it “looks funny”. I ask him if it’s scabies and he says no but then issues me a prescription for Elimite in case it’s scabies. I gave up with my dermatologist and all of the other doctors that I’ve been dealing with this past year. I found out that a Dr. Savely was treating people in San Francisco but am not able to get in so I found out what she was treating people with and have ordered the medications myself from overseas pharmacies. I will post another bulletin after I’ve received them and have used them. It seems that not everyone responds to treatment the same. If you want to post a response to this accusing me of being irresponsible by purchasing from overseas pharmacies or by suggesting that other people do so, well, be it as it may. I’ve tried working with the doctors but am scared out of my wits. I’ve read the horror stories of those who have not received treatment and know that if I don’t take action… no one will. Sometimes I can hardly breathe, I have lost a ton of hair, I have strange pains in my muscles, have found strange granular growths on my skin and have released pimples to find a ball of some kind of fibrous material inside. I show these things to friends and family members and they are scared for me. They have read about this online and know that nothing is being done about it. Remember what happened to all of those people who had syphillis before they figured out what it was?

    • #30235
      MrMistery
      Participant

      This phenomenon seems to be quite big… I really wonder why nobody cares about so many people that have such a horrible desease…

    • #30256
      southcity
      Participant
      quote MrMistery:

      This phenomenon seems to be quite big… I really wonder why nobody cares about so many people that have such a horrible desease…

      Hello and thanks for taking an interest in this because it is so needed. My website http://www.nondelusional.com is set up with the intent of showing proof of this illness through stories and pictures from other people that are similiar to the ones I have taken. the proof is there and its quite convincing even though the site is far far from done. In the meantime the visitors to my site have not been your everyday websurfer or sufferer of this illness. To name a short list of places that have visited my site are, and I swear Im not making this up. In fact Im still pretty green concerning my site so if any one can help me with log analysis and placement of session cookies on my site I would be gratefull. if you can or will please email me at [email protected].. Now to the list of encouraging and quite possible frightening visitors..

      –U.S senate sargent at arms
      —Dept of Defense Network Information Center (this is the upper level network of the us govt. and pentagon. bush, cheney, rumsfeld and the like.)
      –The ATDIV.LANL.com (this is the los alamos nuclear labs advanced tech division.)
      —Haliburton
      —Ratheon
      —MacDonnell Douglas and Boeing research divisions
      —IHS (the Indian Health Services)
      —The virginia supreme court
      —The US air force San Diego
      —SITA-Societe Internationale de Telecommunications Aeronautiques (france)
      —University of Texas – Pan American
      —San Diego State University
      —MILLVILLE RESCUE SQUAD
      —Battelle Corporation
      —University of Georgia
      —Northrup Grummond
      —University of california
      — CYVEILLANCE.com (DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS COMPANY? WHY MIGHT THEY BE WATCHING MY SITE? AND FOR WHO?)

      This is a short list but lists the heavy hitters so to speak. Its obvious that they know about this so what frightens me besides the lack of public acknowledgement is the fact that no one from any of these sites has made any effort to contact me.. Its almost like they are simply watching this thing spread.. My god I pray this is not the case. Perhaps someone opened pandoras box and cant shut it again and does not have the integrity or the balls to come out and admit their mistake. I dont have these answers so there is little choice but to be frightened of the govt visitors not to mention having just witnessed the response given to the hurricane victims in LA and TX. So having said that about the govt responsibility and response to public health and safety Ive given up hope on them. but thats a whole complete thread to write about these lackeys in office.

      Anyway any advice on my websites logs and analysis would be greatly appreciated. Just make sure to be very aware and carefull when away from home whether in hotels, cruise ships or what have you. this is when the majority of those reporting this illness say they can first remember symptoms begining, Myself included. I am certain that the bites from bed bugs were the vector for myself..

      As to the person requesting links to parasitoloy websites. try this link http://www.google.com/search?q=parasito … S:official
      There is plenty there to go through.

      Southcity

    • #30270
      Chris4
      Participant
      quote MrMistery:

      This phenomenon seems to be quite big… I really wonder why nobody cares about so many people that have such a horrible desease…

      🙁 but true. It isn’t life threatening. Look at the major dieseases we are fighting today which kill millions. cancer, heart disease, aids… Its upsetting that we neglect these diseases in which a cure is hard to find but they cause so much suffering to the individual. I think this can however mean that the disease is life threatening when the person decides to take their own life because they can’t go any more.
      As i’ve mentioned before its like my case with eczema. There isn’t enough being done to help people suffering from these diseases.

      If you could give money, time and resources to finding a cure for a disease, would it be this one or cancer (or aids or another major killer if you like)? Thats the main question here. Now theres a debate…

      Another question – why is this disease only in USA? Has it not spread to other continents yet?

    • #30277
      southcity
      Participant
      quote Chris4:

      quote MrMistery:

      This phenomenon seems to be quite big… I really wonder why nobody cares about so many people that have such a horrible desease…

      🙁 but true. It isn’t life threatening. Look at the major dieseases we are fighting today which kill millions. cancer, heart disease, aids… Its upsetting that we neglect these diseases in which a cure is hard to find but they cause so much suffering to the individual. I think this can however mean that the disease is life threatening when the person decides to take their own life because they can’t go any more.
      As i’ve mentioned before its like my case with eczema. There isn’t enough being done to help people suffering from these diseases.

      If you could give money, time and resources to finding a cure for a disease, would it be this one or cancer (or aids or another major killer if you like)? Thats the main question here. Now theres a debate…

      Another question – why is this disease only in USA? Has it not spread to other continents yet?

      Itsbeen reported on all continents save antarctica. My sites bene reviewed from 16 countries so far. As for this non-life threatening comment, do you know something I may have missed? who knows what the long term is with this. If I end up dying 5 10 15 years earlier than if I had not had this disorder, Ild still call that life threatening though not imminent. as far as not being able to live with this. Man let me tell ya it can only be described as A Nightmare, or Hell also comes to mind. its bad. Im lucky, as bad as it was for myself others have it much more severly. Others have lost their families, jobs, relationships!!! Everything important to any adult have been lost because of this illness. Try to imagine losing so much, and then have some arogent person/doctor tell you with a snicker and smug chuckle that it is all in your head!! Its maddening like you cant imagine. I have on an upnote seemed to have developed some type of tolerance or immunity over the last 3 years of having this. but who knows about contagion. see while Im presently mostly unaffected by this, the woman whom lives with me came down with the symptoms of it full blown, after living with me for well over a year without any signs of it. Anyway while immediatly terminal diseases are of course priority, this is something we know nothing about and its not even being publicly discussed

      the only thing I know about this and can guarantee you this as well. This is one bug you do NOT want to run into..

    • #30469
      Gaiapacha
      Participant

      The fiber disease constitutes an infection with a genetically modified
      quorum sensing stem cell related micro organism.

      Basically the organism represents a cyano bacterium that knows a stage as a giant cell and as a mold.

      Diversification resulting in morphologically different acting micro organisms takes place by shaft, giant cell but also by fission.

      Hence a coccidiod cyano bacterium like(single, diploid and chain forming)micro organism that lives on the skin and in wounds is the mayor responsible agent.

      No association is made by micro biologist or histopathologist in connection to this pathogen.

      Nota bene,

      Intermediate stages resemble a (quorum sensing) transparant gel
      that constitutes a protoplasm. This makes detection of the agent in biopsy impossible during standard clinical research.

      Single cell micro organisms function on a multi cellular level,
      communication between species of the same kind as well as different kind is possible.

      The micro organism has been fused with a mayor parasitic protozoa, a butterfly(lepidoptera) and a mammal specie.

      Multi lineage differentiation is fact.

      The fibers constitute protein.
      Specks are chitin like polymers.

      Fibers represent cell that are most connected to sensing parts like antennea, tongue, feet and wing.

      The colors of the fibers are connected to the colored wing pattern of lepidoptera. Actually they constitute variants with a semi parasitic nature.
      Keratin erosion is evident.

      The breeding ground for the organism in skin is almost exclusively the follicle(stem cell per definition)

      The phenomenon is directly linked to proteome and genome research and it concerns commensal bacteria without the status of known pathogen, but some members of the tree are known as nosocomial (like the pseudomona)

      Infection resembles most protothecosis.

      Amphoteracine B and amikacine will be the most logic choice for therapy but no protocol exist for this type condition.
      Sulfa Methoxazole/ Trimethoprim and Tetracycline and derivatives are suppressive but not curative.
      Also azoles like itraconazole, econazole, micanozole are effective.

      Infection may directly or indirectly relate to IBS, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, therapy resistant skin lesions, onycholisis, neurogenic bladder and chorioretinitis.

      Sincerely,

      Gaiapacha

    • #30499
      Chris4
      Participant

      “The micro organism has been fused with a mayor parasitic protozoa, a butterfly(lepidoptera) and a mammal specie.”

      A butterfly? How? Why? 😕

      No wonder this is hard to treat and understand if your talking about gentically modified organisms. 😯

    • #30737
      MrMistery
      Participant

      The best research labs in the world are sponsored by the governments of countries and keep their work a secret from the public. So i doubt you can find the source… Sorry man…

    • #30758
      pratistha
      Participant

      hi sabrina. I am intrigued by this disease.its sad that the disease is yet a mystery. i understand that this disease infects even the pets. do u have any pet? i hope aloe vera works on you and if going on a holiday helped you even a little,maybe u should try treating yourself away from home.unfortunately i cant help u medically but i hope the best for you.

    • #30829
      drjulianholmes
      Participant

      I have been asked to help a friend’s family in South Africa, whose diagnosis is Morgellons disease.

      I am a researcher in the use of plant extracts, and ozone. After discussing this disease with colleagues in Cuba, the UK and Italy, it seems that the common opinion is no harm will be done to start these people using our ozonated plant extracts.
      I am looking for other people who may be interested in using these products. They are natural products, non-toxic, and have over 40 years of research behind them.

      If you have Morgellons, and are interested in helping us find a possible treatment therapy, will you please contact me on [email protected]
      With regards, Professor Julian Holmes.

    • #30831
      forum
      Participant

      The butterfly has been used because its adaptive wing pattern represents key information that is used to steer manipulation.

      One property of the wing of lepidoptera is that it is a 2D representation of genetic steps that also happen 3D.

      A form of controll and matter to deduct from.

      But more insect technology is present in this fused organism.

      Its proteomics relate to cellulose and its cellulose like properties relate to chitin; a polymer like substance with important properties.

      (Brown specks is called “tanned chitin” like)

      This adaptation including inherent neuro toxic properties of cyano and variant glyco protein properties that stem from its mayor parasitic protozoa input, made it a perfect base for tissue adaptation;
      to know inherent suppression of the immune system by its neuro toxic properties and evasion of the immune system by variant glyco proteins.

      Hence, artificial tissue research is part of its initial design.

      (check chitin and derivatives by google and cellulose/ bio synthesis by cyanobacteria)

      Perfect but pathogenic adaptation to mammal tissue can also be found in other type quorum sensing (film forming) micro organisms that are known for its microbial resistance.

      The fibers represent (variant, quorum sensing micro organisms that unite and go into a dormant stage) a pseudo apoptotic stage!
      That fibers constitute protein tubes is thus evident.

      Cyanobacteria are an inbetween organism representing “a half plant, half animal like micro organism”

    • #30857
      canalon
      Participant

      One word about what forum and Gaia pacha said:

      Bullshit.

      It’s just a mix of scientific word put together, and without meaning. I do not know if this fiber disease is real or completly psychosomatic, but one thing is for sure, the complete nonsense that this 2 posters have put in this thread does nothing to add any credibility to this disease.

      Patrick

    • #30858
      drjulianholmes
      Participant

      Hi Patrick; I agree that the scientific community has a great deal to learn. One of the first things we are all taught at med school is to listen to our patients. I do not believe that these intellegent and articulate members of the public with this disease are deluded. They are suffering from a real problem.

      As a researcher, I have an opportunity to help, and to date the groups i work with have not found an organisms that has resistance to ozone. Hence my offer to start a trial at our expense.

      Some would argue that we need to understand more about the causative agent/organism/what ever in this disease process. But right now we have an oportunity to help, and if we get results, then at least we have a very positive message to send out that we have a possible cure for this disease.

      With respect, Julian Holmes.

    • #30889
      canalon
      Participant
      quote drjulianholmes:

      Hi Patrick; I agree that the scientific community has a great deal to learn. One of the first things we are all taught at med school is to listen to our patients. I do not believe that these intellegent and articulate members of the public with this disease are deluded. They are suffering from a real problem.

      I do not know about fiber diseases. What I have found is that if you go on the net you will find very contradictory reports. And The problem is none of the side seems to be very serious and/or very informed.
      But I can surely tell you that the posts from Gaiapacha and forum are just a crappy mix of techno babble that do not make any sense, and that do not elp the cause of the people which could be infected by the disease.

      quote drjulianholmes:

      As a researcher, I have an opportunity to help, and to date the groups i work with have not found an organisms that has resistance to ozone. Hence my offer to start a trial at our expense.

      Some would argue that we need to understand more about the causative agent/organism/what ever in this disease process. But right now we have an oportunity to help, and if we get results, then at least we have a very positive message to send out that we have a possible cure for this disease.

      As for this, I do agree that if you find something that can relieve those people I would just say go ahead. I wasn’t saying anything against your post, I was just complaining about 2 other posts. As a mod I felt tempted to remove them but even if they are nonsense I do not believe in censorship and they do not contravene to any posting rules. Yet I wanted to warn the readers about the dubious nature of their content.

      Patrick

    • #30895
      MrMistery
      Participant

      @Patrick
      Thank you for pointing that out about those 2 posts. I have the same opion, but there was a thought in my mind that there may be some logic to those posts which i am missing and that they actually make a point regarding the desease

    • #30926
      bugsonthewire
      Participant
      quote MrMistery:

      @Patrick
      Thank you for pointing that out about those 2 posts. I have the same opion, but there was a thought in my mind that there may be some logic to those posts which i am missing and that they actually make a point regarding the desease

      To the person who debunked the post could you elaborate as to why the post was unscientific etc. I would really appreciate it as I too am a desperate interloper in your forum. Doctors to a person, (I’ve seen 7 and a dermatologist) always suggest a stress reaction and dismiss or fail to recognise the physical signs of a medical anomaly. Because of this people like me and the other posters to this forum are expanding our circle; seeking answers, looking to generalists and non medical specialists for clues. And thats why im here. Below is my story, Ive tried to be objective and give what information I have which I hope, may maintain your collective biologistical interest. It’s long but i hope its of some value.

      The condition originally described by Sabrina at the start of the thread is the same one which I believe I have. For me, the primary symptoms are that my body is permanently covered by small threads and minute black specks and i feel as if im being bitten by something.

      To give you some idea of the size, the threads/fibers are virtually invisible to the naked eye but can be seen clearly through a 20x jewellers loop. Not knowing micro measurements id guess an average fiber is approx 1/25 of a cm long although they can get bigger, up to 2-3cm. The black specks would fit maybe two or three on the tip of a small needle. These specks also have a glittering property. they appear as specks of glitter on the skin.

      The fibers have reproduced in my car, home and work environment to the point where whenever i move anything in car or home there is a gentle cloud of minute fibres. The fibres seem to be associated with the hair. They wrap themselves around the hair shafts and i suspect get inside the hair shaft. I recently found an eyebrow hair that had a visible teardrop shaped bulge in it. It was not one of the many hair infections that are decribed on the internet.

      The condition primarily effects me as classic allergic skin reaction – possibly what a dotor may describe as an allergic hypersensitivity. My experience of skin lesions has been minimal although there is a degree of body acne. I have managed to propogate a couple of lesions, but I’m fairly certain in my case it was caused by manicly experimenting with these hard, itchy, pimples/acne. Although appearing to heal, these lesions have become re-infected a couple of times since. Maybe that in itself constitues a lesion, but to my mind weeping sores fit the description better and fortunately, those i have not experienced. My symptoms (biting, stinging, itching sensations) generally leave no mark although my abdomen and chest exhibit a very slight rash most of the time. The symptoms wax and wane but never completly disappear. I have considered many possibilities as to the cause of this but at best guess would say the variation in symptoms seems to be linked to humidity and perhaps barometric pressure.

      The degree of contagiousness (is that a word??!) of this pathogen seems directly related to the amount and level of contact one has with others. For example, casual contact such as sitting near others for a half hour or more will in most cases have them scratching, slapping, pinching and peering. Regular contact at this level seems to cause transfer of the pathogen to other susceptible people. People I come in to contact with less frequently still seem to pick it up, but it takes longer. Intimate contact with other people seems to result in immediate infection.

      There has been a study done by, I think, the Ohklahoma Dept of health and initiated at the request of the National (US) Pediculosis (head lice)Association following numerous reports to that organisation of the biting symptoms decribed. The study of 20 patients in the study found that 18 had collombola (springtails) appearing in skin samples taken.
      If anyone is interested you can read a complete background to the study at the NPAs site: http://www.headlice.org/news/2004/pr071204.htm
      and from there follow the link to the complete study. Many people with this condition dont believe they have collombola or have them as a co-infection with a mystery pathogen. I think I’m one of them.

      There is a US, New Mexico based doctor called Dr Scwartz who claims to have cultured an organism from the skin of one patient with these symptoms and found what he believes to be a genetically modified form of stenotrophomonas maltophilia – and if the spellings wrong, give me a break will ya! hence the theories about genetic engineering. Read his theory at http://www.healingresearch.org

      There is also the theory that these fibers are generated by the body as a defence mechanism against stealth viruses, Unfortunatly the developer of
      this theory has had some ethical issues to deal with which may impinge on his credability but the article is here: http://www.s3support.com/members/scient … lications/ Alternativecellularenergypigmentsmistakenforparasitic.pdf

      Thats about it. If you can suggest anything, or even just talk about the subject in your respective scientific communities, myself and many others would be very grateful.

    • #30927
      annedill
      Participant

      My family is 3 years into this disease – Our symptoms are very real- and yes,even life threatning. I dont know where you read you info but the majority of people who I have heard stories from have never mentioned anything alien except when talking about a physician. I am pretty sure that to get into med school now you must be hard of hearing..

      I am also sure that many other suffers are tired of telling their story and not getting any response at all- When these neuro problems set in it is exhausting to get to a doctor – yet have to be sent to numerous specialist who shrug their shoulders and say” I don’t know.”

      I have even gone the psych route only to have them tell me I am not crazy and keep up the fight. When doctors have reoprted to the health department there has been no response- or told they didn’t have the resources- After this a physician will pull back because it is just to much for them to handle in private practice.

      Anyhow, take alook at my photos for our fibers have grown and have a consistant shape to them- I welcome any response!!!

      http://www.annedill.funtigo.com
      http://groups.msn.com/Fromfiberstothis
      http://spaces.msn.com/members/giterdonealready/

    • #30929
      canalon
      Participant
      quote bugsonthewire:

      To the person who debunked the post could you elaborate as to why the post was unscientific etc. I would really appreciate it as I too am a desperate interloper in your forum.

      As I said I won’t elaborate on the disease itself, I am not a physician and you cannot elaborate on internet reports. As for the 2 posts I will try o give a few examples of why they are meaningless From gaia pacha post:

      “The fiber disease constitutes an infection with a genetically modified
      quorum sensing stem cell related micro organism”

      ❗ Stem cell implies differenciation hence multicelled organism, yet here (s)he is talking about single cell organism.

      “The micro organism has been fused with a mayor parasitic protozoa, a butterfly(lepidoptera) and a mammal specie”

      ❗ That’s a lot of fusions. Whatever these are supposed to be: chimera organism (beteween procaryote and eucaryote that would something new), gene transfer (but which genes?)

      “The fibers constitute protein.
      Specks are chitin like polymers.
      Fibers represent cell that are most connected to sensing parts like antennea, tongue, feet and wing”

      ❗ I like this one: so fibers are both cells and proteins…

      And this could go on for ever. Almost every paragraph is meaningless. as for forum, ic ould do the same I will just quote this one:
      “Cyanobacteria are an inbetween organism representing “a half plant, half animal like micro organism””

      And remind that Cyanobacteria are not halfway plat and animal but bacteria without nuclei or organelles, with some chlorophyll.

      You got the idea? Just pseudo scientific babble with lots of complicated word but a dubious (to be polite) reasonning behind the few sentences that I can make sense of.

      Patrick

    • #30941
      forum
      Participant

      Forum quotes:

      The fiber disease constitutes infection with a coccidiod cyanobacterial like quorum sensing stem cell related micro organism.

      Single cell micro organism will start to act as multi cellular organisms. Communication between species of the same kind as well as different kind is possible.

      Multi lineage differentiation is fact.
      Its preference for the skin follicle is fact.

      The fibers constitute dormant (pseudo apoptotic) quorum sensing micro organisms that gather in the form of a variant most resembling a sensing polymer.
      Actually they are cell that most relate to sensors
      (this fact does not relate to its quorum sensing)

      The colors relate to the wing(pattern) color of lepidoptera.

      Fibers consist out of protein tubes.
      Agea and quorum sensors like pseudomonas are found on infected persons.

      Algea(blue-green) thus cyanobacteria is its base.
      One of its mayor properties constitutes an intermediate stage (as contained lysis and sporulation kept together in an agar )
      This stage you also could regard as a protoplasm

      Its cellulose type character is about one step away from chitin.
      Specks are tanned chitin like.
      All elements differentiate, including its gel.

      Insect cell technology represents proteome and genome research.

      The responsible micro organisms are right in front of You but are not considered pathogenic (except that they may be regarded nosocomial)

      The fact that all this is the case is also the reason that the spread is beyond control.

      Its now an everybody disease with the character of protothecosis.

      Will disseminate (as an amyloid type disease thus constitute protein accumulation in tissue)

      You also could state that foreign protein will gradually replace healthy tissue.

      The extensor, wrist and scalp are most affected.

      Look up:
      protothecosis.
      cyano/cellulose/ chitin and biosynthesis

      Lesions will finaly heal but will stay active foci that periodically will relapse.

      Its a systemic disease caused by (opportunistic) acting quorum sensing micro organisms.

    • #30942
      forum
      Participant

      Algae

    • #30943
      bugsonthewire
      Participant
      quote forum:

      Algae

      Ok, People, thanks for the responses. a few supplementary questions please.

      1. to Gaiapacha: where did you get the info? what is your scientific discipline and can you translate your viewpoint into lay persons terms? (with verbs nouns etc)

      2. to the biologists on this forum: would you please comment on the scientific accuracy of the following statement by the Morgellons Research Foundation in early September.

      ” Two primary types of bacteria have been cultured from skin samples of multiple Morgellons patients. The bacteria are of two types; a chain or 2-4 rod-shaped bacilli and tiny, spherical, cocci/diplococci. On solid media the cocci make a hard membrane-like coating over the colony. The liquid culture of bacilli usually contains a very stringy material after a few days of culturing. Some macroscopic fibers have appeared in these cultures, but it is unclear where they are coming from. We are trying to determine whether they are environmental contaminants or a product of the bacteria. It is also possible that the long fibers are nothing more than DNA from the dead bacteria. We are currently performing PCR (to amplify
      the microbial DNA) and DNA sequence analysis of both of these isolated bacteria. ”

      thanks.

    • #30972
      annedill
      Participant

      I apoligize for the garble of words I posted and I realize I am not that scientific- but I have documented all the stages and symptoms my poor family has encountered the past 3 years as they are watching their father die and I feel I am somewhere behind him. Both my parents have gone this route too and I have yet to find a physician who is willing to try and connect the dots. I know one fact that the medical system is not able to handle anything like this. Thank you so much for your reply for the only other effort that i have encountered out there is the Morgellons research foundation- For to simply say there is no such thing is lazy.
      Anne

    • #30994
      southcity
      Participant

      Its cellulose type character is about one step away from chitin.
      Specks are tanned chitin like.
      All elements differentiate, including its gel.

      Insect cell technology represents proteome and genome research.

      The responsible micro organisms are right in front of You but are not considered pathogenic (except that they may be regarded nosocomial)

      The fact that all this is the case is also the reason that the spread is beyond control.

      Its now an everybody disease with the character of protothecosis.

      Will disseminate (as an amyloid type disease thus constitute protein accumulation in tissue)

      You also could state that foreign protein will gradually replace healthy tissue.

      8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

      What he is saying, from What I can gather is this is a prion like illness, alzeimers, and the like. Possibly similiar to VCJD. This is madness. I have several reasons for believing this post. first of all I have many pictures of the Tanned chitin like flakes or “specks” this discription is only one that fits what I have seen. Second the brain fog associated with this illness is explained with the amyloidosis explanation. third would be the RAF test my doctor wants done next week. Next I have recieved emails now from several people claiming to be physicians and researchers in the last week asking questions but offering no new information. All I can say people is it looks like the fix is in as to the next large “culling of the population”. It also explains why so many world class bio researchers have been murdered or at best died under mysterious conditions in the past few years.. All I can say to any group responsible is that what time I have left I will spend it finding out who let this out of the lab, and make damn sure that if I have to go, then so do those responsible. I repeat what have you people done!!?

    • #31074
      forum
      Participant

      Involvement of the CNS is not only related to the secretome of this modified cyano.

      It is also related to its mayor parasitic protozoa input that made this organism cyclical

      (earlier mentioned variant glyco protein like properties)

      Rational spin off would be artificial tissue (research)

      Its about evasion of the immune system and bio compatability.
      check:

      BMAA/ cyanobacter
      Micro cystis/ blooming algae
      Cellulose/ cyanobacterium/ texas scientists (BBC)

      Yes, cocci RESEMBLING micro organism.
      Known properties: will chain into diploid, triploid forms etc

      For the PCR: try to get hold on the algea and its kissing vibrio(…)

      Fibers are variant and in a way unite plant systematic with insect cell technology.

      Its nerve cell, insect/ plant like behavior has a relation with keratine an
      extension of the follicle(stem cell) e.g in the form of a shaft!

      Keratine erosion can be observed.
      Preference for the follicle can be observed.
      An opportunistic character can be observed
      (areas of repair thus; stem cell related)
      The nail plate and its cutticle… that is stem cell related.
      And a circle on top of Your head… that is stem cell related.

      All is about invasion of in particular folding matter.

      How political simple things can be!

    • #31082
      Greema
      Participant

      Hello to all. This is my first post here.
      I have had fiber disease for 8 years now. Over time I have taken some photos of the exudate from my lesions.
      http://photos.yahoo.com/pookalala
      I do not claim to be a scientist but I have tried to make sense of this disease and have been in touch with several clinicians who have tried to work on this disease and assisted in some research.
      I have been looking at the oomycetes family of water molds.
      They are cellulose based with aseptate conoctic hyphae.
      Slides of my tissue were identified at the University of Pittsburg
      as hollow cellulose fibers with a slight protien residue inside. My tissue samples were also looked at by W. John Martin MD PHD and he identified the characteristics of stealth virus but was unsure of the other element of the “vitria”. http://www.ccid.org/articles/viteria.htm
      As I took these photos I tried to take groupings of various kinds of exudate that I found consistently and group them together. The first slides in the first album are of a fiberball from this disease. Although I had found these structures with flared septums in the past, this was the first time I ever found one still containing the swollen tips. The structure and composition show some similar features of the oomycetes saprolegnia, achlya or dictyuchus.
      The last album “Roots” was a recent discovery from a 4 year old lesion that never healed. The fiber had become so large and unusual it was easily visible with the naked eye. Perhaps this mature strand can offer some new clues.
      I am happy to know of this site and the possibility of some knowledgable professional people who might identify something new from the photos .
      Many thanks for looking.

      Love,
      Greema

    • #31090
      annedill
      Participant

      My husband did test positive for a high toxocara antibody but the ID doc felt it was not toxocara- and then gave up because she was a private practice physician with a large practice and didnt have the time. She then advised MAYO where we encountered another physician who said there was no such thing that would cause neuro problems and I should face reality.

      When you describe the Stem cell areas you hit it right on the nose when I describe the places we have the most of this material coming from our bodies. Espically the top of our heads- I have been laughed at many times over this one.

      How can something so life altering be so political? It is nothing but a sin for all the crap of the medical system to get in the way of science- and better health.

      Your input has reafirmed my faith in man.

    • #31106
      canalon
      Participant

      @ forum:

      Could you please make english sentences (you know with subject, verb and a little number of predicates…
      And you could try to detail a little more your logical jumps when making demonstartions to such slow and siple mind as mine.

      Thanks

      Patrick

    • #31110
      annedill
      Participant

      O.K. I guess that was my hint to opt out as I am in way over my head. I have two brothers with very high IQ and I also have trouble conversing with them. I guess that is when the emotional side of me kicks in and I ramble. Again, sorry and I won’t waste your time any more. Thanks for the info-
      Anne

    • #31111
      canalon
      Participant
      quote annedill:

      O.K. I guess that was my hint to opt out as I am in way over my head. I have two brothers with very high IQ and I also have trouble conversing with them. I guess that is when the emotional side of me kicks in and I ramble. Again, sorry and I won’t waste your time any more. Thanks for the info-
      Anne

      No Anne, I was not talking to you, but to the poster called forum! His long posts are pure gibberish, and I wish he/she could try to explain him/herself a little better.
      I have no problems with your posts, nor do I assume that your IQ is too low or anything, I just whish that those long meaningless posts would be clearer, at least for me.

      Patrick

    • #31191
      cd36
      Participant

      Ok i’m new but i’m very curious about this disease that is why i registered. I know i may be on the wrong track here (i’m a mechanical engineer tech. couldn’t get much further from the medical field lol). I realized there seems to be quite the connection between this and hair…….one guy said it seems to be growing around his hair or in his hair, people say its worse on the top of their heads (naturally where more hair is), and people report massive hair loss. Maybe its connected with your hair…….if this is completely stupid just let me know but i just wanted to throw this out there…….in an area thats affected and seems to be causing problems with hair is there any way you can remove the hair that wouldnt be to painfull to the affected area? I doubt it would make a difference but its just an idea i had.

    • #31198
      curiousmorgs
      Participant

      I, too, suffer from this fiber disease. It does cause problems with hair, but it’s not just a problem, it’s a CHANGE in the hair, the properties of the hair. I just noticed ‘onset’ of this 3 months ago

      In my personal experience with this, each follicle appears at times to have additional growth up the shaft. Some of the fibers are clearly not anything you would recognize as hair. Sometimes where one hair should be coming up there are 3 and the total texture is different, again, if it is indeed hair.

      I have begun to believe that one aspect of this is indeed algae-like, fungus type, with more going on than meets the eye. When I look at my boyfriends lower back (straight up the middle of it) there are many additional hairs that were never there before. They are very soft with 3 or so ‘hairs’ coming out with a white sheath surrounding where the hairs actual come out of the skin. Like a bloom. I have noticed this also on my own lower legs. Sometimes I skip the shaving regimen to see if it’s still happening, and it is. It may be on a cycle.

      There are instances of people shaving their heads to alleviate they symptoms, but it appears they are doing so for comfort, and it’s easier to treat the scalp/cysts/lesions without hair in the way.

      On my forearms I have seen bruise type discolorations that never quite surface to the skin (with no injury causing it). This has a burning feeling, and naturally you rub the hurting area. subsequently, dark fibers work their way up through the skin are about 1/8 cm in length, looks like a splinter. i don’t have a microscope but have sent samples to a pathologist for review (waiting).

      I, too, have symmetrical cysts/lesions on my body, most especially on the back of my head just inside the hairline – and as of Monday long straight ‘scratches’ beneath the skin surface on my abdomen. They aren’t identical, but they’re very close. The arm splinter/bruises occur simultaneously on both arms at same time, with same pain. Involuntary muscle twitching/jumping occurs in same muscle on both sides of body at same time.

      This is far, far more than an irritating hair problem.

      I have severe left eye pain, stomach pain, kidney pain, burning/hurting in limbs, and my tongue has been completely white at times. Granules that appear on skin, like sand, tobacco like specs, and fibrous cocoons/masses that sting and appear on the skins surface. For all practical purposes, it feels like I am dying. I have lost 15 lbs within 2 months, and I was normal weight/health. The symptoms go on and on from there. This thing is in my blood.

      My mother, boyfriend, and small son are ALL dealing with this. 3 separate households, now. Just learned within the last 2 days of another person just within my circle of friends that has this, too, so that makes 4 households.

      The comment here about ‘stem cell’ has my undivided attention, as does the relationship with algae. The tiny dark fibers that emerge from my arms have appeared to look like they had a tiny ‘wing’ or transparent matter extruding from it at an angle that an insect wing would (which would fit the description of a bioengineered merge with insect).

      What is going on here?

    • #31208
      forum
      Participant

      The human hair follicle is used as a stem cell by scientists as alternative for embryo.

      Stem cell rellated is this micro organism because it shows this type affinity and because its artificial quorum sensing is a way to make its single cell nature function like a multi cellular one.

      We are multi cellular organisms.

      This quorum sensing property will happen between species of the same kind as well as species of another kind.

      Quorum sensing represents communication based on chemical signals, like between butterfly and plant.

      This property has been put in commensal resembling micro organisms.

      The cyano bacterium is the tree where diversification takes place.

      The organism is like MRSA sensible for essential oil;
      In fact rubbing this type medium in Your fresh washed hands is a house hold test to check if You are positive.

      However,

      My study is not based on polymer sensing type fibers, but on micro organisms that are responsible for this disease

    • #31269
      southcity
      Participant

      right click on link and choose “save as” . Note towards the end how these fibers actually grow THRU the hair follicle. On time lapse clips you will see these fibers move, quite dramatically somtimes, but never very fast.

      By the way: Forum.. Which essential oil specifically are you talking about? And what will be the result on an infection with this? Will it resolve on its own? does it revert to a dormant stage? Could you tell us a bit more about what it does to the body as opposed to what the pathogen is? Thanks

      southcity

    • #31270
      southcity
      Participant

      sorry here’s the link.

      http://www.nondelusional.com/video%20cl … 20hair.wmv

    • #31271
      southcity
      Participant

      my bad. previous link is no good not sure how to make link work from this site so go to http://www.nondelusional.com/video%20clips.htm then right click on the fibers in hair link and choose “save as”. that will work for sure.

      southcity

    • #31337
      CliffMickelson
      Participant

      Greetings:

      I read with a great deal of interest the exchange that occurred here on the board concerning what is known and what is not known about Morgellons, aka the Skin Fiber Disease.

      There is a great deal of confusion surrounding this emergent plague.

      This is quite understandable.

      The affliction exhibits proclivities and charactoristics unlike any known prior to this time.

      It is highly resistant to most forms of accepted treatment.

      It can collectively survive extended applications of all petrol based products, including such poisons as MEK and acetone.

      Sulpher has some effect but is not definitive.

      Placed in 71% alchohol does not kill it, however, 90% solution vexes it to no end.

      It may be coded to “learn” from chemical attacks and to adapt.

      It is for this reason that I have described it in past articles as being
      “Borg-like.”

      The parasite does not so much “consume” its host as it “replaces” its host.

      It “layers” itself into the victim and though easily located in higher concentrations, it is found throughout the entire skin surface.

      Vaseline or Vicks Vapo Rub can cause it to briefly partially emerge from pores and folicles.

      Initially, (as well as all through its tenure) It locates itself first and formost in the hair follicles of its victims. It can often be seen at first, growing side by side with the original occupant of the location. However, it soon kills its partner and then takes its place as sole occupant.

      The creature is a master of disguise. It takes a practiced eye to detect it in this stage.

      I have documented 5 stages or metamorphic levels of the organisim.

      It is possible that there exists at least two other primary stages.

      As it gains an established foothold it begins to multiply profusely.

      Higher concentrations of the creature in its nematomorphic “worm-like” stage produce skin lesions and a hard “callus-like” protective shield that many victims as well as researchers believe is skin. This is partially wrong and partially correct. It is not “callus” in the classic sense, but is a highly entwined form of the stage 4 creature itself mixed with a secretion of amazing tenacity, durability, and flexibility. It is anchored into the skin of the host with a series of hooklike appendages that extend downward from the underside of the “callus” at a slightly curved angle.

      It can be removed, but only with the greatest pertenacity and a very liberal dosing of 90% rubbing alcohol. The entire callus is rarely if ever successfully removed, but what is removed is portions of it that usually contain a nematomorph embedded in secretion. Since the callus consists of hundreds, (if not thousands) of such organisims, the best one may hope for is a rear guard defensive effect.

      The source of the creature is a mystery, however it is known to be vectored in at least a half a dozen ways. One of the most controversial yet easily provable methods being used to vector this plague is cotton.

      The nematomorph closely resembles a single strand of cotton thread.

      The naked eye cannot tell the difference. However a practiced eye can detect the presence of the parasite in the cotton matrix.

      The most common location I have documented as a vector for the parasite is the everyday cotton swab. It is ubiquitous in this environment. It is also found in other cotton products as well and it is quite likely that cotton has been serving as the main source of infection in recent years.

      I have written a great deal on this connection and will not go into it at this point due to time limitations. For those who find such Orwellian nightmares to be difficult, I must say that intially, I too was equally as pole-axed.

      I urge you to investigate my statements for yourself. Draw your own conclusions based on your own observations. Don’t rely on me or anyone else to create your reality on this point. I am confident that the facts will speak for themselves.

      There is much more I should like to describe concerning this unnatural creature but I have other obligations presently. I hope to be able to return shortly and further describe the rather unnerving discoveries that I have made in the last two years concerning this unique monster.

      Regards:

      -CliffMickelson

    • #31338
      Michelle
      Participant
      quote Canalon:

      One word about what forum and Gaia pacha said:

      Bullshit.

      It’s just a mix of scientific word put together, and without meaning. I do not know if this fiber disease is real or completly psychosomatic, but one thing is for sure, the complete nonsense that this 2 posters have put in this thread does nothing to add any credibility to this disease.

      Patrick

      http://www.headlice.org/news/2005/augus … _havoc.htm

      This is what is actually happening to people suffering from the so-called morgellons/ fiber disease.

    • #31344
      Notnutz
      Participant

      http://www.headlice.org/news/2004/pr071204.htm

      http://www.headlice.org/news/2004/delusory.htm

      Abstract – Twenty individuals diagnosed with delusory parasitosis participated in a single site clinical study under the auspices of the National Pediculosis Association (NPA) and the Oklahoma State Department of Health. The objective of this study was to determine if there were any common factors in skin scrapings collected from this population. These individuals, whose symptoms were originally attributed to lice or scabies, were part of a larger group reporting symptoms of stinging/biting and/or crawling to the NPA. Multiple skin scrapings from each person were microscopically examined. Any and all fields of view that appeared incongruous to normal human skin were digitally photographed. When the photographic images were initially evaluated, no common factor was identified. However, more extensive scrutiny using imaging software revealed evidence of Collembola in 18 of the 20 participants.

    • #31363
      southcity
      Participant

      take a look at this clip go to http://www.nondelusional.com/video%20clips.htm then right click on “it doesnt like water” and choose “save as”.

      Anyone here ever see and can identify this thing(fuzzball). doesnt match up with the collembolla idea. this was shot at 10x mag real time.

    • #31393
      Michelle
      Participant
      quote southcity:

      take a look at this clip go to http://www.nondelusional.com/video%20clips.htm then right click on “it doesnt like water” and choose “save as”.

      Anyone here ever see and can identify this thing(fuzzball). doesnt match up with the collembolla idea. this was shot at 10x mag real time.

      The problem here is too many people have had way too much time to sit around and over-think this condition.—not their fault—the medical and scientific communities are to blame.
      Sufferers have had to try to sort this thing out for themselves, and as a result this skin condition has been attributed to almost everything from “chemtrails” to bio-warfare to “alien origins”.
      What people need to do is go back to the beginning: What were you first diagnosed with? majority of people were diagnosed at first with scabies or lice—-then what happened when those treatments failed?—delusional parasitosis–psycho-neuro excoriations–stress–etc.
      Look at the symptoms of DOP, then look at the physical symptoms listed on the morgellons site. Then go to the NPA study–(a published, scientific study, btw) and look at the symptoms described by the patients in the study: Biting/stinging, crawling, non-healing lesions etc. They all match.
      I think that almost everyone initially attributed their symptoms to some sort of parasitosis—their first instinct was that they were infested with bugs. The first instinct is usually right, and the NPA has proved that.

    • #31401
      GregV
      Participant

      Hi Sabrina and all,
      I just stumbled upon this Websight awhile ago. I have this Disease, and have also many photo images, which to the best of my knowledge all of the images came from my skin problems, either in the bath, sink, etc. from shaving, bathing, etc. with a screen in the drains. A few were from a daughter and a son, but they don’t seem to be infected like I was. As I get better they have had no problems.
      A few of the photos were found on the bathroom floor, after sweeping it as I entered, also some from the bedsheets, upon awaking.
      I have tried NOT to post images of things which are not from this Disease, however if there is one or two items which are not from an organism, then I do beg your pardon.
      I am not a biologist, nor a medical researcher, but a Motorcycle Technician.
      Here is my WebLink, I named MorgellonsUSA because I wanted others to not be ashamed of their problem,

      http://www.morgellonsusa.com

      that at least in this country, after being pushed aside, and down in the gutter to fend for ourselves away from the Medical Community, that there are others like you out there who have dealt with many of the same things.
      Tired of not being believed, I had to find proof instead of stories.
      Perhaps some of us have had hallucinations, from brain infection, I don’t know? But this bears out the fact that this is a real problem.
      I am going back to UCSD Medical Center today to see the Infectous Disease Specialist in San Diege, so I have to go now.
      I am very glad to find this Group, of people who actually are trained in the field that you are, who can approach this logically and not emotionally.

      GregV

    • #31405
      southcity
      Participant

      soory to say That this may still not be the case see this link. http://www.collembola.org/publicat/sidney.htm checklist of collembolla. I wrote to the authors of this study and here’s his reply.

      *************************************************************
      For general and objective background info, feel free to visit our
      webpage on the subject
      http:///www.collembola.org/publicat/sidney.htm

      Note that the Collembola specimen (1 specimen!) reported in
      http://www.cdfound.to.it/HTML/ecto_col.htm
      is a case of sample contamination (see for discussion in webpage above).

      There is no positive proof of Collembola infesting people.
      Advice: synchronise with your physician to do a test for Lyme disease.
      It has been shown that many people suffering from badly curing skin
      lesions are infected by Lyme bacteria. This has to be ruled out first.

      Kind regards,

      Frans

    • #31408
      southcity
      Participant

      quote from above link.

      Altschuler, D.Z. et al. (2004:87-95) U.S.A.:
      “Twenty individuals diagnosed with delusory parasitosis participated in a single site clinical study under the auspices of the National Pediculosis Association (NPA) and the Oklahoma State Department of Health. The objective of this study was to determine if there were any common factors in skin scrapings collected from this population. These individuals, whose symptoms were originally attributed to lice or scabies, were part of a larger group reporting symptoms of stinging/biting and/or crawling to the NPA. Multiple skin scrapings from each person were microscopically examined. Any and all fields of view that appeared incongruous to normal human skin were digitally photographed. When the photographic images were initially evaluated, no common factor was identified. However, more extensive scrutiny using imaging software revealed evidence of Collembola in 18 of the 20 participants.”
      “The images were reviewed by entomologists and the presence of Collembola verified and identified as representative of the families Isotomidae and Entomobryidae.”
      “It is possible Collembola found in lesions are opportunistic and that fungal infections or allergic reactions to pollen, fungi, spores or other organisms may contribute to or be responsible for the symptoms these individuals experience.” “Collembola do not need to be human parasites in order to be present in the skin scrapings.”
      Note: The in the study participating entomologists have identified the Collembola based only on the digitally enhanced images of the skin scrapings; no specimens have been deposited in collection for further reference.
      All the images presented in the paper, except the enhanced version of figure 2, do not appear to be from living or recently dead specimens or body parts broken off such but specimens in advanced states of decay. Comparing the images with Collembola from Canadian and Burmese Cretaceous amber where much decay had occurred in many specimens, as well as with thousands of pitfall trap specimens in various states of decay, it is obvious with some security that the specimens shown in the photographs, if they are Collembola, are badly decayed. Therefore, since the specimens were freshly taken from new scrapings, “The finding of images from 18 of the 20 symptomatic study participants supports their contention that they have something crawling on or under their skin.” is not supported, unless the other pictures are far better. Under the assumption that the best pictures were chosen for the article, this seems highly unlikely. If Collembola were crawling then the specimens should be part of living specimens.
      It may well be evidence that at past times Collembola were involved in a crawling sensation, such as caused by allergic reactions as described by Pescott (1942:68-69).
      The authors should provide a skin sample including a collembolan specimen to prove their point. The case is considered unproven unless an animal is provided.

    • #31410
      Notnutz
      Participant

      “Note that the Collembola specimen (1 specimen!) reported in
      http://www.cdfound.to.it/HTML/ecto_col.htm
      is a case of sample contamination (see for discussion in webpage above).”

      Interesting observation by Mr. Janssens. Was he present during the biopsy taken from the Romanian woman’s skin? There’s no indication he was there. However, the sample was taken by a surgeon, witnessed by others in attendance during the surgical procedure, and was identified down to species by Mr. Janssens himself according to his website.

      Southcity it’s interesting that you’re so certain Collembola aren’t a part of this parasitic skin disease when you’ve obviously read all the reports at Mr. Janssens website.

      I’ll remind you too that the NPA paper plainly states Collembola don’t have to be “parasites” to have been found in the skin of the study participants.

      Many of the people with this disease have reported various “bugs” in their skin, and they were often identified by people qualified to make that determination.

      I think you’re just full of yourself and your mind isn’t open to possibilities outside your own field of visiion.

    • #31411
      Notnutz
      Participant

      Look at the dates and times of the posts.

      Why aren’t they in strict order date and time wise? Somebody scrambling them?

      It’s really difficult to follow the discussion when they’re so out of order.

    • #31414
      southcity
      Participant

      I am certain of nothing concerning this illness, the collembolla theory simply does not explain all the symptoms related to it. By the way if the collembola study is correct, it should be pointed out that there still is NO current treatment options available.

      As far as me being full of myself, jeez I cant even tell you how much I would rather never having had to think about any of this. So please continue adding to this thread with the thought provoking arguements and kindly do not attack those who may refute or debunk them. My only agenda is to figure out how to rid myself of this scourge. If the npa study has led you understand how to get rid of this problem, then please share your info.

    • #31423
      Skytroll
      Participant

      😛
      🙄
      🙁

    • #31516
      Notnutz
      Participant

      A little more information concerning Dr. Dulceanu’s credentials.

      Dr. Dulceanu authored many books on Parasitology. One of his books was re-published in 2004, and another was more recently re-published.

      Dr. Dulceanu was given the highest honor awarded The Romanian Academy Award, a once-in-a-lifetime award for a special achievement in science for his book titled Encyclopedic Dictionary of Parasitology.

      Dr. Dulceanu’s work, and in fact his life, speak to his devotion and dedication to the field of science, his honesty and personal integrity.

      Shame on Mr. Janssens. Maybe it’s all about Sour Grapes. Shoulda listened, shoulda looked, shoulda been willing to learn, shoulda buried my ego.

      Sad thing is he’s not alone as evidenced by the difficulty in getting the truth that Collembola and possibly other decomposers are involved in the Fiber Disease.

    • #31527
      CliffMickelson
      Participant
      quote southcity:

      I am certain of nothing concerning this illness, the collembolla theory simply does not explain all the symptoms related to it. By the way if the collembola study is correct, it should be pointed out that there still is NO current treatment options available.

      ***

      Greetings, Southcity:

      You are correct. The collembolla theory does NOT explain this disease.

      In fact, it does not even come close. IMO We are dealing with a unique and highly engineered creation. It is the work of genius, albeit dark or, (at best) “hijacked” genius.

      I personally feel that there are less than half a dozen laboratories on the entire planet, and even fewer microbiologists and genetic engineers with the skill to even begin to assemble this “thing”

      It is highly contagious and vectors itself in a variety of ingenious ways, including hitchhiking a ride on cotton products.

      This thing is so bizarre that it defies description much less categorization.

      However, It seems perfectly matched to the human animal. It is a designer parasite with a wide utilitarian scope. I have hundreds of files from victims on every continent on earth except Antarctic. I also have a disturbing number of files concerning infected animals.

      Dogs, Horses, Pigs, and humans seem to be the primary mammalian victims. It is documented that Lizards, and Frogs are severely affected by this organism and usually die from it. I have one report of an alligator with this disease.

      Some species of domestic birds also have been reported to me as infected. Chickens with this infection are reported to lose their feathers and not be able to replace them.

      I have personally observed infected house flies that have been totally consumed by the creature leaving nothing but the exoskeleton and a Frankenstien-like collection of Macro-fibers extruding from them in every direction. (The macro-fibers incorporate predictable parameters of shape and form and are one of the primary stages of the organism. They should not to be confused with the white or clear colored nematomorph, [another primary form] or the inert red, blue, black, etc, colored micro-fibers that are produced in such profusion)

      -CliffMickelson

    • #31541
      bugsonthewire
      Participant

      can anyone tell me if i were to collect fibres and take them to a dna lab could they not only isolate the DNA but identify it? also what would be the cost? And, if the same fibres were taken to a materials analyst, if it was determined they were organic, would they provide a more specific analysis? such as protein tubes, cellulose, molecular makeup etc. Does anyone have an idea of the likely cost of such a service?
      thanks

    • #31575
      tamtam
      Participant

      Fibers are stray target of experimental biology.
      In particular experimental micro biology class 3 (C3)

      That cellulose type fibers move on its own is because it are micro organisms that go dormant (pseudo apoptotic) In particular micro organisms that breath and become static because of low metabolism.
      During formation they show nerve cell type behavior.

      Nerve cell type behavior they will show in particular when they unite as a fiber most resembling a shaft that is related to the mold of the cyanobacterium.

      This dominant type gene expression in the form of a semi autonomous and sensing fiber is in fact a break away group cell.
      A variant form.

      Its character is inbetween plant(cellulose) and insect (chitin)cell.

      Single cell micro organisms with an aquired property called quorum sensing will make the organisms act multi cellular.

      Quorum sensing is a stem cell like property.
      Quorum sensing micro organisms unite hence differentiate during formation of a multi cellular organism.

      Hence multi lineage differentiation synonymous with stem cell.
      ————————————————————————————–
      Fast dividing tissue forms a base(culture medium) for this organism.
      This type target can only be kept alive and cultered in test animal.
      ————————————————————————————–

      Fibers show inbetween behavior like “plant cell that think they are insect cell”

      The agent its intermediate stage resembles a protoplasm.
      A transparent cloud with basic properties preserved.

      All elements are quorum sensing
      All elements differentiate

      check: chitin / cellulose wound dressing

    • #31594
      Notnutz
      Participant

      You could take the fibers you mention to your local health department, the Department of Biology at a nearby university or college, or you could send them somewhere for analysis.

      If you go through the health department or a university or college you shouldn’t be charged anything because you’re simply asking them to identify the fibers. What are these? What is their composition? Are they wool, cotton, lycra, polyester, flax, etc.

      If you go to the next level using a lab found on the web, perhaps even a lab that does forensics, you might have to pay.

      I suppose it might be a good idea to ask how you want the fibers presented. Would they want them on a slide with a cover-slip, on a 3 x 5 index card with clear tape, or whatever.

      Please let us know what you decide and good luck to you.

    • #31595
      Jade
      Participant

      To Sabrina and others
      I may also have this disease and know how painful and difficult this is. The last 5 weeks I have been following the advice of Dr. Schwartz in New Mexico (re Popular Mechanics article). He recommends taking Avelox and Bactrim and Biltricide. My skin is clearing up. The sensations are getting fewer. For the first time I have hope. I have tried many natural remedies copper, silver, garlic Pomegranate … they slow things down just a bit.
      A cosmetic cream for night-time wrinkles containing copper by Neutrogena helps dry the skin a bit. Alsos raw garlic and sulfur cream are good.
      My GP will no longer extend my prescription so I have a problem…. If you want more details reply here. We need to keep hope alive.

    • #31652
      Skytroll
      Participant

      😯
      😕
      8)

    • #31675
      Michelle
      Participant

      <<From: southcity
      To: Michelle
      Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 1:09 am
      Subject: Who are are you, really
      you obviously do not have this illness so what’s youre true agenda here? >>

      Michelle is who I really am.
      My father has this disease, I have seen the collembola in his skin scrapings. I have read enough about collembola to know that they are capable of producing many of the phenomena that some ascribe to the supernatural, or aliens, etc.
      It’s the people who denounce the NPA findings who have a hidden agenda. They want to lead people away from the collembola diagnosis in order to protect the scientific community who have been tweaking collembola since at least the 1940’s.
      A question you could be asking is why, of all the naysaying entomologists in the world, not one of them has taken up the offer of being present at a skin scraping to observe the technique and to observe the findings first hand, yet they believe the disinformation campaign that was launched against the NPA before they even had a chance to publish. That is not a very scientific method of peer review if you ask me.
      Franz Jaansen wants an animal produced? Tell him to come up with the a prion that causes BSE(mad cow disease), yet nobody doubts they exist.
      Tell him to find the head of the tick that causes lyme, because lyme is diagnosed without ever producing said head.
      By his reasoning BSE and Lyme disease do not exist.
      The images shown by the NPA were identified as arthropod by the entomologist involved and they’re size and configuration matches up only with collembola.
      The doubt that is being planted in the minds of sufferers only causes them more grief and false hope that’ll they be diagnosed with some bizarre or alien disease that’ll get them on the front page of the National Enquirer, I guess because that’s the reading level that they’re working at.
      I have no connection to the NPA other than the diagnosis that my father got from his doctor using the NPA methods, which has made it possible for him to go from a body covered in lesions from neck to foot, down to a very small number of lesions remaining on one leg.
      Others who prefer to sit and wait for some answer derived from a Star Trek episode are only wasting their valuable time in fighting against this known parasite. Ultimately this wasted time jeopardizes their chances of recovery.
      Don’t look for a hidden agenda, my agenda is not hidden. I’m here to make sure that unsubstantiated statements about the NPA and about collembola are refuted and I don’t have to be diplomatic in my responses because I’m doing this totally independently without direction nor remuneration from anyone. By the way, who do you take your instructions from?

    • #31685
      curiousmorgs
      Participant

      Michelle: First let me say that I am glad that your father found relief, and hopefully he is on the road to recovery.

      Next, as a sufferer myself, who is not taking instructions from anyone, I question ‘your’ motive here as well. Are you trying to impede progress for those of us who ACTUALLY have all of the other symptoms?

      This is not Star Trek, just simple facts and reports of my own findings. If it seems a little far-fetched, then I need to ask you to look back at the perceptions of others when you and your father first approached the medical profession for help. If nothing else, the work of the NPA and your father have furthered this cause along – then at least we are starting from the grounds of ‘collembola infestation possible’ instead of ‘not possible’.

      What I would like to know is what happens when your father goes off of his medications. Do his symptoms return? Does he have any of the other symptoms? I have been looking (as I have been for months) and I don’t see a treatment protocol from the NPA, or from Morgellon’s, but I do indeed see the skin study. Is there information that is not being shared with us…..What is your father taking? I personally have been inundated by people with a ‘cure’ that a)doesn’t work b)doesn’t work c)doesn’t work, and by dr’s who profess that collembola is it, then that it’s an amoeba found in french spring water, and it keeps changing to the vector du jour.

      If the NPA has completely and conclusively found a treatment, then they would be reciprocal with the research foundation and provide that information to them. I have looked at every known parasitic infestation, and I don’t see anything that sums up the entirety of this disease.

      If there is documentation that proves that collembola infestation is responsible for the many medical manifestations that I personally have seen over a 3 month period, or that explains MORGELLONS, then please share that information with us. That information has not been provided to those of us who ARE INDEED registered with Morgellon’s Research Foundation.

      Please share your extensive knowledge about these aspects of Morgellon’s/Fiber Disease with those who haven’t gotten that conclusive information. I would dearly love to treat my 5 year old son, and myself, and my close circle of friends that have this nightmare…

      Sincerely,
      Chris – aka Southern Drawl

    • #31689
      Notnutz
      Participant

      Lots of good information contained in these posts, good questions raised too.

      To Southern Drawl, Michelle isn’t trying to impede progress at all. She’s stating what she knows and her dad’s a lucky man to have such a devoted daughter. Great to hear he is so improved.

      I have no idea what medications or “home cures” he’s tried, but if he’s like most of us he’s tried most everything he could get his hands on.

      Why do so many improve on various antibiotics then relapse when they stop taking them? If people have Collembola in their skin and given the Collembola molt about every four days emptying the contents of their gut including poop into their skin, is it just a vicious cycle that will continue endlessly? If there’s fungus present, and we know the Collembola also carry various species of fungus then wouldn’t the antibiotics be counterproductive? I don’t know the answers, I’m just asking the questions and yes, I improved greatly thanks to various abx, but don’t want to take them for the rest of my life.

      What’s it going to take to kill the Collembola? Many folks have taken Ivermectin and found it helpful, and some have taken Ivermectin along with abx and possibly antifungals as well.

      No, you don’t see a treatment protocol by the NPA or Morgellons. They’re not physicians and can’t prescribe.

      Had to laugh at your “inundated by people with a ‘cure’ that doesn’t work”….hello! Welcome to the club, yet I am sure some of those people mean well and are merely trying to be helpful. Notice I said some of those people. Websites are springing up at a truly alarming rate with the owners making all kinds of promises they can’t possibly fulfill. Someone I know did a little sleuthing one night and came up with a big string of sites insisting their product or products will cure us.

      For most of us it’s simply a matter of finding a combination of this and that to provide a level of comfort that we can live with, and hoping those who are genuinely trying to help are successful and soon.

      Nice to see you here, Southern Drawl. So sorry for your suffering and that of your five year old. It’s particularly sad to know another child has these symptoms.

    • #31724
      Notnutz
      Participant

      You’re calling textile fibers variant?

      Do you have this disease?

      If so, have you had the fibers identified?

      We’re talking MACROSCOPIC fibers along with other debris found in skin lesions. Not ON!! IN!

      They didn’t appear there by accident.

    • #31769
      Michelle
      Participant
      quote curiousmorgs:

      Michelle: First let me say that I am glad that your father found relief, and hopefully he is on the road to recovery.

      Next, as a sufferer myself, who is not taking instructions from anyone, I question ‘your’ motive here as well. Are you trying to impede progress for those of us who ACTUALLY have all of the other symptoms?

      This is not Star Trek, just simple facts and reports of my own findings. If it seems a little far-fetched, then I need to ask you to look back at the perceptions of others when you and your father first approached the medical profession for help. If nothing else, the work of the NPA and your father have furthered this cause along – then at least we are starting from the grounds of ‘collembola infestation possible’ instead of ‘not possible’.

      What I would like to know is what happens when your father goes off of his medications. Do his symptoms return? Does he have any of the other symptoms? I have been looking (as I have been for months) and I don’t see a treatment protocol from the NPA, or from Morgellon’s, but I do indeed see the skin study. Is there information that is not being shared with us…..What is your father taking? I personally have been inundated by people with a ‘cure’ that a)doesn’t work b)doesn’t work c)doesn’t work, and by dr’s who profess that collembola is it, then that it’s an amoeba found in french spring water, and it keeps changing to the vector du jour.

      If the NPA has completely and conclusively found a treatment, then they would be reciprocal with the research foundation and provide that information to them. I have looked at every known parasitic infestation, and I don’t see anything that sums up the entirety of this disease.

      If there is documentation that proves that collembola infestation is responsible for the many medical manifestations that I personally have seen over a 3 month period, or that explains MORGELLONS, then please share that information with us. That information has not been provided to those of us who ARE INDEED registered with Morgellon’s Research Foundation.

      Please share your extensive knowledge about these aspects of Morgellon’s/Fiber Disease with those who haven’t gotten that conclusive information. I would dearly love to treat my 5 year old son, and myself, and my close circle of friends that have this nightmare…

      Sincerely,
      Chris – aka Southern Drawl

      My father was initially a “morgellons” registrant, his symptoms matched the symptoms listed on the “morgellons” site, his symptoms also match those listed at the NUSPA site, and his symptoms matched those listed in the NPA study. As well, his symptoms matched those listed on various medical sites under Delusional Parasitosis: They are all the same condition.

      If I was really interested in impeding other sufferers progress, then I would make unsubstantiated comments such as these: “Collembola is not the problem here” or “Collembola don’t have biting mouthparts"(btw show ma a bacteria or fungus that do have biting mouthparts) and "they can’t breathe under the skin” or “digital imaging is a ‘no-no’ ” and “this is a co-infection of Lyme disease” or…and this one of my favorites….“They only found EVIDENCE of collembola” —If I really wanted to impede other sufferers progress then I would not include the NPA in any media events I had arranged. when one of the reporters discovered that the NPA has already done a study on this disease. This would be especially true if the report happened to be in Jacksonville. (WTEV-CBS)….Then I’d probably hope that the reporter got reassigned and demoted for trying to clarify the issue….so ask yourself “who would do these things?” cuz they are the ones trying to impede progress and information flow. If my singular presentation of the known facts about this disease impedes progress, against the weight of almost everyone else on these message boards, then may I suggest that their cases must be weak.

      If you decide to read up on collembola , then you find out that some do have mouthparts, as well, some species have a styletlike mouthparts, and that collembola have been found to live up to 18 hrs in anaerobic conditions. They also tend to build up a tolerance, or immunity to various pesticides and insecticides. And you’d find out that their eggs lay dormant for long periods of time and hatch when their environments become more hospitable. Among other things you’d probably discover that collembola carry and vector a variety of bacteria (and one fungus) such as Stenotrophomas Maltophilia, and Wolbachia—which incidentally is now known to be the actual cause of Filarial disease (rather than the nematodes that carry it).

      Digital imaging has become state of the art in identifying breast cancer in some groups of women because it allows for a more thorough analysis of mammograms. Since this is the exact same technology that the NPA used it stands to reason that they would also be more effective in skin scrapings as well.

      Many people have been treated for lyme disease yet they still have this skin condition. My father was treated with powerful antibiotics prescribed by a lyme-doc for almost a year, even though the doctor told him it wasn’t lyme (he believed my father had some sort of serious infection). The antibiotics helped to clear some lesions but eventually stopped working and did not come close to curing him.

      Treatment options and responsibilities lie with the medical community(unfortunately), but they need to acknowledge the fact that this is happening. The NPA is working tirelessly to generate awareness about this skin condition in the medical and scientifically communities.— They have already gone beyond their organization’s mandate by coordinating and participating in the Oklahoma study and by giving the sufferers a tool to fight the “delusional” diagnosis. Why not try and support them?

      My father’s treatment regimen, as prescribed by his doctor, consists of diet, naturopathic antiparasitics and remedies, and creating a barrier between himself and whatever instar stage of collembola that happens to fall off of him and into his environment—in other words, get them off and keep them off.

      Southerndrawl, I’m sorry that you and your son and friends have this…..you have many people in your family and circle of friends who have this, and if you guys live in reasonably close proximity, then you may have a decent chance in finding an open-minded doctor or naturopath who would be willing to do the scrapings and consult with the NPA.

    • #31774
      bugsonthewire
      Participant

      Michelle,

      Thank you for articulating my feelings about the way certain groups have claimed this condition and attahed unsubstantiated conclusions as to its nature and cause.

      If I was really interested in impeding other sufferers progress, then I would make unsubstantiated comments such as these: “Collembola is not the problem here” or “Collembola don’t have biting mouthparts”(btw show ma a bacteria or fungus that do have biting mouthparts) and “they can’t breathe under the skin” or “digital imaging is a ‘no-no’ ” and “this is a co-infection of Lyme disease” or…and this one of my favorites….“They only found EVIDENCE of collembola” —If I really wanted to impede other sufferers progress then I would not include the NPA in any media events I had arranged,”

      The efficacy of that group is questionable, I can confirm your observations and assure other readers that there are more valid criticisms of their methods. I am particularly annoyed with the “Lyme connection” asserted by the group. Especially in light of the link on their website to a discussion forum on a lyme support group. Not a bad way to get your organisations registrations up. Also it should be noted that the NUSPA discussion board, got pestered out of existence in a concerted campaign of harrassment. The NUSPA boards moderator correctly asserted that associating this condition with Lyme Disease and disassociating it with the NPA Collembola study, without scientific analysis to support these positions was incorrect science.

      so ask yourself “who would do these things?”

      Short of grand and unlikely conspiracies I can only assume that these are the actions of people motivated by greed, ego, selfishness and arrogance.

      The information you have provided on Collembola I have found invaluabe, if yyou have any other thoughts please post them.

      A final point, since the close of the NUSPA discussion board I am sure there are many like myself who are grateful to find this alternative, non agenda driven forum to discuss our situation. I hope that in our enthusiasm to investigate our situation we do not takeover this forum. In the process excluding the trained and inquisitive scientists who frequent this place. The people who may be able to provide sensible input. The people who should be discussing this condition on this board, as we observe and assist with information. I suspect propogating theories based on psuedo-science, in preference to valid investigations, is a sure way to indicate to the real scientists this condition is indeed psychiatric.

    • #31775
      Skytroll
      Participant

      🙁
      😥
      🙄
      😉

    • #31781
      CliffMickelson
      Participant

      To read Dr. Wymore’s informative reply to this poster concerning Collembolla, please follow the link provided at the bottom of the excerpt.

      -CliffMickelson

      ***

      Dr. Wymore,

      I read your memo on the experiments so far conducted from the Morgellons webpage. You noted that so far no DNA sequence which defines the order collembola has been amplified by PCR. Yet, 18 out of 20 patients were
      at least identified morphologically by the entomologists in the Oklahoma study to be collembola.

      I was wondering my self why they did not confirm their visual findings with PCR at the time of the study. Do you think it would be constructive if you could get a sample of the skin scrapings they used, assuming they
      still have some, and conduct a PCR reaction for the cytochrome oxidase DNA ? Or maybe ask
      them to do it?

      Also on a side note, if you could clarify on what part of the body was the skin scrapings you used for the PCR reaction obtained. As I recall,
      all the skin scrapings in the oklahoma study were from the scalp.

      Thanks
      David

      http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde … 1130338715

    • #31786
      Notnutz
      Participant

      SKIN scrapings, not scalp scrapings.

    • #31787
      Mardulce
      Participant

      If there is something urgent for all of us to do is to check out our own beliefs regarding the strong societal hierarchical system we are sustaining. One of the heads of that system is occupied by the health authorities. In many cases doctors and designers of health policies take for granted a power over our bodies, deciding (or ignoring) about our life and our future in ways that are endangering.
      Take for example the fiber disease (Morgellons). Doctors seem to be ignoring the fact that thousands of people have this new disease. Many of them are affirming that these cases are delusional. They are expecting us to believe their affirmations and stay quiet. In the meanwhile the disease is spreading all over the world, causing people to have symptoms such as cronic fatigue, loss of memory, different skin disorders, and others. The patients with morgellons are not being recognized as being sick, so they don’t get health insurance and cannot afford not to go to work. There are teachers, nurses, all sorts of professionals, who are suffering from this disease, people in daily contact with many others.
      Mothers and fathers of possible new victims, sufferers of morgellons or relatives, are we going to sit down and not do anything about this issue?

      Waiting is what I have been doing in the last five months, while my partner keeps on fighting the fiber disease (his condition has been considered as delusional by six doctors), while I have started having some of the symptoms, and while I work as a teacher, actually in an international school, with students from many different parts of the world.
      Still, I think I must not lose my hope, because that is going to make the things worse. But, it seems as if I should be doing something different, beside all the healing forms we have already tried, and I don’t know exactly what else is there left to do.

    • #31857
      tamtam
      Participant

      Again:

      You are infected with a modified cyanobacterium that will differentiate, since it is made quorum sensing, in fact a stem cell like property.

      Also nerve cell behavior is part of specialized cell by this micro organism.

      (micro organisms are single cell; when made quorum sensing they act multi cellular; multi cellular is synonymous with stemming from one type cell that will differentiate)

      Activity in or near skin nerves may cause a pain signal (a bite)

      Specks is secretome of this element and most resembles cellulose and tanned chitin like polymer.

      Fibers are variant and resemble most plant like cell that think they are insect like cell”

      Its plant like behavior relates to cyano and its insect behavior to e.g lepidoptera. More insect cell technology is present and mammal in-put

      Expression relates to sensing cell of plant and insect.

      Try diluted copper sulphate in a neutral base( baby shampoo)
      Keep wet for a while and shower.
      Repeat.
      —————————————————-
      Do not ingest copper sulphate
      —————————————————-
      Observe how lesions stain, dry out and cure within days.
      Your infestation with sensing protein fibers is also gone.
      Report your experience.
      —————————————————-

      However,

      Infection with this element is per definition not possible to cure with topical treatment.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #31863
      Greema
      Participant

      I have been using copper sulfate for a while now. I began to use it
      since I thought this disease was a mixture of dictyostelium and oomycetes and a possible silkworm.
      The preferred cure for oomycetes in plants such as downy mildew and saprolegnia in fish is copper sulfate.
      Please be advised that this substance is both toxic and corrosive and is not recommended for human use. Please read up before you even think of using it. http://www.oldbridgechem.com/msdscuso4.html
      Although I have used this product on lesions,it does not heal the disease
      internally. What I have found in some instances is that if the lesions
      are large and deep it will trigger satellite lesions in the surrounding areas
      possibly making it worse. Just be very careful and remember that it is not an internal cure.

      Greema

    • #31884
      Notnutz
      Participant

      Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:58 pm Post subject:

      ——————————————————————————–

      Again:

      You are infected with a modified cyanobacterium that will differentiate, since it is made quorum sensing, in fact a stem cell like property.

      TamTam, do you suffer this skin disease?

      Do you know someone personally who has the disease and have you personally observed their skin lesions?

      Are you a medical doctor or a scientist?

      If not, on what are you basing your opinion?

      This is a snyopsis of symptoms most frequently reported by those of us who suffer this disease:

      Biting, stinging, crawling sensations.
      Black specks emerging from our skin.
      Glitter on the skin.
      Tobacco like particles emerging from skin lesions.
      Most report lesions, but others do not.
      Fibers and other debris within our lesions.

      For additional symptoms visit http://www.headlice.org survey/questionnaire.

      Appreciate your input, but would like to see some data to support your posts.

    • #31895
      tamtam
      Participant

      Correct observation of Greema.

      Still; copper sulphate is number one because it disrupts its cyano based architecture.

      The target represents a fusion of a mayor parasitic protozoa including multiple mammal gene in-put and multiple insect cell in-put.
      Silk worm is not excluded.

      Lepidoptera is dominant in culture.

      The target is brought in culture.
      Observation is based on about 180 cultures.

      Multiple gene expression synomymous with multi lineage differentiation is fact: thus stem cell related.

      This particular affinity is two fold.
      1/ because its quorum sensing
      2/ because a reject in the form of a keratin pump

      Until further notice,

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #31927
      curiousmorgs
      Participant

      i think i have it figured out. theories anyone?

    • #32006
      Notnutz
      Participant

      This is like “are you thinking what I’m thinking?”

      Are you suspicious of all this cryptic biotechjabberwocky?

      ❓ ❓ ❓ ❓

      Did the 💡 come on? ❓ ❓

      Additional information coming soon? ❓ ❓ ❓

    • #32112
      Notnutz
      Participant

      What happened? Everyone get tired of the subject?

      Those who suffer sure aren’t tired of finding websites where the disease is discussed and are overjoyed to learn they’re not lost and alone despite the way they’ve been treated by the medical community.

      Type in some key-words such as biting, crawling, black specks, glitter, and you’ll find websites devoted to discussing, sharing tips for relief of symptoms, etc.

      Hey, everyone! Come back and let’s get this going again.

      COME

    • #32145
      Skytroll
      Participant

      😆
      🙄
      8)

    • #32167
      Notnutz
      Participant

      No scientist, so don’t want to paint myself into a corner, but have always been drawn to the Protista. They have plant and animal like characteristics and the Euglena live as a plant by day and an animal by night.

      Early on I wondered if the reason so many of us suffered more crawling movement at night was because the infestation involved nocturnal animals rather than diurnal.

      I believe Euglena contain Chlorophyl and their cell walls are composed of chitin.

      Aren’t Protozoa Protists? Protozoa can enter AND leave the skin by way of blood sucking arthropods.

      What carries the fibers? Probably any life form that consumes Protozoa and other lower life forms.

    • #32225
      tamtam
      Participant

      Quorum-sensing bacteria discoveryMolecular structure is solved for key protein of quorum-sensing bacteria … Among human pathogens that use quorum sensing to estimate their population …
      http://www.news.cornell.edu/Chronicle/ 02/7.11.02/quorum-sensing.html – 8k – Cached – Similar pages

      Read this.

    • #32226
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #32227
      tamtam
      Participant

      Microbiologists have borrowed the term "pheromone" from entomologists because they believe that insect like chemical signaling and communication also can occur among bacteria. But the idea of bacterial quorum sensing, which came under serious consideration only in the last decade, is still as much theory as established fact, Winans cautioned. The presence of a second, seemingly redundant apparatus for quorum sensing in Pseudomonas bacteria "makes us wonder if something else also is going on," Winans said.

    • #32229
      Greema
      Participant

      Here is a new development in quorum sensing bacteria.

      http://www.buffalo.edu/news/fast-execut … e=60440009

      Greema

    • #32235
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #32257
      Michelle
      Participant
      quote Skytroll:

      Hello all,

      Michelle, you are looking at many angles. I’m glad to hear that. I do think you are correct that collembola is there, because of the way they jump and the glue-like substance that they make to harbor their offspring. This could cause the circle, but, I do believe they have been used in genomed
      products and are possibly vectors, and/or carriers of a bacteria.

      S. maltophilia could be the bacteria and the Wohlbachia was genomed. Just like the human body was genomed so is every bacteria, bug, worm, and insect.

      The USDA has approved of so many of these genomed, in other words. gene inserted bacterias and gene-splicing into other things which does change the DNA of the new product.

      A bio-synthesis, like is discussed here, Tam-tam,
      Forum, etc, is what is taking place on the whole earth.

      Oh, I believe the collembola are involved. You make us think here. Just keep doing what you are doing. I am willing to look at all angles, too.

      We are on here to help each other. Putdowns by anyone will only discourage people from educating themselves. The pseudo-science has been taught for too many years. A fresh new look on how we educate is paramount.

      Open discussions on bio-synthesis should be done.
      Because that is what is happening. That is why NPA, NORD, MORGEllONS, Lymebusters cannot find any one answer for the different aspects of our suffering.

      A study on genetically altered foods, bio-mass, bio-remediation and other gene/splicing of insects and plants to fit the Tree of Life of Evolution is what is needed with input from the public. An open discussion on all of this should be encouraged by universities, medical institutions and businesses who produce these products.

      Using synthetic materials to replace natural plants like cotton, with cellulose found in cyanobacteria is
      dangerous. What is wrong with the plant in it’s native form? Or the collembola in it’s native form?

      Nothing, but, when synthesis takes over nature, I wonder why it has to be done. We will go around in circles on all of this, unless we recognize what some of these institutions are doing and what they have patented for the big biotech, biomed, bio-control of plants on farms, what we eat.

      We shouldn’t be afraid to discuss this stuff.

      skytroll

      Speaking of GE—interesting stuff about the Bt toxin
      http://www.bluelink.net/gmo/eng/e_prob.htm

    • #32265
      Michelle
      Participant
      quote CliffMickelson:

      To read Dr. Wymore’s informative reply to this poster concerning Collembolla, please follow the link provided at the bottom of the excerpt.

      -CliffMickelson

      ***

      Dr. Wymore,

      I read your memo on the experiments so far conducted from the Morgellons webpage. You noted that so far no DNA sequence which defines the order collembola has been amplified by PCR. Yet, 18 out of 20 patients were
      at least identified morphologically by the entomologists in the Oklahoma study to be collembola.

      I was wondering my self why they did not confirm their visual findings with PCR at the time of the study. Do you think it would be constructive if you could get a sample of the skin scrapings they used, assuming they
      still have some, and conduct a PCR reaction for the cytochrome oxidase DNA ? Or maybe ask
      them to do it?

      Also on a side note, if you could clarify on what part of the body was the skin scrapings you used for the PCR reaction obtained. As I recall,
      all the skin scrapings in the oklahoma study were from the scalp.

      Thanks
      David

      http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde … 1130338715

      Speaking of Genetics,

      “High levels of genetic differentiation between
      Wolbachia-infected and non-infected populations
      of Folsomia candida (Collembola, Isotomidae)”

      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o … rticle.pdf

    • #32269
      tamtam
      Participant

      The systemic disease you suffer from is caused by a set commensal resembling quorum sensing made micro organisms.

      Its base architecture is a cyanobacterium fused with a mayor parasitic protozoa
      (to include cyclical and variant glycoprotein properties)

      Multiple dominant gene expression can be observed in culture.

      Also random re-combination is fact.
      Re-combinations represent variant.

      Fibers are variant
      (novel plant/ insect like cell)

      Hence; multi lineage differentiation is fact.
      Multi lineage differentiation is in particular stem cell related.

      Also quorum sensing is a stem cell like property

    • #32273
      J Jill
      Participant

      Tamtam,

      Aside from the copper in baby shampoo, do you have any suggestions
      for those with the fibers?

    • #32278
      Skytroll
      Participant

      😮
      🙁
      😕
      8)

    • #32279
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Life if for living.

      s

    • #32283
      Notnutz
      Participant

      Tamtam, what did you mean by this?

      “Involvement of the ear portal is significant.”

      Hey, do you mean the slide-glide that goes from jaw line to ear?

      I need to know. If you can explain this I’ll be most appreciative.

    • #32284
      s3support
      Participant

      Dear interested readers,
      I was asked to contribute to the postings on “fiber disease.” I am well aware of the condition and feel very comfortable with the explanation provided in the following published article.

      Experimental and Molecular Pathology
      Volume 78, Issue 3 , June 2005, Pages 212-214

      Alternative cellular energy pigments mistaken for parasitic skin infestations

      W. John Martin

      Center for Complex Infectious Diseases, 3328 Stevens Avenue, Rosemead, CA 91770, USA

      Received 5 January 2005. Available online 23 March 2005.

      Abstract
      Dermatologists and psychiatrists occasionally encounter patients who believe they are infested with skin parasites. They may report seeing threads, fibers and more solid appearing particles attached to their skin and hair, or appearing on clean bed sheets after sleeping. Some of the particles move spontaneously suggesting a life form. Similar structures develop in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. They are termed alternative cellular energy pigments (ACE pigments) since they appear to provide a non-mitochondria source of cellular energy that can assist in cellular repair from the virus cytopathic effect (CPE). Particles obtained from the skin of stealth virus culture-positive patients can also display auto-fluorescence and electrostatic properties. Some of the particles are magnetic and can generate gas in an aqueous solution. They also lead to the production of lipid-like crystals similar to those produced in long-term cultures of stealth-adapted viruses. It is proposed that skin-derived particles that form in some of the patients assumed to be experiencing a delusional parasitosis are, in reality, a reflection of the body’s production of ACE pigments.

      Note: I can provide a copy of the entire article to a few individuals but for copyright reasons should not post it to Biology-Online. The important Public Health issue of stealth-adapted viruses that lack antigens required for effective immune recognition is covered on the web site http://www.s3support.com This site also describes a publication in which activation of the ACE pathway is shown expedite the healing of herpes virus skin lesions.
      I hope this information is helpful. Kind regards, W. John Martin, M.D., Ph.D. [email protected]

    • #32303
      tamtam
      Participant

      Fine Dr. Martin depends on a theory.
      I read his article and it does not apply.

      Inconsistent.

      But, Dr. Martin will be asked to describe video footage that will be made available soon. Dr. Martin is one of the best because he has tried to explain and take the matter very serious.

      “tamtam” just gives a description of what can be observed in culture.
      Fibers can not be cultered – to my knowledge.

      The inner ear and its “significant” involvement wil also be tried to explain.
      Indeed a line is running from corner of mouth and nose folds over cheek into hair line. But more is the case.

      A distribution pattern exist that concerns all that are affected with this element.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #32304
      tamtam
      Participant

      ////////////////////forward/////////////////

    • #32311
      tamtam
      Participant

      to avoid confusion:
      Errata/

      Inner ear should be read as outer ear channel.

    • #32314
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Learning is a wonderful thing.

      s

    • #32327
      Greema
      Participant

      Article with photos of cultures with fiber development.
      http://www.s3support.com/members/scient … igment.pdf

      Greema

    • #32330
      southcity
      Participant
      quote Skytroll:

      Tamtam, greema, others,

      Here it is in a nutshell. Hard nut to crack.

      http://www.metabolicengineering.gov/five_year_plan2.htm

      Plan 1. Already took place. All agencies doing their jobs….

      Look who is involved.

      Skytroll

      who knows for sure if this is the same program we are talking about or not BUT visiting
      IP logs support this theory. It would be interesting to know who some of this programs larger investors are. I believe things will begin to get “sticky” now for some that may be getting to close. be on your toes.

      Southcity

    • #32365
      Greema
      Participant

      To Dr Martin, TamTam and others,

      Many thanks from all of us suffering from this “fiber disease “and other related diseases . It is at least assuring to know that there is the presence of several researchers working tirelessly in spite of lack of government acknowledgement or funding to
      help us.
      Just to know that this is a disease that has been
      validated by medical professionals is long overdue.

      Please, No more tasteless jokes about delusions.
      Our lives are not a comedy and this situation is very serious. People are ill and dying. Tomorrow it could be your family .

      It would be my biggest wish to get these interested researchers together and discuss their data.
      There have been stumbling blocks placed at every turn of the road to help us. There is obviously a reason that all the facts have been
      so deeply hidden from the public.
      We have all been offered Pimozide for our “delusional state” Many of us have not opted for this (actual) anithelminthic for swine and remain clear thinking .
      We await the coming news.

      Love,
      Greema

    • #32384
      Notnutz
      Participant

      http://dermatology.cdlib.org/rxderm-arc … raconazole

      Itraconazole warning.

      Diflucan appears to be much safer.

    • #32425
      tamtam
      Participant

      Insect Cuticle as a Motif for Biomimetic Materials
      Insect cuticle’s superb mechanical characteristics, as determined by a …
      Native insect cuticle was studied at several different stages throughout its …
      aiche.confex.com/aiche/2005/techprogram/P27223.HTM – 10k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #32436
      tamtam
      Participant

      reference/2/comprehensible description of sensilla

      IOBC wprs Bulletin Vol 22(9), 1999
      With my second comment I come to my favorites, the Lepidoptera. … We found
      several morphologial types of complex sense organs, sensilla, which are all …
      phero.net/iobc/dachau/bulletin99/schneider.html – 32k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #32492
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Lemonade causes one to pucker.

      s

    • #32526
      bugga
      Participant

      hi gang, i am not afflicted but my freind some distance away seems to be. after much agony and remedy searches and attempts, he thinks he might have hit on something that works. several applications of super glue allows one to literally rip the little buggas out of the skin. he does acknowledge that it is painfull but as anyone with this syndrome should know, any type of cure short of suicide would be a welcome relief. This seems to take care of the adult stage but it is unknown about the effect on other stages. good luck everyone. seems like the time is upon us.

    • #32540
      J Jill
      Participant

      I’m sure you meant only to help in sharing the tip about the super glue but “ripping the little buggas out of the skin” is not the problem.

      The fibers can be drawn out in many (non-painful) ways. Vaseline, mayo (that’s the stuff in the refer), tea tree oil and many other substances “draw” the fibers from the skin.

      The question is “what are the fibers composed of and why do certain people have them?”

      Obviously, those with the fibers are not concerned only with the strange matter that is embedded in their skin- it’s much more.

      It’s the systemic illness(s) that causes (short list):

      Painful joints, muscles w/swelling and twitching (many have restless leg syndrome)
      Respiratory problems (think problems w/breathing)
      Frequent sinus infections
      severe headaches
      Extreme fatigue
      Brain fog

      Think Chronic Fatigue with some extras.

      The skin issue (fibers) is just a manifestation of something much more complicated.

      Speaking of Chronic Fatigue, what you may not have read is that Lyme Disease (the pathogen)
      and the pathogen of CFS (Chronic Fatigue) looks the same under the scope. That info is
      from a doctor who works at a lab and looks at the pathogens on a daily basis.

      Just recently I read an article where they (scientists) are now saying that the Gulf War
      Syndrome pathogen looks like Lyme Disease as well.

      Here is a recent link to Pub Med:

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer … list_uids=
      15694687&dopt=Citation

      Is Gulf War Syndrome actually chronic Lyme disease?

      **

      Lots of info out there about Gulf War Vets with a disease that closely resembles Lyme Disease
      (the topic of this thread).

      You might be surprised at the number of people with Gulf War Syndrome.

      The degree of illness and the symptoms, to include the fiber phenomenon, seems to depend
      on variables in the sufferers environment. Exposure to mold is huge in the variable area.

      IOW, many sufferers have had damp houses- basement leaks or flood, roof leaks and it would
      appear that the fungus contributes (exasperates) the illness.

      Stats indicate (depending on the source) that over 50% of the houses in the US have mold
      problems so I would guess that would be a huge variable.

      The posters on this thread were just looking to the science community for possible answers.

    • #32662
      Been there
      Participant

      This is a quick list of what I have observed the past years. It is my opinon only. It is obvious this is vector dependent to a great degree.
      First and foremost, do not clean wax out of your ears. Do remove anything not wax but leave the wax. Ear wax is a natural protector. I recently noticed I had no wax and also at the same time noticed my eardrums seemed perforated. I had pain from my ears to my jaw.
      I have managed to regain ear wax. I used an OTC medication that is not approved for use in the ears. I will respond to anyone who inquires what I used. I do not trust this disease, in 5-6 years, I know of no lesion I have cured. I have noticed a symmetry, if I develop a lesion on my right arm, at some point I will develop one on my left arm in the same area.
      I have noticed filaments are wrapped around twigs, tree limbs, etc. Soon the bark is cut, the twig, limb, etc., dies.
      It is almost impossible to cleanse a lesion without spreading it.
      This is fractal in nature, it also makes shapes that are easily recognized. Not only in the skin but the hair on my body, if not disturbed takes on the same shapes.
      A common BLB lamp is useful to visualize the extent of infestation on the surface. It is much harder to interrupt the deeper involvement with black light.
      Infra Red and false color allows visualization of deeper involvement.
      Soaking in seltzer water brings out much of it.
      Rubbing alcohol in my case completely cures all arthritic type pain and limited movement.
      Salt seems to be very effective, read the Morton Web site for recommended maximum daily intake.
      Salt is also effective in curing lesions.
      In my case, I believe my lesions are exacerbated by my allergy to mold.
      It took me years to get a positive diagnoses of mold allergy. It required hypodermic injection rather than skin prick testing.
      Any organism and even inorganic substances can infest.
      Rust is very dangerous.
      Spiders have been the worst offenders. They seem somewhat immune to the filaments, I am positive it is spiders that put insect parts in my flesh.
      The bottom line, our environment is what attacks us. If we have fly’s, then the enemy is fly’s. You have to have an open mind. Anything in the environment can and will end up in us.
      I have witnessed many different species enter my flesh. It is the filaments that pull them in. I have lost use of all my microscopes but any filaments I have examined were covered with legless organisms. They made the filaments move.

    • #32695
      Been there
      Participant

      I worked for a time with Debs at the NPA. She told me about a Scientist who was not bothered by parasites. When she asked him why, he said he put two pans of warm water under the bed each night. I had a darkroom, so I had temperature controlled water baths. I put one in the room where my mother stayed. It became the only room I was safe in. I set it at 37º C and kept it full of water at all times. After her passing, she was 92 plus years old, I accidentally spilled it. I could not remove the spot on the floor. It dispersed over time. Now , if I go into the room , I am immediately aware of the organisms presence. I can’t breath. I do not go in anymore. I might mention my mother acquired Morgellons when she was a child. I was born with it. I am 60. This is not a death sentence. Anyhow, to continue, water baths were approximately $150.00. I imagine they are available very reasonable on eBay. A pan with a 60 watt light bulb would probably work, maybe a flee trap could be made into an effective device. All I am certain of is the water bath worked great for us! Maybe someone on the forum has a suggestion. I believe the white specks that seem to fly are the desiccated transparent organisms from the loosely wound cocoons. Whatever they are, they are IR seeking and seem to be able to survive for years.

    • #32884
      tamtam
      Participant

      Fibers are stray target of experimental biology.
      In particular experimental micro biology class 3 (C3)

      That cellulose type fibers move on its own is because it are micro organisms that go dormant (pseudo apoptotic) and are more or less static because of low metabolism.

      This apoptotic pathway (e.g protozoa to protein ) can partially be related to protein take up in ruminants except that the involved set micro organisms are quorum sensing and are not apoptotic but dormant.

      During formation fibers show nerve cell type behavior.

      Nerve cell type behavior they show in particular when they unite as a fiber most resembling a shaft that is related to the mold of a modified cyanobacterium.

      Compare: shaft / sensillae

      This dominant type gene expression in the form of a semi autonomous and sensing fiber is in fact a break away group cell.
      A variant form (a re- combination)

      Lepidoptera is one dominant gene in-put

      Its overall character is in-between plant(cellulose) and insect (chitin)cell.

      Single cell micro organisms with an acquired property called quorum sensing will make morphologically diverse micro organisms act multi cellular (act as one)

      Quorum sensing is in fact a stem cell like property.
      Quorum sensing micro organisms unite hence differentiate during formation of a multi cellular organism.

      Hence multi lineage differentiation synonymous with stem cell related.
      ————————————————————————————–
      Fast dividing tissue forms a base(culture medium) for this organism.
      This type target can only be kept alive and cultured in test animal.
      ————————————————————————————–

      Fibers show in-between behavior like:
      “plant cell that think they are insect cell”

      The agent its intermediate stage resembles a protoplasm.
      A transparent agar like cloud with basic properties preserved.

      All elements are quorum sensing
      All elements differentiate

      check: chitin / cellulose wound dressing

      No association is made by micro biologist or histopathologist in connection to this occult acting pathogen.

      Nota bene,

      Its intermediate stage resembles a (quorum sensing) transparent gel (agar) that actually constitutes a protoplasm and indeed this protoplasm may be loaded with plasmids
      (vector in the form of virus or DNA mimicking protein)
      This feat may indicate DNA transfer.

      keywords: oncology/ cytokine/ proteome

      This makes detection of the agent in biopsy impossible during standard clinical research.

      Single cell micro organisms function on a multi cellular level,
      communication between species of the same kind as well as different kind is possible.

      The micro organism has been genetically fused with a mayor parasitic protozoa, a butterfly(lepidoptera)and a mammal and/or bird like specie.
      More insect technology is present.

      Multi lineage differentiation is fact.

      Fibers constitute protein most resembling cellulose.
      Specks are chitin like polymers.

      keywords: sensillae/ biosensor/ micro flight/
      cellulose cyano macromolecule

      Fibers represent cell that are most connected to sensing parts of its insect gene in-put

      keywords: insect cuticle/ sensillae/ artificial skin

      Colors of the fibers relate to the colored wing pattern of lepidoptera.
      Actually fibers constitute variants with a semi parasitic nature.
      If they have a double function (as color tag) is not clear.

      Keratin erosion between human hair and this semi parasitic fiber is evident. Association with the skin follicle hence stem cell is rational.
      The breeding ground for the organism in skin is almost exclusively the follicle(stem cell per definition) and stem cell related tissue.

      keyword: stem cell/ hair follicle

      The phenomenon is directly linked to proteome and genome research and concerns commensal bacteria without the status of known pathogen.

      Coccoid/ coccidioid/ prototheca
      Some members of the tree are known as nosocomial (like pseudomonas)
      other expression is associated with variant glyco protein.
      ————————————————————————————-

      Infection resembles most protothecosis.

      Amphotericine B and amikacine will be the most logic choice for therapy but no protocol exist for this type condition.

      Sulfa Methoxazole/ Tri and Tetracycline and derivatives are suppressive but not curative.

      Also azoles like itraconazole, econazole, micanozole work static.

      Infection may directly or indirectly relate to IBS, fibromyalgia, scleroderma, amyloidosis, chronic fatigue syndrome, therapy resistant skin lesions, onycholysis, neurogenic bladder and (chorio)retinitis.

      Alternative -only- topical treatment:
      essential oil (natural insecticide)
      diluted copper sulfate (algaecide)

      Alternative oral therapy:
      garlic
      (quorum sensing disturbing property/ Swiss research)

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #32898
      southcity
      Participant

      Hello, tamtam

      could you please explain what you had mentioned before concerning outer ear channel involvement with this infection? Also which essential oils are most effective, is one manufacturer of oils more effective than others as well?

      Hope you are well,
      southcity

    • #32953
      London
      Participant

      Dearest Tam Tam,

      I have studied by means of visual observation only, things that I have taken from lesions on my skin and also things that I have retieved from simply freeflowing around my home. I am no scientist but have studied this creature for at least seven hours a day. From visually viewing it with a 30x magnification and also a 100x magnification, I have found it to be from the Cladocera. The Daphnia to be specific. Is this in anyway related to what you are referring to? I’d be most humbled if you would
      give me feedback.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #32971
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #33002
      London
      Participant

      Dear Tam Tam,

      Thank you for posting again. This whole scenario is most cryptic.

      I believe that the glycoprotein you refer to is Fibronectin, which mediates a variety of cell to cell interactions and it’s found in plasma.

      Man-made? It’s so not nice to fool with Mother Nature. But why more females afflicted? Why is the sky blue right?

      Tam Tam what’s your aptitude? Just curious. (please note: I ask this in a positive way-as in an inherent bonus of what you’re extrememly good at, besides scientific Biological Engineering)

      Again. Thank You!!!

      London

    • #33015
      ddx118
      Participant

      Back to Collembola for a moment…

      I’ve been seriously afflicted with a Collembola infestation since early March. I was diagnosed by a nurse. The itching, poking, rashes, “trails” across my skin and horrible scarring lesions have been a nightmare. They make themselves known with a painful poke, signaling me I have been contaminated or a youngster has just matured. It’s been just awful.

      A reminder that unlike scabies, springtails JUMP (as in spring-tail)…about 4 centimeters! (amazing for a creature 1mm long)

      I have never seen a fiber or thread or hair like substance come out of my skin, though. I have, on the other had, seen many, many springtails. I believe collembola and morgellons to be different, maybe related, afflictions.

      As bad as the springtails are they sound mild compared to fiber disease. I believe many morgellon’s sufferers are infested by both springtails AND the glowing wormy things. (Are morgellons dependent upon collembola in some way?)

      I’ve spent many dozens of hours studying collembola and how and why the infest humans. I’m working on a whitepaper which I hope will bring together scattered information and present the disease in plain common language. Perhaps one of you biology types will edit it for me 🙂

      I have come up with a protocol which is reducing them steadily but slowly. Is that of interest to this audience? I haven’t rid myself of the collembola completely so anyone who has more ideas please do share! (I have read entire chain so no need to rehash 🙂

      Has anyone out there actually rid themselves of them completely? For more than a year?

      I hope sharing what has been working for me will help all you collembola sufferers out there, especially the children!)

      Thanks,
      Ddx

    • #33016
      London
      Participant

      Dear Ddx,

      I think I might have had them when the first major initative into Hell-outbreak occurred (Morgellons) They were in hair follicles-especially eyelashes. The reason I suspect it to have been Collembola is simply due to the fact that I actually felt one push away-spring9if you will) from my left top eyelashes. Two weeks worth of Sulper antibiotic ridded this.
      But my friend, I had only a small case of them.

      Also at this time, some sort of parasitic creature in my left ear canal ( it had resided there for at least two years prior) also disseminated.

      I could not find too much on this ancient worm- nno graphics at all.

      Try garlic-eat fresh. raw—-Must chew as much as possible

      Get spray bottle 3/4 water to 1/4 tea-tree oil (or less t.tree) and carry it with you all thru the day. Mist into the air, etc. Spray all over your body.

      London

    • #33093
      tamtam
      Participant

      keywords:

      quorum sensing inhibitor/ garlic

      More articles with google.

      QS Blocker
      SCREENING AND TARGET VALIDATION OF QUORUM SENSING BLOCKERS IN … Extracts of
      garlic were shown to be particularly effective in blocking QS in P. aeruginosa …
      botserv1.unizh.ch/site/ site/research/projects/QSBlocker.php – 28k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #33106
      ruth
      Participant

      tam-tam’s posts seems right on to me.

      MY MOTH EXPERIENCES:

      i’ve been infested since july 1997. my infestation seemed to be mature by year 5, as their main shoots were in place so no more intense drilling pain esp thru bones.
      BUT
      i really thought i would NEVER share this with anyone….. …………… but here goes…………

      in the spring of of 1999…..

      i have alway thought (seen) that i put out pieces of the whole that finds each other and becomes………….

      i had my ‘lab’ in my bedroom with tons of samples everywhere. i isolated in my bedroom trying to figure out what was going on, and to not contaminate others as i was.

      i would watch forms jump, gather more energy, jump until they join together with another form and ‘lock and key’ together and become one, over and over.

      i watched creation take place in front of my eyes as mucous blobs from my eyes would become specific forms
      the forms would find each other by some kind of electrical energy. from what i remember, each form had an antennae fiber of sorts to guide them to one another and lead me to believe the different fibers have a part to play in the making of the finished product like possibly blood vessels, tendons, etc.

      i could not find where the forms would all jump to until one day i moved a stack of shirts on a lower less used shelf. in back of the stack, there was a large variety of forms all hanging together.
      my room was the only room in a large house that produced the large moths.
      one of the stick-forms that exited my skin, eventually turned into a beautiful (i felt ‘she’) moth. her wings were still folded around her in a spiral, but i remember her as being dark colored with large eyes. too bad i lost her in my moves.

      the bathroom was directly over the cellar. the bottom of the tub could be visualized. the forms that came out of me at the bath would hang from webs in the cellar. outside the cellar was my rose garden, one of the jute rose ties was going into the cellar, when i pulled and dug up the jute there was a large bed of the forms about a foot underground they were laying on spongy-like soil ……..only the forms were larger than i had seen come out of me, they continued to grow larger in the soil!!!
      i got evicted from this house before i could see the results of their garden. some of the river rocks in their bed had lots of amber crystals growing on them, no where else in the yard or neighborhood could the crystals on river rock be found. i would vibrate when i held them .
      i’d like to go dig around in that yard, but the owners won’t let me.
      i also vibrate when i am around others infested.

      when i lived in az. the trailer didn’t have enough slope, so i’d have to flush out the toilet line with water, i wasn’t consistent in doing that and in my toilet there was always the small fly looking hairy moths, and lots of them. no one else in the trailer court had them in their lines.

      can you see why i’ve not told my moth stories?

      please be kind, i am fragile. it’s been over 8 years of dealing with this phenomenon.

    • #33138
      DJ
      Participant

      So has anyone found out exactly what Morgellons is yet? Is it actually different from delusional parasitosis or cutaneous dysaesthesia? Has an infectious agent been found yet?

    • #33139
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Live and let live.

      s

    • #33154
      DJ
      Participant
      quote Skytroll:

      HI DC,

      look here.

      look familiar?

      http://www.crossinglines.net/

      Skytroll

      Actually it doesn’t look familiar, but more like a conspiracy theory. No offense. And to ruth, I think maybe you need to treat your illness with a drug that can relieve psychosomatic symptoms. Have you looked into seeing a psychiatrist? Just my opinion.

    • #33177
      London
      Participant

      Dearest TamTam,

      How are you? How lethal is this fiber disease? In regards to chiton/cellulose: Did you know that many paper and textile industries are very interested?

      Regarding Hair Follicle: Hair Cycle-Associated Changes in the Skin Immune System

      “In addition to its dramatic effects on skin architecture and the proliferation, differentiation, and apoptosis of many extrafollicular cell populations synchronized hair follicle cycling has profound effects on standard skin immune parameters.”

      Are you referring to our bodies stress response signal?
      Was the wound dressing you referred to a surgical dressing made with nanotechnology? Wounds incite inflammation and thus call on immune cells. The skin and our mucous membranes are our first defense mechanisms right?

      The infections you listed which relate to the diseases you describe,
      could this also possibly relate to microsporidiosis? I fear this disease/bacteria has colonized in my lungs.

      Understanding the factors relevant to initial bacterial attachment,
      evasion of host defenses, and establishment of infection are most critical here.

      Will you please share with me any knowledge you have regarding my above questions? I have been doing all the homework assignments you have given. Nearly all, that is.

      Thank you again,

      London

    • #33181
      DJ
      Participant
      quote Skytroll:

      DJ,

      👿 😕

      Evil comes in many forms doesn’t it? Yep, chalk it up to conspiracy theory. You must be listening to MAIN STREAM MEDIA, the gutless wonders who cannot report truthfully.

      They forgot how to investigate, that is why we are doing it here.

      What are you hiding?

      And to say that to Ruth, you sound like those a hole doctors who are merely wimps of the AMA. They are as cruel as you are.

      We mean business here…….You must not suffer from this otherwise you would not be saying things like that to Ruth.

      Ruth, 😉 8) 🙂 🙄 look up. God loves you.

      I love ya…..don’t let nerds like this hurt you.

      And yes, you are have every right to report what you are finding because that is exactly what is there. The troops are coming out to defend their evil actions.

      Skytrolll

      Well, you’re right. I don’t have Morgellons. But I still see no reason why Ruth should not see a psychiatrist. It can only help, and if her problem is not psychosomatic, then this should be ruled out by a professional. It always troubles me when someone adamantly resists a certain type of treatment. It makes me think that they know the truth behind their illness but refuse to come to grips with the fact. All I’m saying is to give it a shot. The thing about psychosomatic ailments is that you do not know that your condition is a psychosis until it is gone. You are convinced that your sickness is physical in nature and no one can tell you otherwise. That’s why I think you should rule out a mental ailment first. I am not saying this applies to all Morgellons sufferers, I am only doing my best to understand this better.

      Also, are there any accredited studies that I can look at of research pertaining to pathogens, patients, or fiber/speck samples from a Morgellons sufferer? Thanks in advance.

    • #33183
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi DJ,
      I am sure that you mean well, but you cannot really say these things about Ruth. Why not? For one reason, any diagnosis of a mental illness in such circumstances is one of exclusion. This means that a psychiatrist should only be consulted after a physician in the relevant specialist area (e.g. parasitology) has thoroughly examined the patient, and has found no abnormal physical clinical features. It seems to me that lesions which emit strange (to say the least) fibers would and could not be classified as such. Just because a patient gives a descriptive, maybe even imaginative, account of this does not indicate mental illness. Furthermore, when one views pictures of these strange fibers, and sees the ways in which they move, even when removed from the bodily lesions, this in itself should be enough to forestall scepticism. I would not readily disbelieve almost any account of what individuals say have emerged from such lesions. When you read Tamtam’s knowledgeable remarks, and add these to the diverse range of clinical features, it seems to me more than credible that we are perhaps in the midst of something new, or at least not recognized before. Another reason why you cannot say such things is that ‘psychosomatic’ is not in any sense synonymous with ‘psychosis’. Psychosomatic ailments are actually real conditions which are classically thought to have an emotional element, e.g. psoriasis, peptic ulcer, asthma, from the Greek psyche = mind, soma =body. I think you really meant hypochondrias, where an individual might imagine they have certain conditions. This is a neurosis, though, which is still very far removed from a psychosis. If you meant delusional parasitosis, once again, although this is a psychosis, it can only be diagnosed properly after extensive and expert exclusion. There is such a condition, of course, but people who have a physical condition want the treatment for that. Can you imagine being in such pain and distress, and having horrible physical signs that are objectively verifiable, and yet being told that you are psychotic? I do not find that acceptable in the 21st century. If a person does have delusional parasitosis they of course need the proper treatment too, and should be given this, and dealt with professionally and courteously. What should not happen is misdiagnosis, or a massive failure to see what is clearly visible by any reasonably sighted person, never mind highly paid medical professionals.

    • #33187
      southcity
      Participant

      wow, where did you come from cilla! And how can you be persuaded to take a more active interest in this? that was a very powerfull reply, to merely say your reply was very well spoken would be a major understatement. thank you from myself and many others no doubt.

    • #33204
      DJ
      Participant

      Thank you for the reply, but I think you were too busy trying to poke holes in my previous post that you entirely missed the connections I made.

      As far as to what I can say about Ruth, this is to my own discretion. When given such an imaginative description as the one that Ruth gave which includes quotes such as:

      quote :

      i have alway thought (seen) that i put out pieces of the whole that finds each other and becomes………….
      quote :

      i had my ‘lab’ in my bedroom with tons of samples everywhere. i isolated in my bedroom trying to figure out what was going on, and to not contaminate others as i was.
      i watched creation take place in front of my eyes as mucous blobs from my eyes would become specific forms
      the forms would find each other by some kind of electrical energy.
      quote :

      the bottom of the tub could be visualized. the forms that came out of me at the bath would hang from webs in the cellar
      quote :

      some of the river rocks in their bed had lots of amber crystals growing on them, no where else in the yard or neighborhood could the crystals on river rock be found. i would vibrate when i held them .
      i’d like to go dig around in that yard, but the owners won’t let me.
      i also vibrate when i am around others infested.

      …it becomes apparent that talking to a qualified counselor with a medical background is a very good idea indeed.

      I am not ruling out that certain phenomena could have been experienced by Ruth. But if you believe the descriptions as given in the above quotes to be those from a rationally thinking human being, then I envy your faith in the statements of others.

      As to when one should see a psychiatrist, the exclusionary principle as you so stated does not apply anymore. In the past, psychiatry has been perceived as being a hit or miss, soft science if you will. Today, advances in psychiatric medicine give the qualified physician a much needed tool in diagnosing all aspects of a patient’s condition. In many cases (such as I believe in this one), a line between purely somatic symptoms and mental illness cannot be drawn because the two are intertwined in such a way as to prevent the isolation of one from the other. Sometimes just having a qualified counselor to talk with can lead to drastic improvements in one’s condition.

      Also, many of the case studies in which a patient claims to have been infected with Morgellons disease are in fact cases of delusional parasitosis. When given the prescribed medication such as pimozide or risperidon many of said patients show an improved condition or recovery.

      If you would like, I will explain why I used the terms “psychosomatic “and “psychosis” so that it will be easier for you to understand my previous post.

      I am well aware of the meanings of these terms. I used the term “psychosomatic” in reference to the lesions found on the skin of some of the other posters. In many psychosomatic cases that involve one or multiple psychoses, there is a direct correlation between the state of the body and the state of the mind. If one were to think that bugs, motile “fibers”, or any other type of foreign particle/matter were beneath the skin then certain lesions will appear in many cases as the patient is desperately trying to create an escape from the body for these particular foreign objects. If you observe cases of delusional parasitosis, you will notice that many patients have multiple lesions, lacerations and unattended sores on their body. Also, feelings of burning, itching, and the bruising I noticed mentioned in a few posts can be directly linked to a psychosomatic illness.

      As to why I used the term psychosis, if this is not evident by the way I have responded in this post and previous ones, then I am sorry but I cannot baby you and explain the English language step-by-step.

      My field is microbiology and cell/molecular bio, which is why I have taken an interest in this condition in the first place. I will be conferring with other faculty members in the future as to their opinions on Morgellons disease. But before I become too involved, it is in my best interest to rule out factors that do not apply to my field of expertise, not only to prevent me from following a ghost trail, but to also prevent my findings from influencing others and providing sufferers with a false sense of hope. BUT, I will not make any definite judgments, nor have I made any yet (although for some reason many are already on the defensive), until I can observe a case physically and with my own eyes. The internet is a fantastic tool for the spreading of information, but it is also a notorious breeding ground of false information, misleading texts and experimental data, and outright lies.

      Also, it is a good idea that those seeking advice from this forum carefully consider the sticky entitled “Reminder about on-line diagnosis”. It is there for a reason.

    • #33219
      southcity
      Participant

      I understand your position simply by understanding what a disclosure such as this could mean to personal job security. People are already leery of the world of genetic modication its hard to predict how they will feel when they find out a organism modified by man, for what ever purpose, is most likely at some point going to affect their health in a most horrific way..

      However this cannot be avoided for much longer as this has already been kept under wraps for many many years.. to many people are now showing the same symptoms. and the ranks of those are getting larger…

      as far as some valid research having been done. Not exactly BUT there are some that have attempted to begin and however were stopped before they were started.. example the Director of human health services in Duval County FL. stated that there was now ample cause for concern and pledged to begin and investigation into this earlier this year see here http://www.cbs47.com/news/reports/story … E8599D16B7

      One month after this tv interview this well respected long term health official was fired and even after publicly refusing to play ball with the attorney general and governer of florida was reinstated as HHS director and also this was when this study stopped dead in its tracts.. As I said this is as political as it can get..

      Here is what the CDC had to say about it when asked by senator Graham “skin diseases such as this have been a topic of concern for quite some time” see attached file

      One thing we all have in common even though this thing presents itself in many different ways. are the fuzzies as I call them. we all have seen and associated them with this illness. Many pictures have been taken but none no where near as clear as the one Ill attach here as well.. this is in the video that can be seen on my site..

      Now in regards to your professional opinion what do you think of the 4 minutes available here. http://www.crossinglines.net/The%20caus … efault.htm

      use explorer and when prompted allow active content to view.. Higher digital resolution is available though not linked to because of large size of file and bandwith considerations.. to any credentialed research person or physician I will provide link to download Digital high quality version.. simply email me at [email protected].

      If you would give me all the details that come to mind after you view it.. eg what level of lab is capable of producing this, if you have seen anthing like this. etc etc.. dont hold back and pick this video apart for us. I will say that english is not the presenters primary language however so go easy on his english and occasional typo.

      Thank you
      southcity


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    • #33230
      London
      Participant

      Oh Tam Tam…won’t you come out and play with us? I’m really kind of liking this bio stuff-wish I would ‘ve studied it in college.

      Please give us more hints? Can you also tell me how I scored with the homework assignments? (see last page near bottom).

      I also remember what you offered in regards to helping : Garlic, amphotecineB….and so forth.

      Do you think thiis new medicine that Chiron Pharmeceuticals is coming out with will be good ? Is’nt this the amphotecine? I know it’s available in Europe now.

      Tam Tam Please-tell me straight up how devestating this illness is. You have gracioulsly offered suggestions for helping ease the pain we go thru and to that I’d like to say Thank you. I hope you will offer more as they come available.

      Tam Tam, I think this bacteria is a very virulent one, i THINK IT(THIS PATHENOGEN), GETS INTO EVERYTHING-AM I RIGHT? I THINK THE INSECTS, THE PLANTS, US HUMANS AND HECK..THEY..EVEN CAN GET INTO AND LIVE IN THE WATER! I KNOW I’M NO SCIENTIST-LIKE I’VE SAID BEFORE, BUT NOW THAT THEY’RE TAKING OVER ALL THE PLANTS AND CROPS WELL IT HAS JUST GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL. YOU KNOW TAM TAM. I THINK THAT THIS IS HOW IT HAS GOTTEN OUT. THROUGH THE PLANTS’ SPORES. WHEW! THIS IS BAD IF MY HYPOTHESIS IS CORRECT. I HAVE SOME FUNNY FEELING WE MIGHT NOT HEAR FROM YOU. DON’T ASK ME WHY, BUT JUST GET THIS FEELING. CERTAINLY HOPE I’M WRONG.

      GOSH, I DID NOT REALIZE THAT I HAVE GONE ON FOR SO LONG HERE, MUST GO NOW. I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU.

      SINCERELY,

      LONDON

    • #33248
      tamtam
      Participant

      Anxiety may heighten the ability to observe: a form of fixation.

      If this includes disturbing sensory perceptions in the form of recurrent irritation or pain a most threatening situation comes into existence as consult for advise results in a form of ex-communication.

      The novel disease that at this moment affects an unprecedented number of people can be compared with the history of Helicobacter Pylori.

      Again:

      A pathogen in the form of a modified micro organism is the cause of a not understood systemic disease that can express itself in the form of sensing polymer (protein) like filaments that e.g grow in and on the skin.

      It are quorum sensing micro organisms that go dormant.
      Quorum sensing is a stem cell like property.

      Such fibers are dominant gene expression (variant) of a fusion between a cyanobacterium and a mayor parasitic protozoa.
      A multiple set dominant gene expression can be found in multiple culture of one strain.

      Reject that relates to plant and insect cell technology as well as mammal and bird like expressions have been recorded.

      The organism represents a stray target of experimental biology class 3.

    • #33256
      Been there
      Participant

      I am very hesitant to speak of this for fear of causing panic. Also, there are those who will do anything to keep knowledge of this from the population of the world.
      However, I am me, I refuse to be intimidated, besides, after the hell I’ve been through, nothing intimidates me. I no longer fear this though I may not survive the day. The question isn’t where is it but rather where isn’t it. In six years of daily observation I have not found one instance where it wasn’t. I am positive it has spread completely, organic, inorganic, nothing is sacred!
      I find it interesting though, go to a physician, don’t say anything other than you are there because and describe one symptom. Act dumb, don’t even think about suggesting what you have. Let the physician do all the talking, answer as brief as possible, if asked if you have noticed any other symptoms, use your own judgement as to what is related to the specific reason for your visit and if it is a logical symptom, mention it, otherwise nota. You will be surprised at the results you get. For some strange reason there are medications that treat the symptoms. Investigate and see how many common medications are now made using bio technology. One indication that you know anything other than your symptom and you will automatically be blacklisted. They know all about this. They also are infested. Well, enough said, this is going to cost me.

    • #33257
      tamtam
      Participant

      keywords: cyanobacterium- polymer

      C&EN: SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY – NATURE’S TINIEST GEOENGINEERS – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
      He suggested that the polymer does so by preferentially binding to and …
      is left after a cyanobacterium undergoes silica biomineralization in the lab. …
      pubs.acs.org/cen/NCW/8142sci1.html – Ähnliche Seiten

    • #33258
      tamtam
      Participant

      Algae as Tools in the Study of Cellulose – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
      Algae as tools in studying the biosynthesis of cellulose, nature’s most abundant
      macromolecule. R. Malcolm Brown, Jr. Department of Botany …
      http://www.botany.utexas.edu/facstaff/ facpages/mbrown/algae/default.htm – 70k – Im Cache – Ähnliche Seiten
      ————————————————————————————————————————

      Microbial Cellulose: RM Brown, Jr. – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
      … most abundant macromolecule on earth. Over 10 11 tons are estimated to be
      synthesized and destroyed annually on earth (Brown, 1979). Cellulose can be …
      http://www.botany.utexas.edu/facstaff/ facpages/mbrown/position1.htm – 30k – Im Cache – Ähnliche Seiten

    • #33268
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi DJ,
      Look, I was not trying to pick holes in your first post, and I apologise if that’s the way it seemed. I was more concerned about Ruth, because I think it took a lot for her to share her experiences, and I would not immediately rule out their veracity, so would not term her in any way irrational, on the basis of her descriptions of the way these fibers would behave. After all, it is not exactly unknown in the world of nature for hyphae (e.g.) to float together, and indeed to communicate via electromagnetic means. The recent literature on patients infected with stealth viruses (which may develop viral or fungal properties) suggests something not dissimilar, and states that movement can occur in response to sound.
      I agree that psychiatry is a branch of medicine, and, (apart from its more esoteric sub-groups, such as psychoanalysis), is most certainly not a ‘soft science’. That is not to say that esotericism such as this is invalid.
      Although psychiatrists are primarily physicians, they are primarily concerned with the diagnosis and treatment of the mentally ill. The facilities, and the up to date knowledge which is required to diagnose and treat a range of highly alarming physical clinical features is not usually available to the psychiatrist. Delusional parasitosis is a diagnosis of exclusion still, and this is an extremely important medico-legal consideration.
      Anyway, sorry if I offended you. These people need help from scientists such as you, so I hope that you will give it.

    • #33269
      tamtam
      Participant

      Informative article about the history of quorum sensing
      Bassler-1970
      bacterial esperanto

      Bugging the Bugs – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]Bassler’s fascination with bacterial communication, quorum sensing, … According to Bassler, targeting quorum sensing would be a radical new antibiotic …
      publications.nigms.nih.gov/findings/oct04/bugging.html – 28k – Im Cache – Ähnliche Seiten

    • #33270
      tamtam
      Participant

      Maybe Ruth has a fine eye for things.

      quorum sensing- micro cystis- goo

      White fluffy floating material that constitutes congregation of a type cyanobacterium on the surface of water. It will unite in plaques and bloom

    • #33279
      London
      Participant

      Hello,

      Thank you………. ” Synechocystis sp. PCC 6803″??????

      Very interesting it is.

      London

    • #33297
      DJ
      Participant

      Well, you didn’t offend me. Just wanted to make sure my previous posts were clear. Also, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the psychiatrist issue.

      As for Morgellons, my interest is definitely peaked. But I would still need to examine a case personally before making any kind of assessment. I’m not a scientist quite yet either, but very close. If I could find someone with Morgellons to observe, this would definitely make a great topic for my upcoming thesis. Plus, it would be beneficial to other suffers so that I could share my findings. In the near future I may ask for volunteers in my area to bring samples or themselves to our labs for questions and observations. I am just as curious about this phenomenon as most of the users of this forum, or else I would have never joined in on the topic.
      Good luck to everyone.

    • #33325
      London
      Participant

      Whatever happened to Jed?

      lONDON

    • #33328
      London
      Participant

      Fusions between several genes and green fluorescent protein show a pulse of expression before each molt in epithelial cells that synthesize the exoskeleton, indicating that the corresponding proteins are made in the correct time and place to regulate molting. We show further that inactivation of particular genes abrogates expression of the green fluorescent protein reporter genes, revealing regulatory networks that might couple the expression of genes essential for molting to endocrine cues. Many molting genes are conserved in parasitic nematodes responsible for human disease, and thus represent attractive targets for pesticide and pharmaceutical development…..I do believe I know what this is all about…..Should I post more??? I’ll be thinking about it.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #33395
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Happy Thanksgiving to all! 😀

      I am so proud of everyone who has contributed to this thread and wish to thank all of you. This is more than I could ever have hoped for and would like to recognize Dr. Martin, Cliff Mickelson, and the people who run this board.

      I honestly don’t get all of this scientific stuff but I’ve been reading right along and love to see brilliant minds at work. And you guys are brilliant!

      Things are already changing. I was officially diagnosed last week with Morgellons by my local Health Department and they are treating me.

      My child is still being refused treatment and all doctors involved seem to be content with this decision despite physical evidence of the Morgellons fibers. He has no chance for professionally monitored treatment until more is known about what this is. My child’s future may be in the hands of one of you reading this thread.

      So, be skeptical, but be open minded. Think critically, this is mandatory. It’s real, don’t waist anymore time.

      I offer my assistance to any researcher in any way I can.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #33407
      AMom
      Participant

      My TRUE story is too long to tell.. But, I have been a member of Morgellons for Three years now.. first dx was that of a Bacterial infect. then Myiasis, Next; Lyme positive, I was also dx with DOP after a derm dr. did a biopsy on one of my many gross volcanic lesions?
      (do dr’s do biopsies on delusions? NOT!)
      I was on abx for 14 months, it took 7 until I came out of the fog. But ALWAYS I have had the fibers come!
      I have kept a journal and they have a cycle to them, in which it is that time of the month now!
      (This is NOT hormonal, I had a complete hysterectomy 10 yrs ago)
      Seven days After the full moon is usually blooming time for many of us.
      I have seen Exactly what others have seen in my environment, and others.. exactly what Tamtam describes- an organism that is in an anorobic state, floating, some look lie a boomarang, and others look like a floating seahorse, but thin as a feather, clear/white.
      We have studied this from all angles, gone round & round as to what this may be?
      I have taken a break from this for a while now, but too many other things have now come up for me to have to get busy again finding help to identify this “Unknown”
      I was dx with Lupus six months ago.. and have been on Plaquenil, and it’s helping me out alot, so I am more active than I had been.
      Dr’s do NOT want to look for the cause of this autoimmune syndrome, and I have been to the finest universities here in my state.
      I am here to say to anyone that does want to investigate this disableing disease, that I am a perfect candidate for your investigation-s.
      I have documented this from the very beginning.. with photo’s of lesions, video tape, ALL my lab results, Dr’s notes, AND.. I have tape recorded ALL my dr’s visit’s.. that includes Infectious disease Dr’s, and Rheumatologist, at two of the biggest Universities here in the mid-west!
      I also have jars filled with samples of what I swab out of all mucous membranes that have grown fungus..
      (NOT ONE of the Drs I saw cared to know what those fibes were, or what kind of fungus was in the jars!)
      QUOTE; from last Rheum Dr.–
      “What is it you want us to do for you?”
      me; “To tell me what this organism is that is in me causing my immune system to work over time?”

      Dr; “We are not concerned with that–We are Clinicians, that is all–think of it like this, your body is a house on fire, and we are the firemen, we put out the fire, and IF you want to know what caused the fire, then you have to go somewhere else to ge those answers”

      Me; But I have been to your Infectious disease dept. and they told me that YOU would be able to look for the answer’s..

      Dr; I don’t beleive they would tell you that…
      ……………………….
      And so this wasn’t the first time this scenerio was played out to me, so I just shut up, got my script for Plaquenil, and will have to wait again for someone who really cares, and wants to know what this Mystery is.
      THEN.. last week I saw a Dr. I haven’t seen in many years, and after telling him and showing him all my papers, he tells me he has been sick, and shows me the lesions on his chest.. now I am examining him, and there’s no doubt he has this too! His lesion looks exactly like what so many of ours did/do!
      I directed him to the Morgellons web-site…
      I have spent years researching this.. and the possibilities of what this is, and where it came from are endless.. I have heard and read it all. from Aliens to Zoonosis, A Parasitical, Bacterial, Fungus, Virus?????
      Now.. I have spent time trying to understand the cells that this organism has disruppted, causing the Auto immune syndrome that EVERYONE around me now has.
      Trying Real hard to seperate the fibers and what my body is doing now, because no one will identify the organism causing the immune system to keep fighting…
      Like triggering the MICROGLIA CELLS to wake up, and excrete the poisons in me.. and destroying so many other cells.
      I guess in conclusion–
      This is a VERY REAL thing going on.. and it’s EVERYWHERE!!!!
      I have lost Everything because of this..”Unknown” like so many others have too!
      Parts of my brain, a hypertrophied heart, Kidney- bladder infections- vision loss, rapid tooth decay, My house, car, any ability to work, and all trust in those I believed in to help, and didn’t!
      Sooo if there is anyone who has the time, and money and wants to KNOW & SEE the truth, well here I am!
      I triple Dog dare you!
      A-Mom

    • #33424
      bugga
      Participant

      To TamTam
      I live in Hawaii and have been reading most of the tales(for want of better term) from everyone. My family has been afflicted with these parasites. My brother has been battling them for about two months or so. Others are showing signs. They don’t live here in Hawaii. These are real, there is no doubt in my mind. You have stated that Lepidoptera is one of the dominant gene inputs. The agriculture industry here uses a spider to combat nematodes, called a box spider. At certain times of the year, they are everywhere.Just out of curiosity, I went online to read about this pest control
      .Seems that Lepidoptera is a common agent. Do you know anything of this.?
      The website that I found some perhaps pertinant info in is “Blackwell’s Synergy.”

    • #33500
      London
      Participant

      TamTam,

      I recently noticed you mentioned Bonnie. Have you had the chance

      to meet her? They say she is something else-hyperkinetic if you will.

      Too bad they would not listen to her years ago. Her discovery sug-

      gest that the ability to create intricate social networks for mutual ben-

      efit was not one of the crowning flourishes in the invention of life.

      It was the first.

      And Tam Tam one last thing, Harveyi? what do you think about

      him? He seems to light up a room when the right kind of people (that’s

      people just like him ) enter the room., does he not?

      Well Tam Tam, I thought maybe you would like to read something more

      Social for a change. Repetion can get stale. I kmow. Oh guess who

      I saw thru the glass the other day? Yes, it was tiny little C.Ellen. She

      looked as though she was smiling at me with those bright red lips and jet

      black eyes. I had to laugh-I had never seen her wearing red lipstick.

      Have a nice day.

      Sincerely, London

    • #33521
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi DJ,
      It is not a question of agreeing to disagree about whether delusional parasitosis is, or is not, a diagnosis of exclusion, and which incidentally can only properly be made by those qualified and skilled in that particular art. These are matters of health care law, not of fanciful conjecture or of individual beliefs or opinion. I actually do not hold a personal opinion one way or another, but I do know what the law underpinning the clinical dianostic practice of delusional parasitosis states, viz. that it is always a diagnosis of exclusion. Therefore it is incorrect to say that a person who believes themselves to be suffering from a parasitical infestation or infection should primarily consult a psychiatrist in order to exclude mental illness. A whole range of physical conditions, which would include, (but not be restricted to), actually having parasites, must be considered by the expert physician in the relevant field first of all. This is important, because some diagnoses require urgent specialist medical treatment. A person may have a serious medical condition which manifests itself by producing intense pruritis (itching), which the patient may wrongly attribute to parasites, e.g. The same applies to those patients who have intense feelings of formication, (an impression of bugs crawling on or under their skin). This may be due to a medical condition, or to some kinds of prescribed medication, or to some types of illicit drug use. Or, the patient may actually be quite right!
      It is only after all of the relevant medical conditions have been ruled out that the physician, (a dermatologist, e.g.), would consider a possible psychiatric referral. If the psychiatrist, after performing a psychiatric assessment, does diagnose delusional parasitosis, he or she may prescribe the drugs you mentioned, viz. pimozide or risperidone, or one which you did not, olanzapine.
      If I state that something is an important medico-legal principle, that is exactly what I mean, in that its observance is crucial and axiomatic to good clinical practice and medical law.
      Definitive diagnosis of any condition cannot take place on line, or in the absence of an examination and assessment by a qualified health care professional. If people have clinical features that would be strongly indicative of this particular condition then they should obviously be advised to consult (in the first instance) not a psychiatrist, but a parasitologist, a specialist dermatologist, or a physician who has professionally published on it and its consequent treatment. They could most certainly make use of Tamtam’s most informative thoughts and request that the doctor prescribe one of the drugs mentioned in this, or in any other recent protocol devised by, e.g. Dr Schwartz.
      I hope that you do, as part of your future scientific career, persuade other scientists in your faculty to analyse the constituent parts of the fibers under question. I dearly hope that many scientific university faculties undertake to do this. safely and effectively, and that curative drug treatments will arise from this.
      However, I do not see how you could offer to examine patients, or come to any assessment of their condition. You are not a medical doctor, and so could have no real understanding of the range of possible differential diagnoses to which I have alluded above. Do you think that any reputable university would allow you to engage in research for which you are manifestly not qualified? Analysing and examining samples from patients is one thing, but examining patients, and pronouncing your assessment of their physical or mental condition, is quite another. The medico-legal fallout from this could be apocalyptic.
      I am not saying that research is not needed, but any proposal involving examining sick patients would surely have to include input from interested physicians if it is to have any hope of being both ethically and legally approved by the appropriate committee.

    • #33524
      DJ
      Participant

      @ Cilla:

      I thought at first you were half-way intelligent, but you seem to be so dense that any point I try to make, clarify, then RE-MAKE, completely flies over your head, while you insist on arguing with me about matters that are completely non-argumentative in nature. I can’t believe
      you would waste that much time writing a response to my previous posts that one: you obviously had not grasped the concept of its meaning in the first place, and two: you are responding, agreeing with points I made previously as a means of counter-argument!!!! If I had known that this was your mentality, I would have never wasted my time in the first place.

      And where the hell did I say I was going to make some kind of diagnosis of a patient’s mental or physical illness if they came to see me? I am also completely qualified to take samples and make observations, and I never said I was going to assess someone’s mental condition!!! This is crazy.

      If anyone else would like to talk this over with me, feel free to ask questions, but not Cilla because it seems to be a waste of time. I am here to offer my help. But, if you are unable to listen to reason and understand my motives because of some kind of defensive behavior or, I don’t know what, then I can’t do anything to try and help you.

    • #33551
      Been there
      Participant

      Stealth Proteins: In Silico Identification of a Novel Protein Family Rendering Bacterial Pathogens Invisible to Host Immune Defense
      Peter Sperisen1 , Christoph D. Schmid1, Philipp Bucher1,2*, Olav Zilian2

      http://compbiol.plosjournals.org/perlse … %2E0010063

      I believe this is the proper forum for this considering the current topic.

    • #33552
      Skytroll
      Participant

      squirrel pox, fox pox,

      s

    • #33578
      Been there
      Participant
      quote tamtam:

      Maybe Ruth has a fine eye for things.

      quorum sensing- micro cystis- goo

      White fluffy floating material that constitutes congregation of a type cyanobacterium on the surface of water. It will unite in plaques and bloom


      Attachments:

    • #33695
      FiberSymptoms
      Participant

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    • #33700
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Bacteria Can Take Pictures of Themselves

      By PAUL ELIAS, AP Biotechnology Writer
      Wed Nov 23, 3:40 PM ET

      http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051123/ap_ … erial_film

      SAN FRANCISCO – The notorious E. coli bug made its film debut Wednesday. That’s when researchers at the University of California, San Francisco and the University of Texas announced in the journal Nature that they had created photographs of themselves by programming the bacteria — best known for outbreaks of food poisoning — to make pictures in much the same way Kodak film produces images.

      ADVERTISEMENT

      It’s the latest advance in “synthetic biology,” a disputed research movement launched largely by engineers and chemists bent on genetically manipulating microscopic bugs into acting like tiny machines, creating new, powerful and inexpensive ways to make drugs, plastics and even alternatives to fossil fuel.

      The field seeks to go beyond traditional genetic engineering feats where a single gene is spliced into bacteria and other cells to manufacture drugs. Synthetic biologists are trying to create complex systems that function as logically and reliably as computers.

      Mainstream biologists, however, scoff that biology — life itself — is too unpredictable and prone to genetic mutation to understand, let alone tame and turn into miniature factories.

      Bioethicists, meanwhile, fret that synthetic biologists are attempting to create new living creatures and are inventing technology that can readily be used by terrorists.

      Still, a growing number of engineers are jumping into the nascent field, whose chief goals include breaking down microbes and other living things into smaller components and reassembling those parts into useful machines.

      “There is kind of a hacker culture behind all of this,” said Chris Voigt, a University of California, San Francisco researcher who, at 29, was the senior author on the bacteria-as-film paper in Nature.

      Voigt and colleagues took from algae light-sensitive genes that emit black compounds and spliced them into a batch of E. coli bacteria. The organisms were then spread on a petri dish that resembles a cookie sheet and placed in an incubator. A high-powered projector cast photographic images of the researchers through a hole on top of the incubator, exposing some of the bacteria to light.

      The result: Ghostly images like traditional black-and-white photographs of the researchers responsible for the invention, at a resolution Voigt said was about 100 megapixels, or 10 times sharper than high-end printers.

      The work, though, isn’t intended for commercial markets.

      “They aren’t going to put Kodak out of business any time soon,” said Massachusetts Institute of Technology researcher Drew Endy, a leading synthetic biologist.

      Instead, the creation will be used as a sensor to start and stop more complex genetic engineering experiments. The idea is to create a genetically engineered cell that lays dormant until a laser is shined on it, prompting it into action.

      Such an accomplishment would add to the growing success of a field that is making strides around the world, in such projects as:

      _Scientists in Israel made the world’s smallest computer by engineering DNA to carry out mathematical functions.

      _J. Craig Venter, the entrepreneurial scientist who mapped the human genome and launched the Rockville, Md.-based research institute named after himself, is attempting to create novel organisms that can produce alternative fuels.

      _With a $42.6 million grant that originated at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Berkeley researchers are engineering the E. coli bug with genes from the wormwood plant and yeast to create a new malaria drug.

      Even as they wrestle with scientific hurdles like controlling genetic mutations, thorny ethical issues are cropping up.

      It’s cheap and easy to buy individual genes online. They cost about $1 each, down from the $18 apiece charged just a few years ago. Researchers last year created a synthetic polio virus by simply stitching together these mail-order genes.

      National security experts and even synthetic biologists themselves are concerned that rogue scientists could create new biological weapons — like deadly viruses that lack natural foes. They also worry about innocent mistakes: organisms that could potentially create havoc if allowed to reproduce outside the lab.

      Researchers are casting about for ways to self-police the field before it really takes off. Leaders in the field have organized a second national conference to grapple with these issues this coming May and the Arthur P. Sloan Foundation in June handed out a $570,000 grant to study the social implications of the new field.

      “This is powerful work and we live in an age that many tools and technologies can be turned into weaponry,” said Laurie Zoloth, a bioethicist at Northwestern University. “You always have the problem of dual-use in every new technology. Steel can be used to make sewing needles or spears.”

      Can anyone here recommend a synthetic biologist that I could consult with? 😕

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #33729
      C3
      Participant

      About questions:

      Hawaii and spider boxes?
      Not very likely. Many insects can transmit infectious agents and this is one of the reasons why insect cell technology has become so important.

      London is prestigious but confuses other readers.
      Knowing Bonnie Bassler?: indeed I am not a molecular biologist.
      Harveyi? that is a fusion between Houston based lyme buster dr. Harvey, luciferase and an auto inducer in the form of vibrio. Earlier I mentioned that vibrio can be (omni)present.

      c. ellen and lip stick?
      It sounds you make the statement that in vitro chlorella seems to have obtained properties of rhodophyta.

      Not too bad!

      E. coli?
      keep this one very good in mind.
      deduct introductions after 1980
      this could yield also e.g enterococcus faecalis.

      tamtam advises everybody to have a look at the video that has been made available by the courtesy of first officer in the field “southcity”
      His gallery of lesions is pretty consistent.

      A few pages back you can click to see the video:

      http://www.crossinglines.net/The%20caus … efault.htm

      copy the video!

    • #33780
      London
      Participant

      That is correct C-3 in regards to two of your statements. Would you care to meet for lunch?

      There is a reasoning behind confusion. Was trying to be politically correct and not upset/say too much for the sake of a frequent poster here.

      The other being her and the red-lipstick. I would like very much to try that product but I’m afraid it will upset her, thus causing me even more pain and affliction. Could you possibly comment on this aspect if known?
      I believe stress exposure (re: protein complement of the cell) begins to denature if you will, and also aggregates it. The increase in the expressions of chaperones during infection identifies this. What do you think?

      Scientist dream of wiping out World Hunger. I do believe this is what it is all about, is it not?

      My what a tangled web someone has weaved. Is it all about the money?
      Or is there someone kind out there with a posssible cure?

      I don’t think I will eat olives ever again although they are delicious. I’m beginning to believe the same goes for apples. Too bad it’s in the water system as well. One has to suspect the Mississippi River to be a carrier.

      This is beginning to model the begiining of Life. Remeber Einstein and “cosmologicl constant?” oh how I wish I would’ve examined the originals of some of his work. They had them on display in the house where he lived in his young adult life. It used to be open to the public. It was in the city of Berne (Switzerland). Some of us were born with certain genes that have the possibility to take one where others cannot go. I would prefer not to go there myself but I do not prefer
      the fiber disease route either. At least the scientist should not have skimped on the Lysergic Acid to such a degree. I would still like to have that ability of laughter. It was stolen from me though. All at the expense of money. The pharmecuetical Co’s, the Researchers, The Companies that produce it and of course Government.

      It was a pleasure to hear from you C-3. .

      And Been There,
      Thank you for sharing all of that. I like what you say.

      London

    • #33781
      London
      Participant

      Dear Fiber Symptoms,

      Thank you for a great article.

    • #33792
      tamtam
      Participant

      //////////////////forward/////////////////

    • #33806
      London
      Participant

      One of it’s reciprical acting diversications is the maddening aspect. Wonder how many possibilities?

      I do believe I have found a match for this ailment you so describe. But
      the parasite….can it quickly change/morph into appearing like something else? If that answer is no then I believe it must be in the sex of worm that cuases it to attract different organisms.

      Tam Tam what makes the human waste look so strange, how can this possibly be?

      Would you like to have lunch oneday?

      London

    • #33807
      J Jill
      Participant

      http://www.nosprayzone.org/pesticides/btk.html

      Snippets:

      This study shows that Bt can and does infect humans via inhalation. The infections are asymptomatic in healthy individuals and last at least for a few months. The immune responses noted are a little disturbing because not only will some people develop allergies to Bt, but there is some evidence that chronic diseases such as Gulf War syndrome, fibromyalgia, MCS, rheumatoid arthritis, and other autoimmune diseases may be partly caused by these “subclinical” infections by organisms heretofore considered to be harmless.

      Immune responses in farm workers after exposure to Bacillus thuringiensis pesticides

      Bernstein IL, Bernstein JA, Miller M, Tierzieva S, Bernstein DI, Lummus Z, Selgrade MK, Doerfler DL, Seligy VL Division of Immunology, Department of Internal Medicine, University of Cincinnati College of Medicine, Cincinnati, Ohio, USA. [email protected]

      Environ Health Perspect 1999 Jul;107(7):575-82

      **

      Remarkably, it appears that the ubiquitous soil-living bacterium and occasional food-poisoning culprit Bacillus cereus, the widely used insect biocontrol pathogen Bacillus thuringiensis,

      and the life-threatening biological warfare agent Bacillus anthracis* are the same species,

      (*ANTHRAX)

      despite the striking differences in phenotype. The secret appears to lie in the plasmids harboured by B. anthracis and B. thuringiensis. When ten B. cereus-like strains were isolated for biochemical and genetic analysis from soil taken from anthrax outbreak sites, they were found by Helgason et al. to have the same chromosomal marker as the implicated B. anthracis strains, but no plasmids.

      ***

      It looks like Bt can actually survive in the gut of a human and set up residence there also.

      End Snippets

    • #33812
      London
      Participant

      Bt is most def. involved. Scientist use this when cloning.

      London

    • #33907
      GregV
      Participant

      Go to this link at MorgellonsUSA.com
      http:www.morgellonsusa.com
      Enter sight and go to page 6.

      The various organisms, mostly brushed out of the body with a medium/hard bristle handbrush,….
      Some are bird like, wings, some are sea creature, squid like,…..

      The large white globular organism with like wings, I zoomed in on a dark spot, which turned out to be what appears to be a parasitic mouth shot over and over, one image depicts the blue Fibers growing within this white Creature,………

      At least one other of these specimens on this page has a mouth also.

      The Darkly brown colored organism with the eggs attatched to like tentacles was in a stool sample floating on the top of the water.
      This was with what was called Cyst-like Organisms in stool water on the 4’th page all along the top of the page. How do these relate to this organism?

      Morgellons largely likes hair follicles, so as far as these creatures, long and segmented often, wormlike in appearance, braided at times, perhaps finally forming into Fiber links, …
      How could these grow in the intestinal tract or liver perhaps?
      How are these possible? What is your take on this?

      I had always thouught that this Disease started from the inside out? Could this be wrong?

    • #33908
      GregV
      Participant
    • #33914
      C3
      Participant

      All You mention is part of the differential.

      Main element is a coccidioid/ coccoid element.
      Not cyano, not mayor parasitic protozoa but a fusion; and this fusion will differentiate in a set commensal resembling micro organisms including vibrio.

      All must carry a different chromosome.

      One will become more than one.
      More than one can become one

      We deal with stem cell that represent multiple kingdom

      bacterial like
      parasitic protozoa like
      plant like
      insect like
      bird like
      mammal like

      This element may turn out to be:

      Airborne
      Waterborne
      Community acquired
      Vector and vector in vector transmitted(…)

      Example of its quorum sensing nature is given in the form of video footage.
      Shown is a multi nucleated giant cell that represents its base line.

      This does not indicate you will find this element on e.g skin,

      “Although this element will speak the same language as other members of the tribe”

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #33937
      C3
      Participant

      reference: Harmfull algae

      SWBIC Summer Workshops 1998 / Blooming Algae
      Algae blooms occur all over the world. Unlike plants, algae blooms do not …
      What are algae blooms? Algae blooms are population explosions of algae that …
      http://www.swbic.org/education/workshops/ microbes/classify/life/algae2.html – 6k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #33938
      C3
      Participant

      errata: harmful algae

    • #33993
      skinmystic
      Participant

      Sabrina, Thanks for spreading around this info. I am suffering for 2 yrs now and don’t see an end to it. Mucho sympathy!!!

      Are you working with Dr. Schwartz?

    • #33995
      showmeproof
      Participant

      I agree with Dr. Swartz. I have watched the video many times and while the video and photography are very good, without any data or proof of scientific analysis, one must simply conclude that all you have shown is some very pretty pictures. without the data it means NOTHING, nothing more than some good pictures, which others have also taken by the way. perhaps not so clear, but the same none the less. WHY IS YOUR THEORY ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OF THEIRS. without proof it isn’t. without proof and data it is empty words with no merit. Where is the DATA, without it your words mean nothing except to those that WANT to believe you. without proof or hard data your words are the same as your claimed credentials. which you have given NONE of. give some substance or please stop with your mockery and amusment at those who suffer from this expense. enough games, it’s time to put up or shut up.

    • #33999
      Michelle
      Participant
      quote DJ:

      Also, are there any accredited studies that I can look at of research pertaining to pathogens, patients, or fiber/speck samples from a Morgellons sufferer? Thanks in advance.

      Here’s a study published in the New York Journel of Entomology:
      http://www.headlice.org/report/research/index.html

      here is a recent press release:
      http://www.headlice.org/news/2005/augus … _havoc.htm

      Most people do not want to accept the NPA’s findings for reasons unbeknownst to me (maybe them too). BUT it is the only scientific study conducted on sufferers of this disease. and yes this is all one disease..morgellons etc…it’s the same thing. As of yet, nobody has been able to prove the NPA wrong. People with influence over a majority of these sufferers can make unsubstatiated statements, spread nasty rumors and out and out lies about the NPA and their study, but nobody can actually prove them wrong, cuz they can’t. It’s all politics…
      It’s unfortunate and pathetic that sufferers themselves are not willing to support the study, they’re just prolonging their own suffering by doing so.
      The NPA has been consistent in their findings, and continue to be consistent. There have also been several reports or papers written over the past century about collembola infestations. I find it hard to believe all of these scientists are all making the same mistakes.
      Even now, entomologists are finding collembola in people’s skin scrapings but they attribute these findings to “poor hygiene” or “domestic infestations” or “contamination of samples either accidentally or (impossibly because of this particular collembola’s minute size) on purpose.” What needs to happen is for entomologists to get past this juncture, basically, then more research can be conducted and perhaps some sort of cure will follow.
      Historically, most medical or scientific discoveries were scoffed at when they were first introduced. For example, Louis Pasteur was laughed at when he proposed that microbes can cause disease. But now we know differently. This is exactly what the NPA has had to go through over the past few years.

    • #34001
      GregV
      Participant

      Dr. Schwartz does not have a firm belief. I am very cordial with Dr. Schwartz, I spoke to him the other day, and he knows me well.
      He has NO FIRM BELIEF!
      He does not believe THIS yet that has been discussed on this forum.
      But I have FIRST MADE HIM AWARE OF THIS TOPIC!
      It wasn’t until about 2 months ago perhaps that he even thought a Parasite was related to this.
      He was holding onto the 1 Culture that he had taken in February. I know of a Patient who saw him personally, “from California” who tried to convince him that she had Parasites and he did not believe her. Now he does. Don’t be so firm on things that you don’t know what it is that you are talking about.

      Truly Dr. Schwartz has not so much been as interested in finding out the true cause of this, as he has been of trying to find out how to treat it by trial and error, and he is still experimenting in that mode.
      I am not discrediting him in any way, for any reason, he has made this Disease his life, and has helped many of us including me myself.

      Perhaps some have developed Colembolla Infections, but if they have what I have It is not the base cause.

      My catalog of Images is one of the most quantitive that has ever been exposed publicly. Nobody has shown yet some of the organism varieties and forms that I have at my sight. There are Many forms of Parasitic Organisms Never Viewed Before at MorgellonsUSA.com
      And some think they are a bird, some think they are a squid, some think they are an insect, (These are only the Pictures that I have SHOWN on the sight, there are many, many, many…….)

      As many have already stated, and TamTam has explained in graphic details how,
      COLLEMBOLA DOES NOT EXPLAIN THIS DISEASE!!!

      I have spent almost a year Researching this by Actual Eye Contact, and I have the Images to PROVE THE NPA WRONG!
      So how does that tickle your fancy? Open up your Mind, you’ve shut it down and closed it up to be able to understand knowledge.
      I’ve never been to college, and I can SEE what these Educated Professionals are speaking of

    • #34002
      GregV
      Participant

      When I say this, I have to study what they say indeed, but I am slowly following along……

      Whoever stated that this is Gibberish apparently has done the same…

    • #34006
      London
      Participant

      TamTam

      Are they not trying to use this cell-wall deficient bacteria to treat basal
      cell carcinomas.

      I do believe I observed the stromatolitic microbial mat community when I was foraging for things while diving in the ocean. Could you be so kind as to tell me if this is correct?

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34035
      London
      Participant

      This is a “Type III Secretion”

      Enterobacteriaceae

      Biofilm formation by Gram(-) motile rods such as Escherichia coli, Vibrio cholerae and Pseudomonas aeruginosa (all from the gamma proteobacterial branch)

      Instant Pathenogens: Shigella dysenteriae (5), Yersinia pestis (6), Mycobacterium tuberculosis (7) and may be indeed, as suggested above, V. cholerae.

      Recombinant Y. pseudotuberculosis can secrete and even deliver ExoS into HeLa cells, just like YopE. Y. pseudotuberculosis can also secrete IpaB from S. flexneri and S. typhimurium can secrete YopE.

      And cant forget the bezines can we?….-very toxiokinetic, if you will.
      Subject ALKALI METAL COMPOUNDS;CARBONACEOUS MATERIALS;CHALCOGENIDES;COAL;ENERGY SOURCES;FOSSIL FUELS;FUELS;HYDROGEN COMPOUNDS;HYDROXIDES;INORGANIC ACIDS;MINERALS;OXIDES;OXYGEN COMPOUNDS;PETROLEUM PRODUCTS;PROCESSING;REACTOR MATERIALS;SODIUM COMPOUNDS;SULFUR COMPOUNDS;SULFUR OXIDES

      Nonsocomial infections: wow, these can include so much.Enterococcus faecalis.

      How about:
      Lactobacillus and Streptococcus??? Oh how they have run rampant.

      But let’s take a look at these..Tam Tam, I hope your
      with me. I do like your feedback. First let’s look at:

      ************Prototheca wickerhamii**************

      Prototheca is an achlorophyllic mutant of the green alga Chlorella.

      And this brings me to my favorite: WOOD & CELLULOSE the building blocks
      For chemicals.

      Cellulose derivatives are use in many of the makings of pharmaceuticals. They do this by washing the wood.

      “What has been the role of major U.S. foundations in supporting the implementation of Agenda 21 and in financing key sustainable development projects in the United States and around the world?”

      hmmm…..Money is not at the root of all evil but the damn Rice plant is….Arabidopsis!!! I nearly go blind when I eat rice. They want to run the world off this plant. World hunger,fuels…you name it. They even used a Human Liver Gene.

      and now the Replication of Norovirus murine norovirus 1(MNV-1) that should have stayed on the cruiseships.

      Must run for now. I will return with later in a couple of hours. Again,
      C-3/ TamTam…can you tell me if I’m on track?

      And oh my-those carboxymethlylated fibers hurt me!! They are in a lot of womens feminine products and now even in diapers. Those poor babies.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34055
      tamtam
      Participant

      London,

      The art is in excluding, not including.
      Basal? I think this connection is correct but also a rather basal conclusion

      Think about somatic cell nuclear transfer for a moment.
      What does infect, if all looks so natural.
      You put me to work.

      I like to remind You that I have a blue print in front of me and not result of multiple screening.

      Multi nucleated cell type langerhans and what next?

      In fact You look at things not very known to most microbiologists.
      Fission and multi lineage differentiation is key.
      Pathway thus systematic.

      Dr. Schwartz protocol is rather right except that prototheca is not very well covered, maybe better opt for amikacine.

      C3 ?

      If C represents cyano
      What could represent 3 ?

      Think about Blake and a hawling rose.

    • #34090
      London
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      Can I “BUY”$$$ the answer??

      Will report in later. So far it runs the gamut. Except for sister Rose….:
      *Rosettes*
      Caulonema cell at the tip of Funaria: freeze fracture of the plasma membrane. The protein molecules are partially arranged in rosettes. It is likely that these aggregates are a component of the cellulose synthethase complex (E. SCHNEPF,1986). The rosettes are thought to spin out
      cellulose microfibrils while moving through the plant plasma
      membrane. The diagram is simplified in that about six cellulose
      polymers must emerge in association with each rosette particle.
      In this way, thirty-six polymers can be synthesized in close
      proximity and co-crystalize into one microfibril.

      J.Blake?

      How about apopstosis?? Cell Death? The environment required to be healthy is quite lonely.

      Still unsure of answer for C-3: many deductions take time.

      Dimensions are 3.

      Could you be so kind to extrapolate information that you may have regarding the parasite? C-E-is this because of smell or b/c of blueprint?

      Blueprint should be shared. Do you have this disease or do you have the blueprint? Guesstimate the % of world’s population currently being effected by this please.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34094
      yyz
      Participant
    • #34097
      yyz
      Participant

      trichoid, a. hair-like. trichology, n. study of hair. trichome, n. hair-like outgrowth on the surface of a plant. trichosis n. any disease of the hair.

    • #34119
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Volvox?

      skytroll

    • #34120
      tamtam
      Participant

      That may again relate to a gene that codes for mold in e.g a nematode etc.

      The article about cellulose brought already terminal complex.

      Sleep and repeat number 3

    • #34122
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi DJ,

      You said:

      ‘I am also completely qualified to take samples and make observations, and I never said I was going to assess someone’s mental condition!!! This is crazy.’

      I agree that scientists within a laboratory are qualified to receive samples that have been delivered to them by, e.g. the referring health care professional. They are then qualified to make observations on the samples, and subsequently to send a report on their findings back to the referring physician, or other health care professional.

      You stated, in the post to which I was referring, that you wanted the patients themselves to visit you with their samples, and you would then make an assessment. You also wished one patient, who feels that they have this disease, to liaise with you, as their ongoing condition would augment your thesis, as you are not yet fully qualified.

      I said that no reputable university would condone this, because you are unqualified, because the nature of this disease is as yet unknown, and because patients with such horrific clinical features need to be examined and treated by a physician.

      Obviously, research is required, and I think that Skytroll is absolutely on the money when she suggests that scientists such as yourself should liaise with the Morgellons Research Foundation.

      I think that you are open minded enough to see that there may well be a lot of truth behind the facts stated by the individuals who have opened their lives on this, and on other related websites. I am very glad about this, because research input from scientists is urgently required.

      One thing I would say regarding your protestation about not assessing another’s mental condition is that you already did so in an earlier post when you said that Ruth’s account of her moth experience could not have come from a person who had a rational mind. You in fact advised her to consult a psychiatrist to exclude mental illness. You have yet to apologize, which I find sad, especially when subsequent posts, including one from the obviously highly knowledgeable Tamtam, have demonstrated that her account could well not only be true, but actually based upon her fine eye for detail.

      Can you not imagine how Ruth must feel? This disease is dreadful, and people are suffering terribly. The things that seem to emerge from these sores, and the impact of apparently multiple squirming parasites, are so horrible and draining on the health of the affected individual that they almost defy belief. It is no exaggeration to say that their lives are in danger of being destroyed. The presenting clinical features are weird, and beyond anything ever seen by doctors before. This does not make them untrue.

      In the past, patients suffering from particularly debilitating infectious diseases, such as pulmonary tuberculosis, were treated well.

      I do not see much evidence of patients with the fiber disease, who are just as, if not more so, debilitated, being treated well at all. I think it is sheer evil if health care professionals choose not to listen to the patient’s account of what is happening to their own bodies, and instead plump too quickly to a diagnosis of delusional parasitosis. Such a diagnosis can have devastating effects on a person’s life, quite apart from the fact that they are still not receiving treatment for the actual condition they have.

      Individuals like Tamtam should receive a medal. He is courageous enough to speak out, although I have a feeling that he has not yet divulged everything.

      Thank God for the internet, and sites such as this. Had this happened, say twenty or thirty years ago, people would be isolated and very unsure about what might be wrong with them. People used to be much more cowed, and overly respectful of the medical profession. Not any more. People, such as the ones on this site, are not going to give up until a cure is found. More power to them.

    • #34123
      Skytroll
      Participant

      silica, nanowires, buckyballs

      s

    • #34129
      Skytroll
      Participant

      fibritin, fibrils, foo

      s

    • #34130
      Skytroll
      Participant

      red algae, zebra mussels

      s

    • #34131
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Aliens in the waters.

      s

    • #34132
      yyz
      Participant
    • #34150
      London
      Participant

      Very aware of Trichoid hair-they concentrate on the appendages. Had learned of this a while back from Mr. Merritt of Queensland.

      and…..K + flow Inward into the dendrite depolarizes the cell. Active potentials involve voltage-gated SODIUM CHANNELS.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34151
      London
      Participant

      We’re not going to take the chemtrail route are we? OR are we?

      Clusters of 4? or shall I say formation = square?

      I know about the warehouse in Glascow.

      Scaling anyone?

      I have seen the Rotifers. What about Mr. Duffy TamTam? What do you say about his antigens?

      Again, had already posted about sporotrichosis……SAPROPHYTIC PLANTS ….
      SEE:http://www.botgard.ucla.edu/html/botanytextbooks/lifeforms/saprophyticplants/

      Fungi that are saprophytic normally cause subcutaneous infections…these fungi often change their physiology and morphology-often growing as yeast-like single cells instead of filaments to aACCLIMATIZE to life in their host.
      When the fungus starts to grow the host’s cell often respond by dividing rapidly resulting in warts and tumors. Yeast like cells can be spread thru the lypmphatic system.

      Cortical Microtubuli

      Cortical microtubuli in elongated plant cells. The microtubuli are labelled with indirect immunofluorescence. The pattern of orientation of the microtubuli correlates with the arrangement of the cell wall’s cellulose fibrils. a: microtubuli in a meristematic cell of Allium (photo by L. CLAYTON and C. W. LLOYD, 1985). b: microtubuli within an apical protonema cell of Physcomitrella patens (J. H. DOONAN, D. J. COVE and C. W. LLOYD, 1985)

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34163
      London
      Participant

      TamTam,

      Would you be so kind to exclude the gyrA muations if they’re not relevant? I’m stuck on them at the moment.

      Also the Rx Carrinsyn? what do you think?

      THE EFFECT OF CARRISYN ® ON THE IMMUNE SYSTEM.
      J. Measel and D. Denham (Spon: L. Allen). May 1998.

      Carrisyn ® is a polysaccharide purified from the Aloe vera plant. The plant has been used as a medicine in treatment of burns. Initial experiments used murine spleen cells from BALB/c mice stimulated with Con A and/or Carrisyn ® . Radioactive counts and visual counts indicated that Carrisyn ® had a direct mitogenic effect on macrophages. Subsequently, a murine model using tumor target cells and macrophages stimulated with Carrisyn ® was utilized. Release of Cr 51 from labeled target cells was assessed. The results indicate that Carrisyn ® activated macrophages are upwards of 10 times more effective in non-specific lysis of tumor cells than non-stimulated controls. The effect of complement or non-specific antibody did not increase this phagocytosis. The results indicate that Carrisyn ® is a non-specific immune modulator which may be useful in the non-specific enhancement of macrophage.

      Still searching the 3’s but I think I have 3 good ones. Still searching. Are you thinking about the offer?

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34165
      krisb
      Participant

      Hi Sabrina and Tamtam, thank you for your postings. I do test positive for Lyme and have been treated with antibiotics with no result. I have the Morgellons skin rash and itching and also itching in my nose with brown sediment growing on the back of my throat (feels like hairs on back of throat). My children and I got this back in January after a lice infection. We are all miserable and frightened. The skin rashes and loss of hair is depressing. We are desperate for a cure. Could you please share with me anything that you have found that has been helpful–I am fearful the hair loss will be permanent. I am most frightened for my children (ages 8 and 13). Thank you, Kris

    • #34167
      southcity
      Participant

      London, hi how are you. Could you tell me more about the warehouse in glascow.. I believe you are on to something. Caledonian is perhaps more specific? Just a hunch. definitely would like to know your train of thought here.. Thanks in advance.

      Southcity

      quote=”London”]We’re not going to take the chemtrail route are we? OR are we?

      Clusters of 4? or shall I say formation = square?

      I know about the warehouse in Glascow.

      Scaling anyone?

      I have seen the Rotifers. What about Mr. Duffy TamTam? What do you say about his antigens?

      Again, had already posted about sporotrichosis……SAPROPHYTIC PLANTS ….
      SEE:http://www.botgard.ucla.edu/html/botanytextbooks/lifeforms/saprophyticplants/

    • #34191
      Skytroll
      Participant

      going back to school

      such a fool

      will learn to be cool

      s

    • #34215
      London
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      After much ado, I’m going to say the C-3 is THREE types
      of Cyanobacteria.
      C-7 would have been more appropriate. Found quite a few and you know what? They look just like the fiber balls, the green “alive-looking” grass blades and even the Chitin. BUT THEY ARE NOT CHITAN-THEY ARE LICHEN
      Earlier last evening I found an oblong piece ofl LICHEN on the floor. When I viewed it I was quite surprised to see a mouth/eyes and two red
      antennas?. The heat of the light bulb made it begin to melt. I had never seen this shape of Chitan before now-only the “pepper-looking ones”, and certainly not one that had a face.

      Now guess what I found? (NOTE: do not know if photo will come through)

      lLICHEN
      Lichens also have diminutive animals living on their surface. The most remarkable are tardigrades, minute creatures that belong to their own Phylum Tardigrada. Tardigrades are only about .25 mm long (1/100 of an inch). Although they are fairly common on mosses and certain lichens, they are rarely seen. They are called “water bears” because of their peculiar fat body with stubby legs bearing claws at the tips. When lichens become desiccated and dormant during drought periods, the tardigrades also go into a stage of suspended animation known as anabiosis. They pull in their legs, lose water, and roll up into a ball. When moisture is available again, the tardigrades swell and become active within a few hours. There are records of tardigrades emerging from a state of anabiosis lasting seven years.

      Minute tardigrades (Phylum Tardigrada) are only about 0.25 mm long (1/100 of an inch). Although they are fairly common on mosses and lichens, they are rarely seen. They are called “water bears” because of their fat body with stubby legs bearing claws at the tips. The following illustration was enhanced from this photograph to show the legs and claws.
      An illustration of a tardigrade that was enhanced from the above photograph to show the legs and claws.

      Microscopic examination reveals that lichens are really fungi containing photosynthetic algal cells. In fact, they are called “lichenized fungi” by mycologists (people who study fungi). The lichen body is called a thallus, and is composed of intertwined fungal filaments. Lichens are conveniently grouped into 3 characteristic growth forms. Foliose lichens have a leaf-like or lobed thallus, loosely attached to the substrate by root-like rhizines or by a central stalk-like umbilicus. Fruticose lichens have an intricately branched upright or pendulous thallus. Crustose lichens are low-growing, with the entire thallus firmly attached to the rock or other substrate. The thallus of crustose lichens may be squamulose (composed of crowded, overlapping scales) or areolate (cracked into numerous angular sections like a dried lake bed).

      The cyano are : :** Mixture of Cyanobacteria from microbial mat community. The type I posted to you the other day.
      ** Unidentified filament. Is it made of diatoms, desmids, cyanobacteria, or the unknown?
      ** Planktothrix agardhii with a swollen terminal cell. I believe that the swollen terminal cells are fungal (chytrid) fruiting bodies (sporangia) as hyphae have been observed running the length of similar trichomes.

      Tam Tam,
      I have more but wanted your guidance as whether this is correct OR must I deduce
      Them?

      One last thing I would like to share is the strangest flying object even though I know
      I will deduct it is:

      Whirling Nut (Gyrocarpus) Flying through the air is another effective adaptation for fruit and seed dispersal by plants. Airborne seeds have several ingenious methods of flying through the air, including whirling like a helicopter, gliding, and floating like miniature parachutes with tufts of fine hairs. Of all the types of “helicopter seeds,” those of Gyrocarpus are the most remarkable.

      Again, Sorry I do not know how to correctly post pictures.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34217
      GregV
      Participant

      I’ve often wondered where my personal infections hay have come from, No clue? Gone back and forth.
      But my father was a Sub-Base Military man, as a child I started school in Danoon, Scotland (hope I spelled it right).
      I was in Groton, Connecticut by New London about the time Lyme started to unfold.
      Bullseye rash on stamach back then, (no-one knew what Lyme was then).
      other places
      Norfolk, West Virginia……….., Charlston, South Carolina, spent one or 2 weeks in Ontario Canada, but the rest of time in San Diego,CA
      Born with Legperthese, (I know I messed that one up) a right hip, hole in it, so called miraculously filled in, but follow up and x-rays every 6 months till age 9 at these various Sub-base city military hospitals.

      Sincerely,

      Greg

    • #34218
      London
      Participant

      Skytroll

      I know you did not ask me but I wanted to share this with you…….

      Bacteria which sense the Earth’s magnetic field

      Max Planck researchers uncover how a nanoscale ‘compass’ inside bacteria orients them to the Earth’s magnetic field
      The entire bacterium is oriented like a compass needle inside the magnetic field. Until now, it was not clear how the cells organise magnetosomes into a stable chain, against their physical tendency to collapse by magnetic attraction. But using modern molecular-genetic and imaging processes, researchers from the Max Planck Institue for Marine Microbiology in Bremen and Max Planck Institute of Biochemistry in Martinsried, Germany have identified the protein responsible for creating the magnetosome chain. The scientists showed that this protein aligns the magnetosomes along a cytoskeletal structure which was previously unknown. This points to evidence that genetics regulate the magnetosome chain exactly. The structure is one of the most complex that has ever been found in bacterial cells. It is comparable to organelles that, until now, scientists had only been familiar with in higher organisms.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34220
      GregV
      Participant

      I’ve often wanted to respond to thes statements…

      What are your Credentials? Tell us who you are? Hugh? You offer no proof? Put up or shut up!!!

      Every time these gifted people speak they tell you WHO THEY ARE.
      They tell their credentials, and have put up.

      Thanks so much to all of you,
      Greg

    • #34226
      Been there
      Participant

      My Son just sent me this link. He has this disease, is in denial. He sleeps with a mask, I noted last week he has nose bridge is thickened considerably by the false skin. I mentioned it and he became angry. I hope this indicates he is reading the literature.
      http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/ … /7429/1430
      On another note, Londen, you asked about how many may might have this.
      On Easter Sunday,my wife, three grown children and their mates, five grandchildren and I met at a large cafateria. It uses heat lamps for food warming, many of them one over every hot food item. I noticed white flakes flying by me, I turned and looked back, there were maybe 50 behind us, the flakes were flying from everyone in the line. I pointed it out to my family. They ignored it. All but on 16 year old grandaughter think I am insane in believing this. From seeing the flakes, heading towards the IR, fast, with a purpose, I can only assume 100% is possible.

    • #34234
      GregV
      Participant

      In response to “I’ve always wanter to respond to these statements”
      I’d like to clarify
      I was not asking those questions to TamTam, London, and all wondering.

      I was referring to the others who made such comments, questions, and provoking propaganda from the previous pages of the discussion.

      Sorry for not being more clear
      Sincerely,
      Greg

    • #34237
      London
      Participant

      Been There,

      I believe you. I saw where you had posted about IR a while back. But I just don’t understand that part of it. I learned a lot from your other post.
      Have you yourself tried the pan of water under your bed like your mother used to do?

      and Been There, what is your take on the IR?

      Thank you. The photos were really good too.

      Duh… Hey Been there, Okay, I understand it now. The microorganisms will flock to it.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34245
      London
      Participant

      Okay, so we know E.Coli is involved. A rat, a christmas tree and right now, I wish a stick of dynomite! Have a good rest of weekend everyone!

      London

    • #34246
      Been there
      Participant

      I see at varying times particles, especially white flake like substances that are attracted by any IR source. Anything from far IR, a 35º C water bath to a Thousand watt projector, a quartz halogen lamp, well, it is unpredictable. When I point a 10 watt quartz Halogen lamp upwards, sometimes I witness myriads of them literally flying towards it from 360º around it and from floor to ceiling. No matter what angle or direction they approach, when they sense the heat, they immediately go straight up. Most manage only 10 CM or so then fall. A few veer away, a few manage to keep going up. A hair dryer, used backwards, causes the organisms to come out of hair follicles and go to the tip of hairs. Also, anytime I have left a slide in a microscope while viewing a filament, I find they have detached from the filament and are lined up along the edge of the slide. These organisms are on all filaments here. They cause random movement of the filaments.
      I assume they are what make the shapes in the filaments. I have seen thousands of tree limbs, branches, etc. with multiple turns of filament wrapped around them. This causes the growth to cut the bark killing the portion past their location. I actually first witnessed this at Perdue University.
      I will use tunable sources of radiation to verify the actual range. I also wish to determine why this is so random. It may very well be they require moisture and they are active any time the relative humidity is above a certain point. I have eliminated attraction by electrostatic, electromagnetic, etc. means, it is seemingly the IR component of a source. I find approximately 95% of the filaments have positive or no net charge, the rest a negative net charge. So little time, so much to do.

    • #34247
      Sabrina
      Participant

      “I was in Groton, Connecticut by New London about the time Lyme started to unfold.”

      Dear Greg,
      With myself included, you are the third person to mention that they were in the Groton/New London area. I am a Coast Guard vet and was stationed there. Hum????? Coincidence?

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #34253
      GregV
      Participant

      😯 Sabrina,

      Now you are really moving me,

      Do you mind my asking, you must be older than me, because I’m 47.
      I was only about 8-11 years old then.
      How old are you?

      You don’t have to say more but this definately has captivated my interest as to places of distribution.

      I’ll probably not talk here much more at this sight, there are others who are much more worthy of the time, content, and substance here,
      and I feel I am only getting in the way,

      I can talk to you at the other place or perhaps direct e-mail. Talk to you later,

      Thanks to all here, especially TamTam, London, Southcity, Sabrina, Cliff, Greema, and all else.

      Sincerely,
      Greg

    • #34350
      Sabrina
      Participant

      See what I mean? It spreads quickly and the poor medical professionals getting this are clueless.

      Mysterious Rash Puzzles Hospital Staff

      http://www.nbc5i.com/health/5438574/detail.html

      POSTED: 5:45 pm CST November 30, 2005
      UPDATED: 6:02 pm CST November 30, 2005

      FORT WORTH, Texas — Doctors at Harris Methodist Hospital in Fort Worth said they were mystified by a strange rash that spread among about two dozen hospital employees.

      Staff dermatologists and specialists brought in from outside Harris Methodist have not determined the nature of the rash.

      “There is some concern about what we are treating,” Dr. Joe Prosser said. “The reason I say that is that some of the rashes that we have had examined simply do not conform to what we would consider textbook rashes. We’ve asked the dermatologists to come over and take another look.”

      The first cases broke out a few weeks ago when an infected patient was admitted from a different medical facility. The affected patient and hospital staff members initially were treated for scabies, a contagious condition caused by parasitic mites.

      Public health officials said the population or other patients at Harris Methodist are not at risk of contracting the unknown rash.

      NOT AT RISK????? 😯 Believe me, everyone is at risk.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #34358
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #34372
      Skytroll
      Participant

      How does Schwartz know what he is treating.

      Does he have tests?

      Our doctors will not call him.

      C-3 carbon, nitrogen, phosphorous

      or Anabaena, Noctulariaspumigena, aphanizomenon cf klebahnii

      skytroll

    • #34374
      London
      Participant

      Tam Tam

      I read about Mark the other day. I thought you might have been finished writing here. Very elated to see that you are not.

      Are you referring to the Genetic markers (SNP)? I posted the other day about apoptosis but never had your sagacious response.

      Again, is it Genetic Markers (SNP)?

      I know the death receptor ligation can also elicit the help of cellular organelles such as the mitochondria.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34376
      London
      Participant

      Yes Sky. I believe that too. As I said last week but got a reply-
      I think it’s going to boil down to the soil, climate. The nitrogen being so changed.
      Think about the waste on the farm. From the chickens to the cow poop. They fertilize with this. Then we eat the corn, etc.

      I think they are basing all this on Adaptive Immunity…kinda like it’s gonna be survial of the fittest……..

      What they should have done instead was have new episode of Fear-Factor on TV with Bush Admn, Monsanto, and some evil researchers/scientist(you know who you are, remember-you did the dirty work for em’) all playing against each other in a game called “Who wants to be a Morganaire?

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34379
      amoebapower
      Participant

      dont you get lyme disease from tick bites?

    • #34397
      London
      Participant

      TamTam

      Cycles?

      This is got to be the end. Again, Deductions are maddening.

      Final Answer: Neurospora/Cryptococcus Neoformans

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34412
      London
      Participant

      Dear Been There,

      Guess what? After talking about IR with you the other day I became
      more interested.
      I found something interesting and wondered if you had heard of it.
      It is called the BioCAT /// a synchrotron X-ray. I bet the Government
      could surely use this.

      Check it out and let me know what you think.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34414
      tamtam
      Participant

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      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #34436
      J Jill
      Participant

      Chagas? Trypanosomiasis- Sleeping sickness?

      Are there any herbs that you are aware of that are used for this problem?

      Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

    • #34442
      London
      Participant

      TamTam,

      I would like to express my sincere gratitude for you and your keen
      wisdom. Unfortunately, I had given up searching as of this morning.

      There is one thing I would like to tell you and one thing I would like to
      ask you. First I would like to say that a nematode that I had in my les-
      ion(s) was ” C. Elegans.” Do you know much about this? It is quite
      interesting. Perhaps I had other nematodes as well but the C. Elagans
      was a definite.

      The big question that was on my mind all day was why you do not
      see the MFC’s ( Microbial Fuel Cells) as being a cause in this horrible
      illness. I would appreciate your feedback at your convenience.

      Thank you again.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34450
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Secret DOE meetings. The DOE and the EPA working together. How cozy.

      Tam Tam, Did Darwin think protists of typanasoma was the first “evo devo”? or was that Mendel?

      Genomics defininetly made this all renewable.

      I say a bike is good.

      Thanks TamTam. Take care and look forward to the video.

      skytroll

    • #34480
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #34497
      Skytroll
      Participant

      TamTam,

      Drosophilia flyworm another? Properties of an element? or mineral?

      Physical properties? Dark field microscopy?

      So protists are beginning, right?

      Sincerely,

      skytroll

    • #34513
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Tamtam,

      You said:

      Think about somatic cell nuclear transfer for a moment.
      What does infect, if all looks so natural.

      Does this refer to research where cloning is carried out? If the cyano is quorum sensing, then does this mean it will only release its liquid when, by taking a census, the micro-organism realises that it is quorate? Is this why you think that a suitable antibiotic should be prescribed, in addition to the regimen proposed by Dr Schwartz? Is your rationale that the cyano bacterial levels should, (if it is perhaps not yet possible to eliminate this infection entirely), be reduced to sub-quorate levels?

      If C represents cyano, does 3 represent lepidoptera, giant mold cell, and virus?

      In the original experimental research, were the stem cells in the hair follicles of the mammal chosen to see if the living breathing tissue to which you previously referred could then emerge from the stem cells within the treated hair follicles? Is this why the immune system is evaded?

      I do not know if any of my deductions above are correct, but please let us know, and thank you very very much, Tamtam.

    • #34530
      C3
      Participant

      C= Cyano
      3= trypanosoma

      Quorum sensing is bacterial load bound ( momentum bound)
      = based on release of chemical signal
      More than one signal is present.
      Step, step, step

      Indeed lysis(free flow of DNA) is related to fission.

      All is about cloning

    • #34544
      J Jill
      Participant

      C 3,

      You say it’s all about cloning? Is the cloned version as virulent? Deadly?
      Treatable?

      Thank you in advance for any help.

    • #34608
      tamtam
      Participant

      It seems to be related to adaptation (artificial tissue)
      The target must be intended for medical, industrial and military spin of.

      More related to degenerative type disease, but not everybody will react the same.

      cloning

      DNA molecule originating from a virus, a plasmid, or the cell of a higher organism into which another DNA fragment of appropriate size can be integrated without loss of the vectors capacity for self-replication; vectors introduce foreign DNA into host cells, where it can be reproduced in large quantities. Examples are plasmids, cosmids, and yeast artificial chromosomes; vectors are often recombinant molecules containing DNA sequences from several sources.
      http://www.uic.edu/nursing/genetics/Glo … ssary1.htm

    • #34619
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Tamtam,

      Thank you again for your answer. So, a vector can pierce a given body’s defences, and can then go on to replicate itself in a step by step fashion, ultimately forming parts of artificial tissue. Might these parts include the hard plaques of ‘skin’ that may be found on the scalp, or the back of the neck? Would they also include the strange ‘hairs’ that people have complained of, describing them as black, dark brown, or tan?

      Yet, if so, why was there a need to make the ‘skin’ plaques so strong? These pieces of calloused ‘skin’ will not be removed by force, apparently, although they seem to be ‘lacy’ in structure, and highly dependent on receiving an adequate oxygen supply from the surface of the skin. If you agree that this is so, would you have an idea of the specific genetic input involved?

      Thanks once again.

    • #34623
      yyz
      Participant

      tamtam,

      you had mentioned that this disease at the moment only affects a minority…

      what are the common factors creating this minority of affliction?… genetics?… lifestyle?… environment?… all of the above???

      if genetics, what specifically?… born with it?, or just pre-disposed to contract it?

      i have had it on and off for 20+ years that i know of… please help if you can.

      thanks,
      yyz

    • #34626
      tamtam
      Participant

      All should be under investigation(…)

      “Simply” a modified infectious agent is the cause.

      Multiple pathway relates to multi lineage differentiation.
      One modified element diversifies into a set commensal resembling micro organisms. Some elements can reconstitute the base.

      Base element is a fusion between cyano and a trypanosoma like element.
      All are with characteristic properties.

      Trypanosoma is a mayor parasitic protozoa hence a parasitic life cycle is part of its nature(gametes etc)
      This cycle has been recorded

      The video footage (see link) shows Cyano.

      Mold= cellulose like
      Artifacts= protein crystals(chitinase related)
      Giant cell produce (pigmented) clouds and seem cause of the genesis of colored filament.
      Note that filament is not connected to e.g mold: this property relates most to presence of protoplasm (cell less cell)

      The particular culture is “in a way” a projection of the wing of an insect (probably lepidoptera) or at least projection of specific properties now not 2D but 3D extented (2D wingpattern related)

      Explanation is interpretation and survey.
      A specialist could go into minute detail but would also reveal to be well informed about this particular type target.

      However,

      Infection constitutes infection with a cyclical made (novel) micro organism.

      As earlier mentioned:
      a set commensal resembling micro organism can reconstitute the cycle.

      Because multiple systems are present,
      transmission by multiple pathway is supposed to be the case.

      Best is to see this type infection as novel.
      This environmental resistant and contagious element should be on the agenda at once.

      Fact is also that You talk about at least twenty five years concentration on effects and not on cause- by the industry.

      The identification of this target will have major consquences.

      Most will relate to degenerative disease and/or long or life long suppressive therapy and nosocomial infection in specific.

      Stay tuned!

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #34635
      FiberSymptoms
      Participant

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    • #34655
      befour
      Participant

      I will be very interested in Tam Tam’s reply to your questions. I have been following the conversations on this forum for several months now, and although I am not a scientist, I get most of it. I have to say “thank you” to TamTam, and all of you, that are collectively trying to help all of us. Tonight was one of those nights when I was so scared and depressed that I found myself wondering if I could go on living like this. Thank God for this forum, at least I know that I am not alone. I am a mid-fifties wife and mom, with three sons, one is a teenager still in high school. I have had this “plague” for almost four years. It first started on my face and now covers my whole head. I have lost about 1/3 of my hair, it looks like I took a razor and shaved a 3 inch wide strip right down the center of my head, (a reverse Mohawk).

      The one thing I cannot bring myself to discuss with my husband is the horrible “bugs” that come out of my head and face. I can’t believe it myself. Some are so big and black, about 1/8 inch long and definitely look like Collembola. Lately there have been a lot more of the small black ones. I also have the crawling, biting hairs, some look like they have barbs on them, some look like they were tied in a bow and then there are the wads of frizz that builds up under the thickened skin on my forehead and bridge of my nose, along with the lesions about the size of a quarter, on my scalp,ears and forehead. The sores seem to go all the way to the bone.

      I have had basically the same experience with drs. that you have all had.
      I got to the point that I refused to see my regular dr.because she made me feel guilty for being sick and taking up her valuable time. Instead I began seeing her PA, who still has an open mind and will admit that there are things that she has not heard of. Most of all she had compassion and was as concerned about my mental health as well as my physical health.

      I hope that I am not boring you all to death, but I do want to share some things that have helped me. I stay on antibiotics most of the time (I have been out for about a week, got to get back on them ASAP). I had been on Omnicef for about a month, it seemed better than Keflex or Doryx, Biaxin seemed to help also. Bactroban cream really helps to ease the pain on the lesions and controls the infection.Hydrocortisone Valerate cream works well to control the swelling and pain. The biggest surprise was Phisoderm body wash it really helps to heal the lesions, especially if they are just starting. Use it as shampoo also, just be sure to leave it on for at least one minute. Also, I find this very interesting: I always use lots of lotion or body oil all over my body for my dry skin, and I have never had a serious lesion anywhere except my face,scalp and ears. I thought I had found the answer, so I soaked my head with oil several times, didn’t seem to help. One of the many things I don’t understand!

      TamTam, do you have any suggestions for this simple country girl? I am really scared that these things are headed for my brain from all directions. What antibiotics should I try? For me, the worst thing about this disease is missing out on my sons’ life, not being able to share these last precious years, because I am always sick. I am just consumed by guilt about it too, I guess it’s a woman thing.

      God Bless Us All –

      B

    • #34659
      London
      Participant

      Yes cloning. Even cloning of human robot.

      I will have to wait until this evening before I can post more but I would like to let Tam Tam know something. I understand now about the uib. That is quite a bit of cashflow isn’t it.

      Here’s more on why/how/process involved…investors within researching.

      *******The company is eligible to receive a patent for its invention with a term as long as the term of the patent when it was issued by the Patent and Trademark Office, without any erosion due to delays in the FDA approval process. This alternative is available to any company that successfully develops a countermeasure irrespective of its paid-in capital. (b). The company is eligible to extend the term of any patent owned by the company for two years. The patent may not be one that is acquired by the company from a third party. This is included as a capital formation incentive for small biotechnology companies with less than $750 million in paid- in capital, or, at the discretion of the Department of Homeland Security, to any firm that successfully develops a countermeasure. In addition, a company that successfully develops a countermeasure is eligible for a 10-year period of market exclusivity on the countermeasure.

      did previously wonder about creating a creature from fungus. The reason for this is Fungi can “destroy and retrograde” cellular structures, which basically means it can evolve(mutate) a derivative from the original.

      More about this later. Have a nice weekend everyone! 25 years?

      London

    • #34661
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #34663
      tamtam
      Participant

      Grafalin
      New Member

      Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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      Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:39 am Post subject: Fiber Disease and Treatment – by G. Schwartz MD

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      Dear TamTam and others,

      First, I want to respond to a few things on the forum and initially would like to voice my objection to the secrecy. I honestly believe that people have nothing to fear. By hiding behind false names one is forced to question the veracity and integrity. Like it or not, people will frequently base their opinion on the persons track record and scientific background. Medical science tends to exist in a framework of free interaction with secrecy being viewed as a cover of something less than pleasant.

      Now having voiced my peeve, I wanted to go on to a critical area, and that is treatment. Regardless of theory, everyone I know with this horrid disease is searching for cure or approaches which will improve the disabling and frustrating disease.

      In this context, we often learn a great deal by seeing what is effective treatment and from that gain a better idea, albeit incomplete, of what we are treating.

      We have had remarkable and consistent success based on a protocol which is freely available. Essentially we treat the bacterial infection with Septra and Avelox (moxifloxacan). We have observed that the lesions heal rapidly in most cases. However, there clearly is a parasitic component present. Based on numerous clinical observations we initiated treatment with Biltricide (praziquantel) on a weekly basis with intermittent doses of Stromectol (ivermectin).

      For the insect infestations, we have been using Diatomaceous Earth as a pack. In addition we are very cautious in treatment of the eyes because we have seen cases of blindness. Thus we use Ophthalmic drops and in severe and selected cases we also use Diflucan.

      We have had remarkable success with every patient. Our team has also cultured the bacteria Stenotrophomonas Maltophilia. It is certainly possible that the organism has been genetically modified, however, it almost always responds to the antibiotic combination.

      We are identifying the worm that is involved but are yet to have a definitive diagnosis. But this has not stopped us from treating the condition with the best available knowledge we have.

      We welcome scientific discourse and dislike shadowy secrecy.

      Our desire is to work together to gain as much knowledge as possible to eradicate the disease.

      I am convinced there is absolutely nothing to fear except for idiosyncratic paranoid ideation.

      So basically guys, I’m out in the open. Let’s all work together to stop the tremendous suffering.

      Sincerely,
      George R. Schwartz, MD

      (secretary to Dr. Schwartz — Grace Risi cell # 609-670-2166)

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      tamtam
      Participant

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      tamtam
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    • #34742
      London
      Participant

      Hello. have not had much time to read any post recently, so please excuse if I say something that has already been posted. I only saw todays post by TamTam.

      I did view the website (FISH). Both impressive and interesting. The answer to the question I’m about to inquire about does not matter. This being said, I sincerely hope this sage person continues to post. They are needed.

      The question I have is simply do you work there? Madison, Wisconsin was it?

      Can you treat us and will you?

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34746
      C3
      Participant

      A modified cyano/tryp by commensal constitutes Your infection.
      Dr. Schwartz protocol may cover, if not, his protocol should be fine tuned towards protothecosis.
      Ask Your G.P.
      The infection constitutes a fusion= novel pathogen.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

      [PDF] 05WSC21 – 1 – The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology Department …
      File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
      undefined but transgenic manipulations in mice indicate cytokine and other …
      In humans, both cutaneous and disseminated protothecosis has. been reported. …
      http://www.afip.org/vetpath/WSC/wsc04/04wsc21.pdf – Similar pages

    • #34765
      London
      Participant

      It finally dawned on me. I kept asking self why. Why this disease, why was it
      born? For this to be kept so secret for so long is impresive and a difficult task to do, yet it is evil. It is dark. Any coverup in any form or fashion is dark.

      I kept thinking what/why would the military need this disease? For
      attacking the opposition- using it as a weapon? No, I don’t think so! It only affects certain individuals remember? Do you really think this disease if given to
      the opposition would make them so feeble that they could not fire all that
      cool amo back? Fibers might scare hell out of em though! 🙂

      So here’s what I’m thinking,,,,military possible uses in war. Uhh,
      the disease takes over body via skin and pores….what could they use it for…………….

      The only logical answer ( and yes it’s far-fetched and sounds ludicrous)
      is: For Prosthetic limbs and skin Replacements !(Fake Skin). You’re probably thinking
      you stupid girl-how are they going to apply this?

      I say……They are not! This will be used by remote control.
      Yes, ROBOTS. They’ve already been made and made to function remotely.

      This is simply a hypothesis for why the military could use this fake skin disease as a Defense Tactic. It is kooky, bizare….. but I challenge each of you to think of a reason.- it’s hard.

      If our Dep’t of Offense- oops, I mean Defense, were said to be utilizing this skin mimicking disease as a defense tactic, what would they use it for?
      Any answers? Please??? Hey Been There- think of something.

      and to if this was ( our disease) created using genetic midifications/ cloning etc., how could one say it’s been around for 1/4 of a century? I’m not implying that I do not think it;s possible- I’m just curious. Can anyone help answer this. I really do not know. Thanks.

      PS: FYI: Clinton was in Montreal recently speaking about climate change…..

      Have a nice weekend ( and a nice laugh)!!!

      London

    • #34768
      London
      Participant

      Dear Dr. Schwartz,

      That was a cool thing for you to do. The advice ,the public showing, etc.,
      of your information.

      So, Thank you. A lot of us out here keep an open mind. So glad you do as well. Do you have any co-workers/ Dr’s in your circle that also know and believe that this disease is real? Very curious to find this one out.

      One last thing…..Got any openings in Jan? Where are you? Is it New Mexico? So sorry but I truly do not know.

      Thanks again Doctor!

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34773
      London
      Participant

      Wound Repair

      mysterious type of immune cell that resides mainly in the skin and gut – the gamma-delta T cell. Could this relate to us/Morgellons sufferers?

      Anyone?

      T. You,

      London

    • #34775
      London
      Participant

      v I have been sitting at desk vacillating from misery to irrate misery topped with v. soar throat. Just thinking about why? what’s purpose?

      This time I was pondering the route: what’s in it for the pharmaceutical Companies for the medicines that will Cure us….

      Garlic, collidal Silver and Tea Tree but wer’e talking maloderous phermones here. Don’t think the “bugs” will even want us more less
      your neighbor. Everyones going to get antibiotic resistant soon.
      Unless they hurry and fiish study on this type of “JammingBacteria”.
      It’s where the cell are exposed to a Furemone-yes tha was an F that word began with. This makes the bacteria quit “quoram Sensing’.
      It will not rid body of bacteria but it will “freeze or Jam it up. Hurry Please………..we need now!

      So, I have about came to the realization that with all this theory of
      Military, then reading a lot on the new types of magnetic imaging cameras,
      our bodies sensing and attracting Static electricity, the talk of us eventually being “scanned” ourselves-you know, kind of like the barcode deal. infra Red imaging……all of this- Well this made me think that there
      is no medicinal cure right now- only pills to help with the problem/symptoms. There you have people that have seem to get cured. A lot of these people say it’s because they took cipro for like 15 years! ha-only a metaphor there, but serious who the hell wants to pay the pharmacy companies for their addicting poisons? Then again, even though cheaper and much healthier answer would be the Garlic and the t.Tree. who can do this daily? I will not go in public with Garlic breath . Ever. I hate it, hat it, hate it.

      So, think about it-there is no medicine to cure it. Then why would they have given it to us/ or why/how did it get out of lab to us? was it thru the pesticides and the pollutions. Perhaps.

      I know some of it-maybe a lot of our syptoms or thru contact with this mode of transmission (soil, atmoshpere. water) and the other___????
      I don’t know. Maybe they have some big billion dollar magnetic imaging/camera that maybe shoots out infrared and all that techy stuff. In fact, I just wrote a post to “Been There” the other day, saying the name of some hot new big imaging gadget that they’ve came out with.( I will have to look up it’s name). Nevertheless. here’s what I’m gonna guess they will eventually do to treat us…..

      They will use this image/resonance machine to zap electic currents into us!!!!!
      That’s why the zapper and the rife machines are now working so good.

      As a matter of fact I could swear that I read somewhere about a month ago that the future key to healing would be in the “Rife Machines” I thought it just to be a phony ad. but I’m seeing it differently now.

      Okay, there it is. They’re going to put us in some nanotube cylinder gadget from hell, shake us up a wee bit, then shock us.

      Then we will live happily ever after!!! Later all! Have a nice Sunday.

      London

    • #34792
      yyz
      Participant

      London,

      I don’t think anything is too far fetched at this point. Militaries will do anything to gain the upper hand. It is that way now as it has always been through time. It’s all about MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). And, if we, the minority affected serve their purpose as guinae pigs, I doubt anyone in command loses much sleep over it. If they do, then we are now a liablility.

      The spin off for the industry seems to be at least a bonus, if not part of the plan. Antibiotics, SSRI’s, Acid-Reflux and IBS (trypanosomysis = megaesophagous and megacolon), Arthritis, Lupus, Fibromyalgia, MS, ED, and lately, Restless Leg Syndrome, Insomnia, Cholesterol, SSSI, and Dry Eye Syndrome, just to cite a few.

      Have you noticed the recent influx of tv and print ads (over the last 3-4 years especially)? It is simply a new form of extortion.

      It is like the link you inadvertanly click which installs malware on your pc. Aferwitch, your pc’s performance is degraded. Then, the next pop-up wants to sell you software to remove it. Or, the mafia goon who charges the shop owner 10% for protection. You get the idea.

      As far as a military motive. Maybe it is about control. Chemical, electric, magnetic? Who knows?

      Maybe the current minority that is extremely affected is only the beginning of what is to come for many more “subjects”. Or, maybe it is a side-effect, an accident, a stray subset, an intentional subset for data collection and correlation, collateral damage, … a smoking gun?

      Think about the time your life was innocent. When everything was ok. When you were proud to be an American. When the American Dream seemed achievable. Does any of that exist anymore? If not, can it be re-established? Will it all go away? Will it all go away in our lifetimes?

      http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns? … news_rss20

      Bio-warfare… Why blow up resources and assets you plan to takeover if you don’t have to?

      I see the Middle Kingdom between Heaven and Earth
      Like the Chinese call the country of their birth
      We all figure that our homes are set above
      Other people than the ones we know and love
      In every place with a name
      They play the same territorial game
      Hiding behind the lines
      Sending up warning signs

      The whole wide world
      An endless universe
      Yet we keep looking through
      The eyeglass in reverse
      Don’t feed the people
      But we feed the machines
      Can’t really feel
      What international means
      In different circles, we keep holding our ground
      In different circles, we keep spinning round and round

      We see so many tribes overrun and undermined
      While their invaders dream of lands they’ve left behind
      Better people…better food…and better beer…
      Why move around the world when Eden was so near?
      The bosses get talking so tough
      And if that wasn’t evil enough
      We get the drunken and passionate pride
      Of the citizens along for the ride

      They shoot without shame
      In the name of a piece of dirt
      For a change of accent
      Or the color of your shirt
      Better the pride that resides
      In a citizen of the world
      Than the pride that divides
      When a colorful rag is unfurled
      –Neil Peart

      yyz

    • #34797
      London
      Participant

      Wow, thank you yyz, thank you a lot.

      The writing was right on, the video-mindblowing.

      Sincerely, London

    • #34800
      befour
      Participant

      Dear TamTam-

      Thank you so much for your reply and your wisdom. I will most definitely try all of your suggestions. However, I have run into the brick wall again (my GP). I went to my dr. to get an antibiotic – I have a large lesion on my forehead and have a URI, a lot of congestion. I had to see a new PA (dr. was not there).

      Once again, I had to start from the beginning, she said that she had never heard of the disease.
      It was a surreal experience – she did not want to treat me – just kept saying, “I will talk to the dr. on Monday and we will decide what to prescribe”. She kept looking at me as though I was a mental case and she couldn’t wait to run out of the room. I persisted and told her I had to have an antibiotic – I suggested the ones that I have read about – Bactrim. Suprax and Cipro – told her that patients with this disease have had good results using them.

      Got no response from her until I showed her the two antibiotics that you had suggested in one of your previous posts. I had written them down so that I could remember them.

      She looked at the two names and then she jumped up from her chair – she said “THIS FIRST ONE IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST ANTIBIOTICS THERE IS – AND WE ONLY GIVE IT IN THE HOSPITAL THRU AN IV!” She did not know what the other one was and said she would have to research it.

      I let her calm down and then told her “now you have an idea what we are dealing with.” She left the room to write me a prescription – and Are you ready for this – SHE GAVE ME BIAXIN, How did she come up with that?

      I cannot deal with this humiliation any more and I have got to find someone who will treat me with Dr. Schwartz’s procedure. I sincerely appreciate all of your help with giving me the information I need to BEGIN TO fight this disease.

      Best regards,
      B

      Dr. Schwartz –

      If you are reading these posts – would it be possible for you to refer me to someone in my area? I would greatly appreciate any help that you could give me. If you would prefer to contact me via e-mail ([email protected]). Thank you for giving us hope.

    • #34839
      London
      Participant

      TamTam , I posted to you last week about P. Wickerhamii. I believe it was on page 19 of this forum. I am curious if you ever read up on it? Reason being is simply that one of the articles that you referenced for me to read states this:

      “To date there are three recognized Prototheca species: P. stagnora, P. zopfii, and P. wickerhamii. Only P. zopfii and P. wickerhamii are known to cause disease in animals and humans. Both species appear morphologically similar to one another
      and can be differentiated based on sugar and alcohol assimilation or fluorescent antibody tests. In humans, both cutaneous and disseminated protothecosis has been reported. P. wickerhamii is most commonly associated with cutaneous lesions and P. stagnora usually results in disseminated disease in humans.”

      And by the way, please comment on this statement below:

      “The site of primary T cell activation is a determinant of the balance between intrahepatic tolerance and immunity.”

      And one last thing that I see is very important:

      ENV-GLYCOPROTEIN VACCINE FOR PROTECTION OF HTLV-I AND-II INFECTION

      I believe this vaccination is the novelty you refer to? Please comment.
      I do not believe this is available due to “patent” holdups, which is unfortunate.

      Tam Tam, the thing that was so hard for me to work with when you instructed me to deduct, was the part where you said it is systematic.. Here, I wanted to say: Staph A. Infection and or Candida. Well, this has been difficult. I will not forget United Nations-
      Agenda 21. This is going back to my original theory of WHY? MY ANSWER TO SELF WAS : TO END WORLD HUNGER. How to accomplish this? Simply thru the
      Rice plant. What’s wrong with that? Well it carries quite a few fungal diseases.
      One in particular is Pseudomas syringae. This one is facilitated by guess what? By
      Biofilm Formation and Surfactin Production. This is where we begin to discuss the Rhizopus, right? I know it gets into the roots of the plants. Especially the legume plants. Maybe that is why you hinted around with a certain comment before. Did you know that the root not Nematodes are induced from radiation? See what the DOE has a patent on titled:

      RADIATION-INDUCED RESISTANCE TO ROOT-KNOT NEMATODES IN KOREAN LESPEDEZA. Here’s more too:

      Infection with parasitic nematodes is characterized by the induction of a profound type 2 immune response.
      Tam Tam , I believe I am the only person that has stated that they indeed have C. Elegans. I have found no one that talks about it.
      I believe that somehow C. elegans will play a role in this. Hopefully, in a positive way. I read an interesting paper about two months ago written by a Mr. Man, I believe that was titiled something like:
      Killing of Caenorhabditis by P. aeruginosa used to model mammalian bacterial pathogenesis. Maybe this will work for me??!!

      and……What about that Bovine pleuropneumonia? I think is
      to be looked at.

      Nevertheless, I’d appreciate your feedback on the above two
      Areas.

      Again, Thank you for taking risk.
      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34854
      tamtam
      Participant

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    • #34861
      London
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      Qi gong.

      Entity/Object
      Physical Object/ living thing
      Animate thing/ organism
      Being/ microorganis
      m/ virus
      Animal virus

      *****also wonder if squid is part of cat**********************

      Sincerely,
      London

    • #34866
      trythisifpossible
      Participant

      clindamycin ❗

    • #34869
      London
      Participant

      with: pyrimethamine

      Parasite genome similarities offer hope for new drugs and vaccines This may be true, but for the boys who work in advertising/nanotechnology, the computer science field and the science field, well a few of them think this is damn funny. You know who you are . Funny thing, I believe I might have seen you before. Think overseas. You go on lot’s of trips. I believe I had the pleasure of bumping into you within two week sin 2 seperate countries. One being Mexico, the other Switzerland. Ring a Bell?

      Also I believe that the steps in Tam Tam’s: steps, steps, steps is simply Mathematical- Calculus to be exact.

      London

    • #34871
      London
      Participant

      Among the range of ideas emerging in this field is the theory of a Russian researcher who recently hypothesized that “torsion fields” exist and that they can be propagated through space at no less than 109 times the speed of light in vacuum; that they convey information without transmitting energy; and that they are not required to obey the superposition principle.
      There are other extraordinary claims and observations recorded in the literature. For example, one report claimed that accomplished meditators were able to imprint their intentions on electrical devices (IIED), which when placed in a room for 3 months, would elicit these intentions, such as changes in pH and temperature, in the room even when the IIED was removed from the room. Another claim is that water will crystallize into different forms and appearances under the influence of written intentions or types of music.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34874
      London
      Participant

      The desire-to be at the cutting edge can be seen in its initiatives that are aimed at watching over its future, with its Strategic Plan for Quality; with the Forward Planning Office; specialization and job placement, with the University-Enterprise Foundation; and innovation. ” we cannot guarantee to control the future changes, but the changes, when they do happen, will not take it by surprise.”

      Hey Tam Tam: The Hitchhiking Principle: Optimizing episomal
      vectors for the use in gene therapy and
      biotechnology

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #34895
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      properties of carbon 60 mean anything in this?

      How about physical, chemical, biological application through nanotechnology?

      Nano will control matter?

      Nano as catalyst?

      They have to cross paths at some time don’t they for matter to be controlled?

      Skytroll

    • #34898
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      “Properdin deficiency states are X-linked, while other genetic defects within the complement system appear to be transmitted as autosomal recessive traits. Chromosome 1 contains the genes for C1q, C8, C4bp, factor H, Cr1, Cr2, and DAF, and chromosome 12 contains the genes for C1r and C1s. the gene for C3 has been localised to chromosome 19, factor I to chromosome 4, and C1(IA) to chromosome 11. Four complement proteins, the C4A isotype, the C4B isotype, C2 and factor B, are encoded by genes within the major histocompatibility complex (MHC) on chromosome 6 (307).” excerpt from

      http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/MBChB/Mer … ncies.html

      Now, would this explain why some of us may be getting this and others don”t. I just do not understand why some are susceptible to this and others are completely free of this.

      Thank you for your input. You have been most kind to give us your thoughts.

      Sincerely,

      Skytroll

    • #34912
      MorgyNow
      Participant

      Not being taken seriously, 👿 probably

      quote :

      since it was brought back from Iraq

      and the government doesn’t want to admit it. Avian flu?? Hmmmm. I used to not sound so paranoid, but now I wonder.

      Sand fleas, whatever, I am suffering like the rest of you.

    • #34925
      J Jill
      Participant

      Great info, Skytroll. Hopefully TamTam will address your posts?

      Morgy, I understand how you feel.

      It’s complicated, new_guy- but real I can assure you. Feel free to jump in? Investigate?

      Hopefully, someone on this board will take interest?

    • #34929
      London
      Participant

      In C. elegans,
      RNAi phenotypes can be induced by injecting worms with dsRNA23,24, by soaking them
      in solutions containing dsRNA10,26, or even by feeding them bacteria that express
      dsRNA27-29. RNAi is now a routine method to inactivate genes in C. elegans.

      Also when looking at Mycoplasmas( there is over 200 secies) I find the
      Retrovirus to be of great issue. Here’s something I had on Mycoplasmas…..

      Many mycoplasmal pathogens exhibit filamentous or flask-shaped appearances and display prominent and specialized polar tip organelles that mediate attachment to host target cells . These tip structures are complex, composed of a network of interactive proteins, designated adhesins, and adherence-accessory proteins . These proteins cooperate structurally and functionally to mobilize and concentrate adhesins at the tip and permit mycoplasmal colonization of mucous membranes and eucaryotic cell surfaces, probably through host sialoglycoconjugates and sulfated glycolipids It appears that mycoplasmal cytadherence-related proteins represent a superfamily of genes and proteins that have been conserved through horizontal gene transfer from an ancestral gene family. This protein network resembles a specialized cytoskeleton-like apparatus, which may represent the precursor to mammalian cytoskeletal and extracellular matrix-like complexes Other Mycoplasma species lack distinct tip structures yet are capable of cytadherence, and they may use related genes or proteins or alternative mechanisms of surface parasitism.

      Sincerely,
      London

    • #34940
      London
      Participant

      A lightbulb moment here ( I think)…….After looking at this (our illness) from another angle yesterday I have come to the conclusion that this is based on the theory of :

      ” Innate Immunity”

      2 parts to this……

      1. Innate-that with which one was born with, and

      2. Adaptive/specific- B and T cells that get a response to precise antigens.

      Cells that have Dendrites talk to t-cells, and they then talk to b cells.

      Let’s say B. Thuringiensis which I think is Anthrax and it’s 2 pathenogens
      a) Insect and b) nematode

      this produces a spore and a toxin crystal. The spores disseminate thru
      the landside and thus the bovine eats it for his meals, Now the bacteria turn the cow into more spores.

      the insect will do the same except he will eat the crystal toxin as well.

      The toxin will bind to the receptor/changes conformation, inserts into membrane and forms a PORE!

      Organic Farmers can still use B.t-they are used in transgenic plants to kill the insects. Take one of the toxin receptors and clone it to the fly and Boom! You are now really whacked, but wait, the more crops that are produced, the more B.t toxins it will be releasing, so our meals become more and more infected and we become even more “whacked” as long as we keep eating this. I think We will see most increases in the spring and again in very late summertime, when Cyano produces/ blooms.

      Some things that I’m going to guess constitute our disease:

      Enterococcus faecium , Cyanobacteria, ( brucella????), Zeuzera pyrina-the moth and C. Elegan( ,it is on me anyway).and the tryposonomma
      Now do I know this?? No.
      I am just guessing.

      Sincerely,

      London

      PS I left off a disease: I will choose: P.aeruginosa

    • #34956
      London
      Participant

      ohhh,now I see better, it’s the MYXOCOCCUS not the mycotoxins-

      London

    • #35033
      J Jill
      Participant

      Point to ponder?

      The nematode is involved in Lyme Disease. The C Elegans worm.

      This worm “contains similarity to Borrelia burgdorferi” per link below.

      How could this be? Can someone explain this?

      **
      The link below at http://www.wormbase.org shows that Gene model for
      Caenorhabditis elegans:

      “contains similarity to Borrelia burgdorferi”

      See link:

      http://www.wormbase.org/db/gene/gene?na … ;class=CDS

      Excerpt:

      Gene Summary for M04C3.3
      Specify a gene using a locus, sequence, protein, genbank or SwissProt symbol:

      Identification Brief ID: M04C3.3 gene
      Species: Caenorhabditis elegans
      Common name: unassigned (name not approved by CGC)
      Gene model(s): Gene Model Status Remark Nucleotides
      (coding/transcript) Protein SwissProt Amino

      Acids
      M04C3.3 partially confirmed by cDNA(s) contains similarity to Borrelia
      burgdorferi Conserved

      hypothetical protein.; TR:Q9S044 573/1424 bp WP:CE18080 O62320 190 aa

      Putative C. briggsae ortholog: not identified
      Literature citations: 0 citations

      Location Interpolated Genetic Position: V:21.46
      Genomic Position: V:19448150..19446727 bp
      Genomic Environs:

      End Excerpt

      **
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/view … al=3878626

      Hypothetical protein M04C3.3 [Caenorhabditis elegans].

      Scroll down to the Comment re: The sequence is not necessarily the entire insert of
      the specified clone…

      **
      Thanks in advance for any insight.

      I’m surprised no students have jumped in on this. Be a great subject for a thesis?

    • #35055
      C3
      Participant

      keywords: hox genes

      Hox Genes and Birth Defects
      Hox genes found in almost all animals, control how and where parts of …
      Many other birth defects also may result from disruptions of hox gene activity. …
      apu.sfn.org/content/Publications/ BrainBriefings/hox_genes.html – 18k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #35059
      Skytroll
      Participant

      a definition.

      http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultran … mmensalism

      skytroll

    • #35065
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Thank you Tam Tam,

      Skytroll

    • #35067
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi all,
      I was thinking about something London said about research showing how psychic energy can cause change in readings in a different room.
      What I am going to say now may not sound scientific, but I am not a scientist. However, Einsteing believed in psychic energy, believing that thoughts could physically travel in some way through time and space. Furthermore, one of the individuals who discovered DNA (Crick, I think), believed that it had an inherent language, in the true sense of the word.
      Then I thought I remembered reading something that Cliff Mickelson alluded to, about the very strange way this new infection can sort of interact with one’s thinking patterns, and I did not get the sense that he only meant the ‘brain fog’. I think the latter is due to allergens etc. being released into the blood stream by the fibers, larvae etc., especially when under threat. This is why you will feel much better if you remove as much as you can every day, and if you take the required medication.
      I think this may be some kind of cloning technique that seems very different to me. I wonder if, because the infection seems to take place predominantly in the hair follicles, (and then grow up the length of the hair shaft, just like tinea capitas), if it is in some way actually combining with the affected person’s stem cells, to the extent that the individual’s DNA becomes actually entwined with it. I think there is a very complicated chemical chain reaction that sets in, as the person’s stem cells combine with the interloper to grow skin and hair, guided by the sensors of the lepidoptera, the actions of the dermatophytes, and the quorum sensing bacterial infection. I think that something like a constant ongoing pumping of some kind of suppressive agent must be taking place, (a bit like the donor’s stem cell transplant given to the lady who received the face transplant), because the reaction of individuals to this partly foreign living breathing tissue is not overwhelming, (just hellish).
      I think it might be worth, in addition to relentless treatment, taking control of this borg by talking to it, (mentally, not out loud). Tell it you know that it wishes to form human skin and hair, but its DNA, in parts, are too insect like, plant like or animal like. Keep combing your hair, and tell these parts to go, visualising spinning cells and chemical steps whizzing around, but in the direction that you want, e.g. parts of it may change to become more human like, as the alien DNA fails. Then visualise the cells from your immune system dealing with all of this, and learning from the new improved DNA, which then together forcibly combine to oust the borg DNA even more ruthlessly. However, do not be confrontational, but be very firm, and tell it that it must go back to its space craft (or whatever).
      Crick believed in the latter thing too!
      I know, in a sense, this is nonsense, but if you act as though you believe it, it might work. This is because this infection is genetically programmed to ‘become’ human tissue, so it could well respond to your inner language.
      Try it, and if it works let me know, as I have other visualisation tricks up my sleeve.
      Remember the islanders who survived the Tsunami. Sometimes, even though what you ‘believe’ is nonsense, the actions can be right. Remember that many animals survived also, so there is something in telepathy in times of extremis.

    • #35068
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Cilla,

      I think you have something there. I believe we are going into the psychic realm in some ways, don’t you?

      I know somewhere in my “stuff” I have a study or investigation into controlling thoughts, a neurobiochemoelectrical something or other.

      Will see who was doing it and where.

      But, we have power over our own thoughts.

      So, I will try it.

      Thanks,

      Skytroll

    • #35069
      London
      Participant

      Cilla,

      t has been hypothesized that the body’s primary gamma emitter, potassium-40 (K40), represents a “self-regulation” of energy within the body and the surrounding electromagnetic field.24

      London

    • #35070
      yyz
      Participant

      TamTam said:

      Anxiety may heighten the ability to observe: a form of fixation.

      If this includes disturbing sensory perceptions in the form of recurrent irritation or pain a most threatening situation comes into existence as consult for advise results in a form of ex-communication.

      The novel disease that at this moment affects an unprecedented number of people can be compared with the history of Helicobacter Pylori.

      Is this a clue that should be looked at more closely? Or is he just saying not to become so emotionally stressed about it so as to avoid the dreaded DOP diagnosis? As to the H. Pylori reference, I believe it was thought at one time that H. Pylori could not exist in a gastric environment and also that H. Pylori in recent years has been connected to Acne Roseaca (stress related possibly?)

      Anyone care to elaborate? TamTam? Anyone?

      yyz

    • #35072
      Barz
      Participant

      Yes, YYZ. just google those words. I came up with METHOD OF FORMING TISSUE INGROWTH ON SURGICAL IMPLANTS. Artificial skin perhaps?

    • #35075
      London
      Participant

      Hey yyz

      I was wondering what that comment meant to and I even took part of it to possibly mean something totally off the science realm. He could be of course referring to ” cell to cell communication”, but one could look at it thru the eyes as if he were saying to us that he cannot risk chance of
      himself being found out . I highly doubt the latter is true, but one never knows.
      PS: One can’t always say what they want on the internet. We all know that this is being traced. But you know what? Maybe the same goes for them.

      How did you take it? Obviously not like I but what’s your thoughts?

      London

    • #35076
      London
      Participant

      Barz,

      Back some pages we discuss this artificial skin taking over our body/pores, at least I believe it was on this forum. I at least know I posted something about it About two weeks ago. I thought they might need it for robots-you know, the cool remote control type. hehe

      I’m sure these machines are already in use. I did see a description with the mechanical workings . I can send it to you if you’d like.

      But with regards to the helicobacteria, the only other thing that may play a part is the fact that it’s the only bacteria of an entire family that can infect both the human gastric system as well as the mammals.

      London

    • #35077
      London
      Participant

      Jill, I just read your post about C. Elegan’s. I have a massive amount of documents on it if you’re interested. I even have a short video if it monving. I have known I had it since /Sept. and started gathering stuff on it back then.

      I think it’s weird that I was the only one who saw this on their body and had it confirmed. I told everyone on other board before T.giving that I might could help out by stating I knew what worm was involved but that was asked of me not to say anything due to Southcity being on to something hot and that the info. I had might ruin it for him.

      Anyway, I did get this medically diagnosed. The day I saw it I staired for like an hour. It was bright white and smooth looking and get this- It had black eyes with bright red lips. I watched it thru my scope in amazement.

      Talk to you later- London

      TamTam,

      If you see this well I would like you to know that I was able to find Mr. Blake that you referred us to a couple weeks back.

      I sawhim in a photograph. It was beautiful photo. Well preserved.
      Blake was standing there smiling with his friend Alvin right below him looking at an old map. It looked like the photo was taken in the carribean
      somewhere but I’m not too sure. There was this tall ridge in the distance so that kind of confused me. Nota bene

      So were not comparing this to “Innate Immunity”? That is fine with me. It is too difficult anyway from a laymans standpoint.

      I think I’m going to just stick to my easy way of sayingwhat’s wrong with us. The soil, air, and water is bad due to the goverment using the animals
      chemicals to make fuel.

      Our Nitrogen is a wreck, thus ruining the soil and the crops. The DOE was behind all of it.

      Hey, I saw where the stocks are hot right now for this genoming stuff.

      If you do see this, could you perhaps guesstimate the % of people that
      are capable of showing symptoms of this.

      And lastley, if this fiber disease is contagious, won’t the person that’s newly acquiring it be less effected and bothered by symptoms?

      I would appreciate this information if you possibly would indulge.

      London

    • #35093
      C3
      Participant

      I think Mr. Barz has a found a point.

      But again,
      The target is a construct (like a simulation model)intended for medical industrial and military spin of.

      Its architecture has a broad base to deduct from
      “a multi purpose construction”

      Also the target may represent unintentional release.
      How it performs represents its status at a specific moment in time.
      I estimate this status from about 1978.

      Also the target shows connection with e.g nerve cell,
      “simply” because (multi cellular) life can not be without organized type sensing- and do not forget,- the target simulates interaction.

      One click in the construct could yield e.g a nerve agent.
      e.g a protein as base for production of e.g soman.

      Another click could yield a base for cartilage

      A few clicks more could form a base for bio sensor, micro flight….
      a calculator!

      Do not interpretate artificial tissue with a clumb foreign flesh.
      I mean artificial tissue in the form of (adaptive) protein that evades the immune system and that regulates.

      Because genesis of well organized multi cellular entities is fact,
      one- or more than one- hox gene must be present.

      If this hox gene is mammal like(what seems to be the case) a connection could exist between infection and its distribution pattern in (and on) the human body.

      Sincerely.

      tamtam

    • #35094
      yyz
      Participant

      London,

      Those of us who are afflicted know there is something foreign in our skin, bodies, and tissue. But trying to convey that to someone who is not symptomatic is easier said than done. It is hard to stand back and do nothing so we become obsessive about it. A fixation.

      As we continue to obsess, self-diagnose, perform self surgery, etc., the easier it is for those who are not afflicted to ostracize us.

      Personally, I believe the fight must continue, but our tactics have to be adjusted to accommodate each individual situation and those around us.

      For me, I am trying to lower my stress, lessen my anger, listen more to what my body is telling me, and most importantly, trust and encourage my body’s ability to heal itself. The latter has always been very difficult for me. I have always felt my body has let me down. I have always felt it was my fault and sometime I have even blamed my creator. Now I know better. 1978 Hmm? I had a skin graph in 1977 and that is when it all started for me. Maybe I was a test subject.

      I am down to one lesion right now, and I am continuing to fight it. But not with anger or stress, but instead with determination and the belief that I am in control.

      I think Cilla is possibly onto something, but I will simplify it like this: Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.

      And, as far as ex-communication is concerned. We need to out-fox the fox and use tact to the best of our abilities. This has to apply to family, friends, peers, employers, government, and especially medical professionals.

      On the H. Pylori, this is the best that I came up with

      http://www.faseb.org/opar/pylori/pylori.html

      yyz

    • #35096
      yyz
      Participant

      TamTam,

      Please if you can, explain the significance to the outer ear channel that you earlier spoke about. If I didn’t know better I would swear it is TMJ… but I think that I do know better.

      I have a feeling that your real answer could frighten some of us. Please elaborate.

      Thanks,
      yyz

    • #35103
      London
      Participant

      Dear yyz,

      Thanks for your informative post. I think we should be scared. I think I know more than I want to know.

      I think I might not post anymore. I think I could be bought to shut up, I think this, I think that…..mind is trying to decide.

      Do you know that you can pay for things to be found? A search for a contract for example? It cost some bucks but to some it is worth it.

      What’s the big deal with paying from $5000. on up if it saves your company millions? Nothing. What’s the big deal for us as individuals to do the same? Simply that $5000. is a lot of money that wont save our company anything.

      Why does he write under two alias’s ? I think I am being ignored for a certain reason. I almost can feel it. I wish I didn’t know because what the hell good is it going to do? I can’t fix it. I can adapt and hope that possibly I will be lucky-that my body will respond to this. I have not begun this process yet but I see that you have and that Cilia has too. (I’m sure Cilia knows but makes her post sound as if she doesn’t) I will need to reread all her post. I have got one product that I know will help if my body responds but I’ve been so busy I have not began to use.

      Will start new regime when I come back from a trip I am taking in just a few minutes from now. Thing is that I hate being healthy or the striving to be part. I even hate our body’s most required nutrient-water. I love wine-yet another vice…..

      Yyz please feel free to correspond via PM’s with me. I will be back in a couple of days and will check in. Hopefully sooner if I have technology capabilities near.

      All people have to do is use wireless internet and bump-off someone elses
      computer so that theirs won’t be traced. If I post in future, this is possibility for me.

      About the sickness i.e., what we should be afraid of knowing….I believe it
      is the fact that this agent has the ability to effect people with various
      illnesses. From the flue to menigitis, to TB, to the big one HIV-

      If we’re a carrier of the molecular cry-5?? gene, ( I’m not looking at my notes, please excuse, but this is the one that says whether or not your body will be able to never contract/ wont show symtoms to the HIV. That’s the big thing I feel is it.

      I do not know if I have this antigen or not. Have not had the time to check yet as this is all (knowlege of) being found just recently. Need to quit researching now and focus, read and absorb what I have.

      And one more thing, this is my opinion,

      Hopefully will talk to you soon. You seem legit. I wish I would have never searched for information. And you know what else? I do not understand the purpose of someones clues. Why the wait? I think they have to until the big event is completed. I do not know what this is, but I do think it is big money. A patent transaction perhaps? I think it will be coming near a close any day now. But who knows? I don’t.

      yyz, please, if you answer that above question back, please do so thru private messages. Would not want to risk being the bearer of unfortunate knowlege for anyone. Is this his game?

      He may be helping- I think so. But why the wait? One must ask themselves this. Why not just say it and then people could get the help at the best of their ability. What’s the purpose of waiting-throwing us hints if he’s trying to help? Does not add up does it? unless, of course it is the money/contract involved.

      Bet he does not respond to this question in any way. I appreciate the help but now there is really nothing we can do by knowing anyway.

      Important….keep in mind I do not have my documents/notes with me as I write this, but I read just yesterday and only skimmed it before I fell asleep. It said not even 175 thousand ( or millions) doses of radiation would stop this beast.

      Again, I can be bought to go away. Probably will be gone soon via another route that is not so nice, but hey, lI have info recorded and secured.

      Later yyz and thank you-

      London

    • #35104
      Barz
      Participant

      Interesting articles on RNA interference. Methods use different vectors for different outcomes.

    • #35106
      London
      Participant

      Yes Barz that’s what I have been saying! RNAi.

      It is what they are using. It is screwing with the world in a bad way.

      London

    • #35108
      Barz
      Participant

      adding multi-cellularity to Tierra

    • #35112
      southcity
      Participant

      Cilla quoted above

      “and tell these parts to go, visualising spinning cells and chemical steps whizzing around, but in the direction that you want”

      Yes, Cilla I believe this is very important as the mind is so very powerful and the power of thought and visualisation is undervalued by many.. I have done this since the beginning of this illness. I tell my system to be very aware of this things presence and to put the production of the most potent agents the immune system is able to produce into overtime.. I just picture pumps churning out stuff that these things cant stand. whether or not the effects are imaginary or truly physical, this has helped.

    • #35121
      C3
      Participant

      For Mrs. Elegans

      [minstrels] The Sick Rose — William Blake
      Poet :, William Blake. Date :, 14 Sep 2000. 1stLine:, O Rose, thou art sick! …
      O Rose, thou art sick! The invisible worm That flies in the night, …
      http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/546.html – 13k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #35123
      C3
      Participant

      comprehensive article:

      Krasilnikov: Part 1, Section 5
      Genus Mycococcus. In their external appearance the mycococci resemble micrococci,
      or, more strictly, mycobacteria in their last phase of growth. …
      http://www.soilandhealth.org/01aglibrary/ 010112Krasil/010112krasil.pt1.sect5.html – 80k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #35124
      C3
      Participant

      If yyz makes the statement to know this type infection since(197?)
      Could You let the forum know where you are located?

    • #35130
      yyz
      Participant

      Nebraska, United States of America

    • #35135
      southcity
      Participant
      quote C3:

      First video/still images of the” fiber disease”

      http://www.crossinglines.net/The%20caus … efault.htm

      Note: you need to use internet explorer as your browser to view this link and accept active content. if you do not wish to do this right click on this link and choose “save as” then save to your harddrive. http://crossinglines.net/video%20page/V … 202005.avi

      C3- still have not recieved it? any input?

    • #35138
      C3
      Participant

      yyz,

      How are you,

      And is this an accurate estimation of the location and time you must have been exposed?

      Other friendly questions:

      You swim?
      Have been in the army?
      Was stationed in Europe?
      Or in close contact with people of this region?
      What are the first symptoms according to you?
      You have/ had IBS?

      tamtam

    • #35141
      C3
      Participant

      Chapter 4. HUMAN HEALTH ASPECTS
      Toxic Cyanobacteria in Water: A guide to their public health … Catterall, W.
      1980 Neurotoxins that act on voltage-sensitive sodium channels in excitable …
      http://www.who.int/docstore/ water_sanitation_health/toxicyanobact/ch12.html – 126k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #35142
      C3
      Participant

      for above mentioned reference try google:

      Chapter 4. HUMAN HEALTH ASPECTS

    • #35143
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      Oh Mr . c-3,

      You seem to be a little peeved today. I just simply answered someone
      elses question. I also stated I thought you were helping. So what’s bothering you?

      Thank you for your Blake answer but the fact is: 1. Someone on another forum had already given us that and 2) That is not all Blake represents.

      Does Barbados not ring a bell? Deep down in the ocean. You must remember the Blake Ridge and all the toxins they brought up from there. The used the submersible machine called the Alvin.

      Why did you ask yyz where he was from? I hope to maybe help him. Maybe he lives right by a nuclear plant. Maybe he was in the army- you know all the waste from those tanks are pretty bad. Where are you from? Will you tell the forum this? I am sure you reside in the usa currently. Well, I bet I could even guess your profession.

      and oh, could you please elaborate to the forum about the blueprint you stated you had in front of you? I think you said that you did not mean in print either. Do you have this? I hope this is the case and that you were not the one that created it.

      Ms elegans will certainly stop bothering you if you will only answer the above questions or send to Pmessage box.

      London

      PS yyz, I’m not at home and can not open my PM from here

    • #35144
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      does anyone care to discuss the hox genes? I must have missed that entire page where Tam Tam posted that.

      The ESC-E(Z) complex of the Drosophilia melanogaster Polycomb group repressors is a histone H3 methyltransferase. This comples silences the fky Hox genes and elated HMT ases control germ line development in worms, flowering plants, and X inactivation in mammals.

      London

    • #35149
      yyz
      Participant

      TamTam said:
      How are you,
      –crappy, thanks for asking… and yourself?

      And is this an accurate estimation of the location and time you must have been exposed?
      –this is what i believe and what i remeber, yes…. 3rd degree burn on lower right leg oct ’76, graphed feb ’77, slow to heal, very painful, lots of pustules, very fibrous, deep dark pitlike lesions with a central black core, strange scabs both from graphed burn and left leg where graph was taken from, scabs generally were very hard and flat, sometimes with shiny plate over the top, felt like it was welded on, little yellowish white balls inside, hard and seed-like… central nebraska, hay fields, corn fields, crop dusting, rivers, streams, interstate lakes, ponds, gravel roads, thunder storms, tornados, blue skies, sunshine, and i don’t know what else

      Other friendly questions:

      You swim?
      –yes, i did… in rivers and interstate lakes, but fished in ponds

      Have been in the army?
      –no, never

      Was stationed in Europe?
      –no

      Or in close contact with people of this region?
      –no, not that i know of

      What are the first symptoms according to you?
      –slow to heal wound(s) and lesions, very oily skin and scalp, symetrical lesions on legs, arms, shoulders, back, chest, and face, gynocomastia (surgically corrected later), mild scoliosis of the spine, depression, anger, red eyes (constantly accused of toking)

      You have/ had IBS?
      –at that time no, not that i can remember, but the last 15 years or so, yes… not officialy diagnosed, but bouts of heartburn and/or indegestion that come and go… severe discomfort in my left temporal mandibal joint after eating which persists until i fast… popping in my ears, ringing in my ears, burning/throbbing in my left ear sometimes… all have gotten worse lately

      TamTam,
      Thanks for your concern.

      London,
      Thanks for your concern.

      Everybody,
      Thanks for your concern.

      As for me, still sick and confused…

      Sprawling on the fringes of the city
      In geometric order
      An insulated border
      In between the bright lights
      And the far unlit unknown

      Growing up it all seems so one-sided
      Opinions all provided
      The future pre-decided
      Detached and subdivided
      In the mass production zone
      Nowhere is the dreamer or the misfit so alone

      Subdivisions
      In the high school halls
      In the shopping malls
      Conform or be cast out
      Subdivisions
      In the basement bars
      In the backs of cars
      Be cool or be cast out
      Any escape might help to smooth the unattractive truth
      But the suburbs have no charms to soothe the restless dreams of youth

      Drawn like moths we drift into the city
      The timeless old attraction
      Cruising for the action
      Lit up like a firefly
      Just to feel the living night

      Some will sell their dreams for small desires
      Or lose the race to rats
      Get caught in ticking traps
      And start to dream of somewhere
      To relax their restless flight
      Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights…
      –Neil Peart

      yyz

    • #35150
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      yyz

      That was cool. So he wrote to you?

      Hey, I have a question. When he said the 3 as in C3 represented Trypo? whatever it was, well why was the # 3 used for this? I must have missed something.

      Please let me know your take on this. I found a meaning the other day of C3 so I was wondering if it at all correlated to this meaning of his-

      Thank you-

      London

    • #35151
      yyz
      Participant

      London,

      He has not written me directly… only what you see on this forum.

      I thought the 3 meant sporotrichoid diseases. I don’t know if trypanosomiasis falls into this category. Doesn’t seem to from any of the literature.

      What is your take or alternate definition?

      Thanks,
      yyz

    • #35152
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      As far as 1979:

      Lipopolysaccharides, cell wall components of gram-negative bacteria, are pyrogenic (fever-causing agents) and toxic (Weckesser and Drews, 1979). In Sewickley, Pennsylvania, an outbreak of gastro-enteritis is suspected to have been caused by cyanobacterial LPS (Lippy and Erb, 1976; Keleti et al., 1979).

      yyz,

      i AM OUT OF TOWN, THUS DO NOT HAVE MY DOCUMENTS IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I WILL REMEMBER TO POST THIS ASAP-probably by Mon.pm

      London

    • #35153
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      YYZ, oh, excuse me, I did have it with me re C3:

      C3 DEFICIENCY SYNDROMES: As the focal point in the complement system, C3 participates in numerous effector mechanisms responsible for inflammation and host defence. Consequently it is not surprising that C3 deficiency leads to multiple, severe derangements including immune complex disease, impaired immune responses, impaired chemotaxis, reduced opsonophagocytosis and abnormal serum bactericidal activity. As with classical component deficiencies, these individuals are at increased risk for rheumatologic disease, 79% demonstrating a lupus-like syndrome or systemic vasculitis (310,313). These individuals have a striking disposition to severe and recurrent infections caused primarily by encapsulated organisms, which first manifests itself at an early age. Of all patients reported with this deficiency, 79% have had at least one episode of bacterial infection, particularly sinopulmonary infection, bacteremia or meningitis (310,313).

      Most patients with C3 deficiency have pronounced susceptibility to bacterial infection (320). Cutaneous vasculitis, SLE-like symptoms and glomerulonephritis have also been observed. A dysfunctional form of C3 has recently been identified in a patient with SLE-like disease (321). Deficiency of the alternative pathway control proteins, factor I or factor H, leads to C3 hypercatabolism and secondary C3 deficiency (322,323). Factors H and I are primarily responsible for the down regulation of the fluid phase, alternative pathway C3 convertase. In the absence of either of these proteins the spontaneous formation of the C3 convertase goes unchecked, leading to C3 consumption and depletion. Although C3 consumption predisposes to immune complex syndromes, the small amount of residual C3 in the serum of persons lacking these factors seems to lessen their risk of these disorders.

      London

    • #35154
      yyz
      Participant

      Thanks London,

      I think you might have picked up that post/link from me. I posted that awhile back on another forum when we were in search of C3.

      yyz

    • #35156
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      Actually, I got it when I was reading about commensialism (SP?) but I’m curious as to what website and when you posted it, just to compare notes.
      I just read about it about 5 days ago if that’s any reference or not.

      Well, what do you think about it anyway?

      What I wanted to know was why he said that C reps cyano, then 3 reps trypos—-That funny looking thing. why would he say that 3 reps this?

      Also, whomever post that post about on page 10??? of this forum, stating that Dr. Martin and his alternative cellular energy pigments….well I watched as that poster changed their name and also deleted their post. I think there is more than one tam tam. The way they write is so different.
      One4 is more patient and one is more pissy. We’re the only damn ones that should be pissy unless they have this to.

      Did you see-just like I said …he would not address the issue at hand and then if things start heating up, an old regular will pop in. Have you noticed that also?

      You want to know where a really strange university is located that I have kept up with for the last little while? For the life of me I do not know what I had typed onto google to find this university but it was the same night that I was searching on 3 mi. island and Chernobal, etc., see if you can find it. It’s european.

      London

    • #35157
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      The Department of Energy operated three gaseous diffusion plants (Paducah, Kentucky; Portsmouth, Ohio; and Oak Ridge, Tennessee) where they enriched uranium for nuclear weapons and power plants; creating depleted uranium as a by-product. Some or all of these plants received uranium extracted from spent nuclear fuels for recycling in the ’50s, ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s. Uranium extracted from spent nuclear fuels included low levels of transuranics (americium, neptunium, and plutonium), technetium-99, and uranium-236. The gaseous diffusion process concentrates these contaminants in the enriched uranium and decreases the levels in the depleted uranium so that only trace quantities remain. The DoE plants have established maximum allowable levels for radioactive contaminants in the enriched uranium extracted from recycled nuclear fuel. Routine monitoring has documented contaminant levels below these allowable levels in post-1980 sampling. DoE’s plant at Fernald has received and/or shipped loads from almost all of the DU produced by the gaseous diffusion plants and tested subsets. These data, included in a draft DoE report dated June, 2000, indicate that radioactive contaminants increase the radiation dose from the DU itself by less than 1 percent. This result agrees with the U.S. Army’s testing of the DU used in its armor plate for the Abrams Heavy Tank.

      London

    • #35158
      yyz
      Participant

      London,

      http://lymebusters.proboards39.com/inde … 569&page=2

      halfway down the page or so

      yyz

    • #35159
      yyz
      Participant

      London,

      Worth a look if you havn’t already.

      http://www.s3support.com

      I’ll keep looking. At least until the nice men in the dark SUVs pull up to take me. Can’t wait… wish somebody would take me somewhere.

      yyz

    • #35160
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      Hey, I had ne4ver opened that hyperlink you posted on Lbusters, but It is the same exact website. I only used it tonight b/c I don’t have any papers with me and I knew Skytroll had it hyperlinked it a couple of pages back on this forum.But I sure wish I had seen it when you posted it. Yes, 3 support is full if info. The only thing is that Dr. wrote /produced two journal publications on the same dayte. Jan15th maybe. I thought this was weird-
      men in black-funny. 🙂

      Goodnite

      London

    • #35178
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      Don’t know if this is relevent, it’s about BSE Infection. Also Scrapie. Very interesting. Causes severe mental problems then eventually, death.

      I do remember quite a while back as I was researching something that TamTam said, and I found it quite odd that my google search results would pull up mental institutions for the answer. One particular was located in Canada. Here’s more….

      CJD presents as a subacute dementia, evolving over weeks to several months and is accompanied by pyramidal, extrapyramidal, and cerebellar signs. The mean age of death is 57 years but the disease may occur in the late teens and early twenties. At various stages of the progression of the disease, myoclonus with periodic sharp-wave complexes in the EEG appear. In the final stages of the disease, there is an incapacitating dementia, usually with severe myoclonus. Patients with GSS present initially with ataxia or dementia and deteriorate inexorably to death over 1 to 10 years. Protease resistant PrP and PrP immunoreactive plaques with characteristic morphology accumulate in the brains of patients with GSS.

      London

    • #35180
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Hey there Elmo,

      Tam Tam mentioned something about folding proteins. This happens with CJD and mad cow.
      Also entanglements in Alzheimers comparable to mad cow. In the 80’s there was a bunch of it and it was buried in news. I saw the cows.

      They kept falling, just like I almost do. I never wanted to be a cow.

      This has gone from left side of body to right now.
      Hip gives out, can’t kneel on knee, right arm
      extensior, wrists, and tooth ache on right side.

      HmmmmmmmmmmmmUnfolding and folding of Prions, a protein………

      Well now, we have come full circle. In an article I read in a science mag, they talked about the cow having the biggest biofilm production going on, right it the cow’s gut.

      Well now, could it be?

      http://www.mad-cow.org/~tom/structural_studies.html

      also found this yyz and elmo.

      http://www.pivot.net/~jpierce/proteome_project.htm

      Interesting things out on the web of delight……

      skytroll

    • #35181
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      Oh yeah, It was related to spongiform encephalitis of Bovine. I just don’t think we have all got the same damn bacteria in us.

      So many different patents. I will check out your above hyperlinks.

      What I thought too was interesting comes from the swine- especially the VEE type from the Brazilian swine. It matched better than the one that has been established in North America.

      London

    • #35182
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      So Captain Tam,

      1. What do you say to the other c3 that we posted about? any good?

      Tam, now don’t you quit on us, we need you. That blueprint too.

      Mr. Tam I’ve been reading about PHB copolymers. That damn company Metabolix Inc. and Oliver Peoples is just something, is it not? They even developed engineered plant systems for PHA production in an integrated biomass biofinery.

      Why they even structured a strategic alliance for commercialization of fermentation technology.

      I bet you already knew this. You still mad at me? I’m sorry I made you angry. As I said, just PM me and tell me to stop and I will!

      Oh, yes, throw out your opininion of DU for us as well. We all know they used this on the Gulf war vets.

      Thank You London

      PS everyone…..Here’s some news that’s a fact…..

      When I was in Switzerland in the year of 98, well guess who else was there attending an all girls boarding school? Yes, one of the Bush lil darlings. That is a fact I saw with my own eyes!

      London

    • #35183
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      A collaborative genomic project investigating Rhodococcus sp. RHA1 was recently initiated. This project involves Julian Davies, Lindsay Eltis, and myself. Rhodococci are aerobic, gram-positive actinomycetes of high G+C content, capable of morphological differentiation in response to their environment (e.g., cocci or filaments). These widely occurring organisms are of considerable environmental and biotechnological importance due to their unique and diverse metabolic capabilities. These capabilities have pharmaceutical, environmental, chemical and energy applications. Goals of the project include elucidating metabolic networks of RHA1 and their regulation as well as elucidating responses of RHA1 to environmental conditions. This work will enable a much improved understanding of the ecology of RHA1 and related organisms and will greatly facilitate metabolic engineering of RHA1 for the above applications. The RHA1 genome sequence is being determined in collaboration with the Genome Sequence Center. We are undertaking functional genomic studies of RHA1 using DNA microarrays and proteomic methods. This project is funded by Genome Canada and Genome BC.

      My, my,

      London

    • #35184
      elmoscubas
      Participant

      I think I got something hot…..Pseudomonias!

      london

    • #35193
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      Tardigrades, cute little buggers aren’t they?

      They morph too.

      Vectors, plant/insect

      Zebra muscles, how they eat that plankton.

      How they keep the mycocystis going. Keep on producing that purple blooming.

      DNR awake yet?

      skytroll

    • #35194
      Skytroll
      Participant

      It seems the hidden science is about to come forth. Pasteur’s ideas were not necessary right?

      It seems Bechamps Theory of mycrozymias is now being used as a weapon against the very people it was to help. Why all the big hoopla on fermentation. Once you start fermentation on the earth itself what comes next? Well yeast is plentiful, fungi is plentiful, algae is plentiful, but, when the molds set in, probably pseudomonas become very active.

      With Bechamp, it goes like this…….

      First you have to have the bacteria, then fermentation with the right PH for fermentation takes place, then yeasts come in because of the fermentation, viruses are vectored in by tardigrades, collembola, gnats,
      because they are plentiful when the fermentation starts. Then you have the always waiting algae vectored in by the water bears, jumping fleas, and flying gnats, fruitflies, and any bug that picks up the fermentation and hand delivers it to you, or you have the genomed flyworm, or the chimera bugs, mixture of different bugs, self assembly bugs, bacteriophages, black carbon whatever.

      Now again, bacteria, fermentation, yeast, fungi, algae, and the final stage mold. Intermingled in there are viruses that keep the fermentation and the stages morphing. I wonder if Darwin ever met Bechamp. It would have been an interesting conversation.

      The process of dying.

      Bechamp was right. Germ theory is a hoax.

      What we do not know can hurt us. Read about Bechamp and those who followed his protocol. It is time these scientists whose works have been buried, be brought out into the open. For instance, the scientist who studied microbe theory as cause for cancer, she was never recognized for that.

      The buried science has to be brought out into open. The Rockefellers, Rothchilds, went from oil to medical, and whatever made money, had nothing to do with helping people based on wrong theory. Today, the Ford Foundation, The Carter Foundation, the Calisle Foundation, the Danforth Science Center, the Monsanto group, the Bayer Group, the Syngenta Group, funny how all these work together to control the entire earth, it’s food, its water, all in the the Metabolic processes we call life.

      The biggest lie has been the germ theory itself.

      If not why then does PH balance make a difference? Why does ozone work? Why did the Priore machine work, why does colon cleansing help rid us of fermentation? Why does the zapper work? Why does infrared, ultraviolet, etc. Why are natural Codex Alimentarius controlling natural products. Why is nature itself being attacked?

      What is biomass, poop fermenting, we are recycling poop for fuel. I remember when cowpoop was used as fertilizer and it was safe, because it mixed in the soil, where it belonged, it never grew into plants, it never destroyed roots, it never destroyed the soil, but now with BT BA biopolymer agents, genetically altered seeds, genetically-produced worms, insects and we are recycling poop into the air which then makes it hazardous to everyone and everything. It is not real poop. It is genetically altered poop.

      Oh my, it is simple my dear Watson, but, those preppies decided there was a better way, lets recycle poop. However, the agriculture poop has been modified by those who think this is the only way. Now. we are adding enzymes to make the genetically modified poop move and ferment even more, then put it in the air.

      I say back to the outhouse, my dear Watsons.

      Enders Game. There is a book out with that title. Worth the read.

      My question is this…..When did the so-called secular intelligent gaia peoples join hands with the money-grubbing Intelligent Design folks? When it came to controlling the population and the earth itself. I do not think that the Almighty had this in mind. We are to be stewards of the earth. We are to take care of it, not alter it. That is not nature’s true way.

      The UN, just what is it? What does it do? Where has it left it’s grubby paws and when did they join forces with the family controlled grubby
      money controlled neos?

      Who is actually controlling all of this?

      It all boils down to control. Good science goes out the window, good becomes bad and bad becomes good.

      You students out there, keep your eyes and ears open and hear it all because you have it in your hands to question what is really going on.
      Ask those professors why this or that theory is the controlling theory.

      Is it because of peer concensus or is it true science based on proposed theory, hypothesis and proof. Keep that in mind.

      There is a black box of concensus by scientists that overules truth.

      Please educate yourselves on hidden science. It is out there.

      skytroll

    • #35195
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Any of you seen this?

      Thank you Don Croft and others……

      http://www.metatech.org/cloudbuster_&_o … rator.html

      I made a coil, seemed to help for a while, but was too small.

      skytroll

    • #35213
      yyz
      Participant

      Hey TamTam,

      I hope you were not offended by my answers the other day. They were honestly the truth as I can re-collect. I am sorry that I was in a bad mood. Many people are counting on you. I for one am.

      Before the lesion on my back got out of control, it distinctly bore a specific pattern in the surrounding tissue. The pattern was that of the tanned chitin image from the video. No where else have I seen that before. When I saw the video, I knew I had found my disease. That, among other things, is why you have my credibility.

      I know there must be a “method to your madness”. It is all too easy for us who are sick to forget that.

      Please, if you can, continue to help this cause.

      Sincerely,
      yyz

    • #35239
      showmeproof
      Participant

      London, skytroll

      It should be pointed out that you have turned a thought provoking semi credible topic into a circus act. I no longer will consider this particular thread as having any particular direction. you are all over the place and your high number of posts appear to be driven by psychosis and not out of research based logic. To say it mildly, what you managed to do is confuse the hell out of an already confusing topic. Until proof of a physical cause is shown, based on the number of rambling posts, this “illness” shows many signs being psychological disorder.

    • #35242
      Skytroll
      Participant

      You know when people don’t succeed at perpetuating the lie of science, they will do anything to discredit those who know things and stick their necks out. You will attack psychologically because that always works doesn’t it?

      Do you have the POLITICALLY CORRECT way of doing this? What would meet your approval?
      Are we not CHRISTIAN enough? Are we not rich enough, smooth talking enough? Elitist? We can’t fit in those societies, can we? We are not accepted.

      We are ostracized by society already. You just added your name to the bunch. Our psychs are okay. You seem to have some problems.

      You want proof. It is on my body. I have the scars. I have the lesions. I see the black fibers, the red fibers, the clear, white and blue ones.

      But, you like any of the doctors will say we are DOP, will attack psychologically. People turn to using psychological tags to attack people who are already put down by the very profession that is failing them. What a great way to keep lies going. We discuss, we ask questions. We are not the experts on this, the people who created such monsters, who are all part of the biogeochemphysics of all of this know what is going on. We are just stabbing at theories.

      But, in the process we are finding a lot of disinformation, cruelty and experiments performed by governments, universities and agri business.

      The triangle of deception. WAKE UP YOURSELF!

      What a cop-out. Sure we are all over the place.
      Must be we hit a vein?

      Of course, you are attacking because if you are from the psych field, medical, biological fields, you believe the science junk that is out there.

      Challenge it yourself. You have the tools.

      Correct us where we are wrong then, or are we hitting it close?

      Madcow disease, bioengineered metabolic program,
      Evolutionist Ecological destruction of earth, morphology. Many things are being done to diminish man’s control over himself.

      It seems the medical field is part of this destruction.

      skytroll

    • #35243
      Barz
      Participant

      Good morning Tam Tam,

      Just want to say I’ve got my seatbelt on and my popcorn ready! Where is my movie you promised?

    • #35252
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Showmeproof,

      Here is a good example of the bacteria, yeast, fermentation, viral, fungal, mold infection. The snake eating itself.

      How could this be done on a world stage?First the bacteria, then the sugar causing fermentation, yeast causing it to grow, viral(vaccines)vectored in, fungal sprayed to kill certain weeds, and final mold, killing stage.

      Think of the world as our body.

      If the PH is wrong in our bodies(world) or is sprayed with bacteria or fungus and we eat lots of sugar the stage is set for fermentation to begin. The process for the devolution of the earth will begin.
      Genetically altered seeds, and insecticides will do their jobs, by infecting the chondrit with bacteria in our bodies(world). Then it will proceed.
      Our bodies devolving, the earth devolving. This is not evolution. This is devolution. The earth eating itself, our bodies eating our bodies.

      And this can be done on a grand scale, world wide. Metabolic engineering.

      Here is the Natural Law……….credit to Enderlein from http://www.euroamericanhealth.com

      THE ANARTATIC LAW of Enderlein
      The dependency of the development of microorganisms upon the pH (acid base) of the nutritive medium or the internal melieu is a FUNDAMENTAL LAW called the Anartatic Fundamental Law by Enderlein. As from Blutuntersuchung Im Dunkelfeld nach Prof. Dr. Günther Enderlein;

      The Anartatic Fundamental Principle:
      “For the nationalization (coming together of) of comparative-morphologic units into higher and highest developmental phases, the specific acids PRODUCED by each individual microorganism are the CAUSAL reason for the changes of the internal milieu in the pH, and that is tending to the ACIDIC side. In other words: the RISING steps of the total cyclogeny are accompanied by and dependent on the PROPORTIONATELY DESCENDING pH. That is it demonstrates the summary of the ASCENDING developmental tendency with the ever more DESCENDING pH-value.”
      An interesting point here is that one can never force an advancement by increasing the acidity of the culture medium. This won’t, in and of itself, cause the Protits to stick together and acquire tails and form spheres with nuclei on their edges that finally turn into bacterial and then fungal forms.

      “On the other hand, if one alkalinizes a culture medium already containing fully developed bacterial or fungal forms by adding a little bacterial material or parts of fungal mycelia to a hanging drop of 5% sodium carbonate, which is a strongly alkaline medium with a high pH value, one can immediately observe the formation of the primitive stages, namely in the CHONDRIT STAGE.”

      So higher forms are readily ‘decomposed’ back into the Chondrit Stage, by making them alkaline. So too, if one withdraws blood from a vein through a tube and then run the blood directly into a sugar water solution with 40% ethyl alcohol in it, without exposing it to air, as per Louis Pasteur and Antoine Béchamp, it will begin to ferment. This fermentation produces the acids it needs to continue its evolution, de-evolution, involution, namely lactic and citric acids. The red blood cells begin to decompose. All the above things happen and what you end up with is nothing but Protits. It takes a month or so. Very interesting experiment.

      * * *

      Next I will show how this is being done………

      Skytroll

    • #35256
      Skytroll
      Participant

      This might inform you of what is being done on a grand scale.

      http://biotechnologydomain.com/metabolic_eng.html

      This is where all the government entities, with the help of Universities and agriculture, space and everything else.

      What is the big picture. the end results to be?

      skytroll

    • #35280
      FAITH
      Participant

      Hello everyone,

      I just recently discovered I have Morgellons D. However please excuse me if I dont elaborate on it. I have done enough talking and crying about it. I have read a lot of what you guys have been saying about this and Frankly it has scared me even more. The more I know the more I dont want to know however there has got to be more awareness (as all of you know) What are some ideas that have passed through your heads on this; how can we get this out?

      Also many of you know about the attack on Dr. Schwartz who as been trying to help people. He is the first Dr. that didn’t treat me like I was crazy or rush me out of his office. He seemed very genuinely concerned and had been researching this and treating people based on what he has discovered.

      http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/36451.html

      We need to fight for him he has been trying to fight for us.

      I think we have talked enough about the problem to eachother and we need solutions and action. Does anyone have any ideas or know someone who has experience that can speak for us.

      I know you guys have talents how can we utilize them???

      Sincerely,

      Faith

    • #35283
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Modern view of Enderlein……

      http://www.mold-survivor.com/a_modern_s … ective.htm

      skytroll

    • #35285
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Faith,

      What is Morgellon D and how did you get it diagnosed?

      I do not know how we can get help when the doctors are being taken out from under us.

      I am wondering about this PH balance stuff.
      Many people have given up sugar and have noticed a great improvement.

      I am frustrated too, as are many of us.

      Hang in there, Faith.

      There is supposed to be another video coming out from Tam Tam.

      Hope it helps.

      Skytroll

    • #35293
      FiberSymptoms
      Participant

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    • #35301
      Maggie Mae
      Participant

      That’s the overall desire of the plan is it not? Little mice jumping thru hoops and figuring their way out of the maze…psychotic, indeed. Wish you could be here with us…and we got in for free…didn’t even have to buy a ticket.

      TAMTAM,
      I am sorry for my psychosis, induced and hard to avoid….I appreciate you sticking your neck out when all the microbiologists are being moved to other dimensions.
      This seems to me that it is a remote sensing cloak – when you say communicate between species…like in read our thoughts? Many times I have had a “synchronicity” with others studying this – are we all hooked up together like a hive?
      You also mention skin not the main source….WHAT IS???? Can it be avoided or removed? The meds you mentioned as possibly useful, can they be purchased without a script? Do you yourself have this disease? When the fibers are shooting away from the body, is that the “bird in flight” input? God, I hate to ask what the animal/mammal input was….US?
      How is it that many many times (not always) the sores manifest exactly on the opposite side of the body – like right/left, in unison?
      Neuroworm info was posted on another site a long time ago, and they (Germans) create other insects as well….any similarity there? Just for the record, I ask O Lord protect this TamTam and guide and use him to help all of us trapped in this horrid condition.
      You obviously know about “targets”…so keep moving! (joke)
      Mm

    • #35302
      Maggie Mae
      Participant

      Sabrina,
      It almost seems like some micro version of the movie “Species”…

      Mm

    • #35319
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Dear Maggie Mae,
      More like "The Body Snatchers" if you ask me! 😯

      Showmeproof has a great point that should have been made long ago. Please stop discrediting this disease.

      Skytroll,
      I welcome all of your contributions. I know you know your stuff and work very hard in researching this. Thankyou!

      Hope everyone has a very happy holiday season. 😀

      I feel a lot better now!!! 😀 😀 😀

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #35333
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Thankyou Barz,

      http://www.akasha.de/~aton/GEB.html

      Maybe you ought to read some of this. Then tell me who is nuts.

      Who can describe what nuts is?

      15 years of this stuff and you tend to get that way,
      but, I have gone beyond that and so has London.

      You know people play so many games to protect their arses that they do not see the real picture.

      This is why scientists fight. It is about control, manipulation with words….with misguided directions and lost science and new science.

      One thing is constant……we are always changing.

      I think London is very courageous, as is TAmTam, you, Sabrina, C3, yyz, all of us.

      Don’t start labeling people. That is where trouble always begins.

      Love ya anyway,
      Skytroll

    • #35352
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi all,
      If you have worms, or any other kind of parasite, or their larvae,breeding on you, and releasing their liquids into you, you will at times feel very unwell and desperate. It is quite natural to think irrational thoughts at these acute times, just as anyone would whose body had been jolted out of homeostasis by dehydration, infection or a high temperature for whatever reason. This is your body’s way of telling you that you are not well, so that you can do something about it. In many ways you are in a much more fortunate position than before, because Dr Schwartz has got a good handle on understanding this disease, and he really cares about the suffering being caused. A major leap forward has been provided by Tamtam’s revelations, and in my opinion, we are light years nearer the cure because of these.
      Follow these two great individual’s advice as much as possible, and see your doctor. Much of the rogue fibers can be removed by the local application of fungicides, (creams and shampoos can be purchased from the pharmacy), and you will feel better when you have combed them out of your hair.
      Everybody who contributes to this site has a talent or a specialised knowledge, and we can all learn from each other. Neither London nor Skytroll seem in any way deranged to me. I think that they are highly intelligent, and educated in ways that I am not. They are needed so much. Please do not insult anyone, but, if you do, we must all forgive. The battle is bigger than our sensitivities. Yes, you are Christian enough.
      Please elaborate on what a couple of you said earlier about a Glasgow warehouse. Which Glasgow?
      Sabrina, I am so sorry that your child has this. Are you managing to get any of the internal paediatric medication for him, such as the ones Dr Schwartz adivises?

    • #35356
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi all,
      In you initial management of this infection, why not break it down into its component parts, and treat these accordingly?
      Tinea capitas (ringworm of the scalp, dermatophyte fungal (mold) infection that begins in the hair follicles, so needs systemic (internal) medication). This spreads along the hair shaft, either entwined around the outside, or it can grow up the inside. The dermatophytes grow quickly, becoming hyphae, then myceliae. Topical treatment can dramatically reduce the spores, so is of value. Tinea can spread from the hair to the eyelashes and eyebrows. Fungal eye infections can be dangerous, which is why I think Dr Schwartz is promoting oral Diflucan (fluconazole). If you think you have such an eye infection, see an ophthalmologist as soon as possible, and give them a full history.
      Other websites will advise on how to reduce dermatophytosis, from the body, and from the environment.
      Hypertonic salt solutions will help if applied carefully to the hair, affected parts of the scalp, or nape of the neck. Do not allow these to get in the eye, and do not ingest high amounts of salt, as this can be dangerous.

    • #35494
      tamtam
      Participant

      yyz,

      Thank You for your answer, what was the reason for this graft?
      tumor, accident, infection?

      If you have been diagnozed with coccidioidomycosis, when?

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

      To other readers,

      If You have report or can obtain report from skin biopsy,
      please be so kind to post the diagnosis.

      Also if You have been diagnozed with other type skin disease or condition(….)

    • #35510
      FAITH
      Participant

      Hi Cilla,

      Thank you for your input. I have number of symptoms: although the fibers and dots that were coming out of my skin has decreased significantly. I still feel the worms or (flukes) crawling under my skin and some have moved to my head. It is disturbing to say the least.

      You mentioned hypertonic salt applied to the hair. Does this kill them and do you have any other suggestions for this?

      Faith

    • #35513
      yyz
      Participant

      Hi TamTam,

      The graph was needed because of a third degree burn on my lower right leg. The skin for the graph was taken from the top of my left thigh 3 months after the initial burn. The doctors tried to give it a chance to heal on its own, but when it didn’t, the graph was ordered.

      I have never been cultured positive for any fungus including coccidioidomycosis. I have had 5 fungal cultures total, but all have been negative. The only culture that was ever positive was coag neg staph last summer. But, I believe that was a secondary infection. That culture came from my back. Since then I have taken lots of Bactrim and I just finished a 5 week course of Levaquin 750mg a day. Still not healed.

      Biopsy as follows.
      Reading 1 Oct 6, 2004: Benign skin with ulceration, associated scale crust and perivascular chronic inflammation nonspecific.

      Reading 2 Oct 17, 2004: Pathology showed a pigmented seborrheic keratosis. No fungal elements were identified in PAS stain sections.

      I hope this information is helpful to you somehow, but I fear it is as you said, that this disease is not revealed using current pathological/culture methods.

      I have identified many objects from this lesion (the one on my back) as being the same/similar as many sufferers’ photos scattered across the web.

      And TamTam, please, if you can, explain the significance to the outer ear canal. The left side of my head below the temple at the top of my jaw and back to my ear is in severe pain daily. Even after the 5 weeks of Levaquin.

      Sinus XRay Radiology 5 weeks ago:
      Three views of the paranasal sinuses are evaluated. Visualized paranasal sinuses are pneumatized without significant mucosal edema or air fluid levels. Nasal septum is midline. Nasal bones, as visualized, appear unremarkable. IMPRESSION: WITHIN NORMAL LIMITS.

      Thanks and Merry Christmas,
      yyz

    • #35520
      GregV
      Participant

      TamTam,

      I was just looking over my Medical Records today…
      One result that I never knew of, said that I “Had a Flora growth”
      Contact the Test Center for more Info,

      Which I never knew this until I got my records, finally read them today…

      Should I contact the Lab and enquire,
      Could a Flora be the same as Coccoidiosis?
      ………………………………..

      Okay, got the test in my hands… it says
      Aerobic Bacterial Culture,
      Result 1: Final Report, Skin Flora isolated

      For Inquiries, the Physician may contack: Branch at phone number,

      And I never even knew about this, from January of this year……

      Sincerely,

    • #35521
      GregV
      Participant

      TamTam,

      I was just looking over my Medical Records today…
      One result that I never knew of, said that I “Had a Flora growth”
      Contact the Test Center for more Info,

      Which I never knew this until I got my records, finally read them today…

      Should I contact the Lab and enquire,
      Could a Flora be the same as Coccoidiosis?
      ………………………………..

      Okay, got the test in my hands… it says
      Aerobic Bacterial Culture,
      Result 1: Final Report, Skin Flora isolated

      For Inquiries, the Physician may contack: Branch at phone number,

      And I never even knew about this, from January of this year……

      Sincerely,

    • #35604
      tamtam
      Participant

      yyz,

      Thank you.

      Yes, what you let me know confirms other type observation.
      As you may notice analysis is based on association.
      They simply do not have sufficient parameter.

      You could maybe ask for support with (intra lesional) gentamicine.
      but I think amphotericine B with amikacine would be best.

      Just explain that your lesion best could be associated with as well protothecosis as asymptomatic trypanosomiasis.
      Its a fusion.

      Without a test You will not easily get this type support.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

      ————-

      Greg, flora is near to abstract
      It means commensal resembling micro organisms
      The fact that commensal resembling micro organisms are the cause of what you suffer from is part of the mystery.

    • #35608
      tamtam
      Participant

      yyz,

      If your outer ear channel is involved and you think this may relate to this particular infection I would suggest to try application with essential oil like pinus pinaster or T tree. Turpentines are number one microbe killers (e.g Tamiflu is based on an acid derived from star anise oil)

      Its rather safe.
      First reaction could be activation because the oil will dissolve a crust like film that is formed by the
      micro organisms. You also could try this protocol for your lesion.

      Its what the Greek used to do!

    • #35631
      yyz
      Participant

      Hi TamTam,

      Thank you very much for your input and advice. I have been doing some thinking.

      When you said:
      C= cyano
      3= trypanosoma (its major parasitic protozoa in-put)

      Consistent with observation of multiple culture:
      A trypanosoma like element seems to represent a significant part of this
      cyclical made target.

      “A trypanosoma like element”… Did you mean the order trypanasome, which includes the protozoa that causes Chagas as well as Leishmaniasis? Or, did you explicitly mean trypanasoma, as in Chagas/Sleeping Sickness exclusively?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypanosome

      They look very similar:
      http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~parasite/chagas.html
      http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~paras … osoma.html
      http://www.biosci.ohio-state.edu/~paras … mania.html

      Trypomastigotes:
      http://medlib.med.utah.edu/parasitology … FIP_sm.jpg
      http://medlib.med.utah.edu/parasitology … ouchUp.jpg

      Promastigotes:
      http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/parasito … cobson.jpg
      http://www-medlib.med.utah.edu/parasito … Jacobs.jpg

      Leishmainia Lesions:
      http://www.afip.org/Departments/infecti … index.html
      http://www3.baylor.edu/~Charles_Kemp/hand.jpg
      http://tray.dermatology.uiowa.edu/Leish001.htm
      http://www.acponline.org/graphics/biote … niasis.jpg

      Sporo = “seed”
      Trichoid = “hair like”

      Leishmaniasis is a sporotrichoid disease. Would this explain the spread pattern, the symmetry, and the involvement with the lymph system?

      Chagas, Sleeping Sickness… I hope not. If so, how long before we are all in comas?

      I will be seeing an ID doctor in a few weeks. One I have never seen before. I currently have a script for Sporonox. All I need to do is fill it. But, I havn’t because the ID doc wants me off of everything prior to my appointment.

      TamTam, any more advice or comment would be greatly appreciated. What do I request the doc to culture for?… to stain for?

      Thanks.

      Here are 3000 words.

      yyz


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    • #35636
      yyz
      Participant

      Is it even conceivable to think that these could be genetically modified/enlarged trypanomastigotes or promastigotes? Well… maybe, maybe not.

      I honestly would rather be delusional.

      London,
      I hope you had a Merry Christmas and I hope you come back!

      2000 more words.

      yyz


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    • #35644
      GregV
      Participant

      You know yyz,

      Some months back while I was taking lots of anti-parisitic conglomerations I’d start feeling Great Pinpricks, and when I felt them, I’d find these similar things as are on the pictures, would be poking RIGHT OUT OF THE SKIN, only to die…

    • #35673
      yyz
      Participant

      Greg,

      Extremely painful to remove in my case. They are intermingled/attached to nerves or nerve tissue. In fact, these two specimens were the epicenter of pain in this lesion.

      I have also noticed these similar specimens on your website. But, I am stunned at the degree of resemblence these particular specimens have towards promastigotes. Which, is why I decided to share them.

      A shot of lidocaine and epi would be nice, but you really can’t get a doc to go that route unless it is just a simple punch biopsy. Most choose not to get their hands dirty, and even then, they would not know what they are looking for anyway.

      Macroscopic vermin… how novel and contrite? One might be better able to see the forest if there weren’t so many trees in the way.

      yyz

    • #35689
      tamtam
      Participant

      Size is coded by a gene (ratio)

      What you look at is random recombination by a set quorum sensing micro organisms (thus a multi cellular expression)
      I associate it most with an attempt to grow a wing.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #35692
      FiberSymptoms
      Participant

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    • #35721
      C3
      Participant

      yyz,

      When did you observe fibers and artifacts for the first time?

      All expression can only be related.
      The trypanosoma like element in culture is macroscopic.
      All you show is random recombination by a set quorum sensing elements.

      You show an ulcer and some ulcers are very difficult to cure.
      Do not operate on any type lesion because all will close with integration of foreign adaptive protein. This type tissue may become reactive during effective treatment.

      Ask for a non specific PCR (type test) that could confirm the presence of trypanosoma related DNA

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #35723
      C3
      Participant

      Updated NEW VIDEO FOOTAGE has been made available by southcity.

      The genesis of a fly like entity you may at least associate with hox gene (homeobox)
      connect with:

      http://www.crossinglines.net

      tamtam

    • #35742
      yyz
      Participant

      Hi TamTam,

      Please see below for answers.

      When did you observe fibers and artifacts for the first time?
      –around 1999 or 2000, i once removed a 2 inch long thread/fiber from a small lesion on my right ear lobe, which was somehow connected within my right temple… since then, fibers and artifacts have been rather consistent.
      –prior to that, lesions were as described earlier on this post

      All expression can only be related.
      The trypanosoma like element in culture is macroscopic.
      All you show is random recombination by a set quorum sensing elements.
      –you said insect wing but why do these specimens look so similar to pictures of microscopic trypanosomes?

      You show an ulcer and some ulcers are very difficult to cure.
      Do not operate on any type lesion because all will close with integration of foreign adaptive protein. This type tissue may become reactive during effective treatment.
      –i had to operate, pain was unbearable, but i was not the first… last oct, a plastic surgeon “fixed” this lesion before it was completely healed… it was scar revision surgery, which ultimately, made it worse… have had this lesion going on 20 months now… and, have learned that surgery is not the answer, because, as you can tell, it did not heal well.

      Ask for a non specific PCR (type test) that could confirm the presence of trypanosoma related DNA
      –thanks tamtam, i will.
      –what specific trypanosome species do you think is present?

      Thanks Once Again TamTam,
      yyz

    • #35762
      London
      Participant

      Dear Forum Readers,

      I hope this message finds you well. Due to an unforeseen circumstance, I have not had the chance to use computer technology until today and am only now seeing the direction this “PUBLIC” forum has taken.
      I would like to say thank you to Bartz, Cillia, Skytroll and YYZ for their defensive position they took on my behalf.
      To those readers I have confused, my apologies. There was a
      reasoning behind it. I believe YYZ summed it up best when he gave the advice : “ To always stay one step ahead of them.”
      This was the route I was using. I simply was using “probing techniques” to find out WHY. WHY this was happening. Was someone covering up knowledge we needed to know-taunting us to see if we could indeed unravel the puzzle? Was this person trying to help us in any way? If so, I wanted to know. Why use the route of riddles to do so?
      At times it seemed they wanted us to find out what they knew.
      Well, I had already discovered this answer as I had stated before.
      I was “holding-back”, trying to see if one could gain more knowledge of the situation by getting more information. Hoping that this would somehow help us to heal.

      It’s unfortunate that a reader could not see above this and think to self, “ hey, maybe she’s on to something here and one should just wait and see what unfolds.” Too bad they did not demonstrate some class and speak their mind using a Personal Message. Oh well, maybe Santa was good to them and brought them a coloring book so that they too could contribute something worthwhile to their” forum.

      To TamTam,

      I sincerely like you and appreciate your guidance and insight that propelled me into finding out what this heinous disease was caused from. I just do not know the reasoning for your use of riddles. At times it appears you wanted us to discover the answer, then at times you seemed to be aloof and avoiding. I wish I knew what you wanted us to do with this knowledge. I have waited on you to be more direct. Unfortunately this forum strand suddenly took ownership and seems to be coming to a close.

      TamTam, here’s what I know…..

      From the year 1977, we have a couple of choices here to choose from:
      * depleted uranium
      * Smallpox
      * and what I had chosen the answer to be: Phi X ( scientists have created an artificial form of life from synthetic genes. The form they made is a virus, in this case, a man-made version of a real virus that eats bacteria. )

      You represent yourself as being Mr. Craig Venter, Ph.D., from the Institute for Biological Alternatives in North Carolina. You stated that you had the blueprint in front of you. This was a direct quote from Dr. Venter. Dr. Venter is the person that created Phi X within two weeks, using Bacteriophages.
      The year was 2003. I will admit you did have me confused at times making me think it was Stanford University. You used Stanford’s Lecture Notes from “Innate Immunity” in your postings-verbatim.
      I too responded in a post I wrote to you, using this same verbage when I quoted “ Now let’s move-on to my favorite, the…..” One can look this up on page 19 of this forum. I was hoping you’d realize that I was aware of this being taken directly from Stanford’s Microbiology Notes. I believe you said, “ Now let’s move on to my favorite, the Lepidoptera…..”
      Maybe you are from Stanford and you are wanting us to think you are Dr. Craig Venter OR maybe the opposite. Does not really matter since Dr. Venter did nothing illegal. He had financial backing from the Federal Government. The D.O.E. at its’ best!

      Some of your sayings that led me to find Phi X…..

      Invasion of the body snatchers…..this movie you refer to is a metaphor about the spread of communism. This said, you were hinting for us to find….”(NK) or Natural Killer Cells.

      The reasoning behind you stating that our disease was a spinoff-
      that it relates with Academia. Pharmaceutical Co.’s, the Government, the military, the Researchers and Physicians.
      I’d like to throw in the Private Sector too. Much stock is purchased in the Nanotech Companies as well. They are to blame just as much as the military for dousing us with these fibers via chemtrails. If one would only go take a look at this site:
      AC/UNU Millennium Project Nanotech pollution/hazard Study

      They would see where the military states how the nanotech fibers impair human health and pollute the environment.

      I found a lot of my answers when I researched nanotech bacteria. Also behind this big façade of cover one will find trying to hide: The Communications Industry. It is here that one of our regular posters work. Clandestine meetings held all over the world-that is why I stated that I had seen this certain individual in two different countries on two separate occasions. This too is why I stated that I knew about the warehouses in Glasgow. This group is the one that incorporates the internet2-that big, new information superhighway that I said kept popping up a lot when I researched different bacteria and diseases. These Communication and Advertising groups follow the teachings of an ex-Stanford person by the name of Mr.Douglass Englebart. What a phenomenon he was.

      Readers, there was a fungal genome plus so much more. Take the MFC for instance. This one I had stated from the get-go. It is one of the biggest reasons behind our illness. MFC stands for Microbial Fuel Cells. The Gov’t has been using animal waste products to produce energy!

      If you’re really interested in what else is happening behind the scenes check out this:

      Synchroton!
      Also, checkout the Biocat…they are all about climate control. As I posted before to readers-look up the word scalars. It’s about electromagnetic currents/frequencies, algorithms.
      Check out project Seed and BIRN as well-

      People, all of this is affecting not just our atmosphere, but our soil as well.

      I found ( and posted it before) about the carboxymethylated cellulose fibers-how this was made from something in the tree/pulp resin.

      I will close this post now wishing I knew more answers. Hopefully TamTam will still give his advice to the many readers of “Sabrina’s Forum.”
      Again, YYZ thank you.

      Take care everyone-

      London

    • #35765
      yyz
      Participant

      wow… you’re welcome london… thank you as well… i am glad you are ok and i wish you the best… hopefully i will talk to you again soon.

      yyz

    • #35799
      Barz
      Participant

      London, You rock! Your COUNTLESS hours of investigation are paying off. Thank you Thank you. Things must really be freaking you out. I can only imagine. Just want to say again, you rock. BARZ

    • #35802
      Maggie Mae
      Participant

      TAMTAM,
      I am sorry for my psychosis, induced and hard to avoid….I appreciate you sticking your neck out when all the microbiologists are being moved to other dimensions.
      This seems to me that it is a remote sensing cloak – when you say communicate between species…like in read our thoughts? Or maybe “fiber” optics, or maybe trackable movement (luminence) from sattelite, or maybe or maybe and so on and so forth….I wish that you would read London’s concerns. I, too, feel that there is more than meets the eye when cryptic is NOT really cool for us suffering. And knowing me, I am not so sure that the individuals world wide that have contracted this might not be GENE targeted – I do NOT think that we were “STRAYS” unless you mean straying from the general leming society and getting out of the loop they want us all to circle everyday of our lives… Man/machine….grants…Technologies….I too feel we are being herded into a direction with this to throw off the track of the real culprits. My biggest concern is HOW CAN WE BE FREE FROM THIS??? Do these overly educated idiots think that they are as smart as GOD???? The tower of Babel will come tumbling down and crush them for what they have done.

      (Many times I have had a “synchronicity” with others studying this – are we all hooked up together like a hive? Algorithms…for sure, London…electro-magnetic and more.)

      TAM TAM ——
      [u]You also mention skin not the main source….WHAT IS???? [/u]Can it be avoided or removed? The meds you mentioned as possibly useful, can they be purchased without a script? Do you yourself have this disease? When the fibers are shooting away from the body, is that the “bird in flight” input? God, I hate to ask what the animal/mammal input was….US?
      How is it that many many times (not always) the sores manifest exactly on the opposite side of the body – like right/left, in unison?
      Neuroworm info was posted on another site a long time ago, and they (Germans) create other insects as well….any similarity there? And in the Christian SPIRIT I ask O Lord protect this TamTam and guide and use him to help all of us trapped in this horrid condition.
      You obviously know about “targets”…so keep moving! (joke)
      Mm

    • #35807
      J Jill
      Participant

      London,

      While I can appreciate where you are concerned about Phi x and all the potential variables for say… weaponized gene vectors, ‘designer’ bioweaponized agents perhaps created to be resistant to antibiotics and evade the immune system, and more- the fact remains that the work (of Dr Venter, et al) did not come to fruition until 2002/2003.

      There have been people suffering from this disease for up to 20 years. It’s not a fit. Could be a huge problem down the road, but not the problem here and now, IMO.

      Next, the Microbial Fuel Cells that you mention. Are you referring to the work of Lovley and his Team? If so, to my knowledge,
      his work is positive. He has found a means of converting waste (sugar, basically) into energy.

      Additionally, the Geobacter metallireducens consumes radioactive elements.

      It’s all good.

      http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articl … cter.shtml

      http://www.geobacter.org/research/genomicssystems.html

      Go to the above link and listen to the audio links at the bottom of the page.

      Regarding DU, that’s another story. No doubt that it is a part of the problem for the Gulf War Vets and others (in the area of the US plants), and will be for those involved in the current conflict in Iraq as well. Links on that later.

      But as Prof/Dr Asaf Durakovic (the man who discovered GWS) of Georgetown U defers to Garth Nicholson when it comes to Mycoplasma, due to his focus on DU, I believe that we cannot ignore the subject.

      Which brings me to my point- Mycoplasma fermentus.

      Do some reading here:

      http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/ … 0830164126

      http://www.eaglefoundation.net/SARS.htm

      http://www.whale.to/m/scott7.html

      http://www.immed.org/illness/fatigue_il … earch.html

      http://www.ncchem.com/gwscfids.htm

      http://www.rense.com/general3/chemill.htm

      If you take a cursory look at any of the links above, you’ll begin to understand the problem.

      If you take a look at the lesion on the post of YYZ then compare it to a Google/Image search of Leishmania, then you will see cause and effect.

      The image that YYZ posted looks exactly like Leishmania to me.

      Leishmania is a part of the GWS and to a lesser degree a part of many other chronic conditions.

      We call them ‘Emerging Diseases’.

      While I don’t doubt that the information that you have presented may have impact on all of us at some future time, some of it is just not what I would categorize as negative (MFC).

      Jill

    • #35808
      Marlene
      Participant

      Sabrina,
      I was so happy and relieved to read about this disease. We all thought our Mother was going a little crazy. She has been to the doc many times about this and they think she’s crazy. I now believe her and have been calling all the dermatologists in this area (Greensboro, NC) and none of them will listen to me about this. I’m very frustrated now and not sure how to proceed. I think there are no cases of this here. My Mom has spent time in TX and after her last visit (and having ticks on her) April 2005 she has been complaining of these “parasites” or “bugs” on her. Actually she didn’t have symptoms until June. She has sores all over her and she says that she pulls these “things” out. She is going to visit TX in Jan. and I think maybe she should see a dermatologist there that has some knowledge of this. Again, thanks for helping us with our Mom’s problem.

      Sincerely, Marlene

    • #35809
      tamtam
      Participant

      Interesting to know that yyz knows how to wing!
      yyz, ask for a non specific PCR

      All that is visible can know an intermediate stage that only can be made visible with more specific technique.

      Why is there rather something than nothing?

      Stay tuned!

      tamtam

    • #35811
      C3
      Participant

      Relationship cyano and trypanosoma
      Observation model for oncogenic activity

      ROSKIN and KLYUEVA’s trypanosoma extract therapy had more or less been forgotten (in
      … At about this time trypanosoma extract therapy was rediscovered, …
      http://www.karlloren.com/biopsy/book/p4.htm – 48k – Cached – Similar pages

    • #35812
      C3
      Participant

      Oligopeptidase B-dependent signaling mediates host cell invasion …
      Mammalian cell invasion by the intracellular protozoan parasite Trypanosoma cruzi
      is mediated by recruitment and fusion of host cell lysosomes, …
      http://www.nature.com/emboj/journal/v17 … 1193a.html – Similar pages

    • #35816
      London
      Participant

      Hey Jill!

      Thanks for all the hyperlinks. I have not had chance to read any of them yet, but I will. You always find “good” stuff!

      Right now I just wanted to comment on the Phi X and the MFC. I hear what you are saying and I also took them the same way you are- at first.

      Re: Phi X- I was not saying this was what we have- i.e., Morgellons Disease, but that it was part of the disease that TamTam was referring to when he said it was first released around 1977 or so. I said in 2003 Dr. Venter created Phi X- but Phi X is simply a re-creation of the disease from 1977. So that’s over 25 years ago, thus it would fall into the time-range factor. Also, TamTam used 2 direct quotes from Mr. Venter from a report Mr. Venter gave on the Phi X. One being: The invasion of the body snatchers and two: “I have the blueprint in front of me.”

      This is all about “artificial life” Fake this, fake that. From Monsanto’s production of the plant that produced plastic to Us being able to make 1/2 Human/ 1/2 monkey creation. Why will they do this? To use various body organs. Say for instance someone is awaiting a kidney transplant-simply take the one out of the creature and put into patient while they await their real 100% human kidney to arrive.

      As far as MFC goes-They are starting to just recently get better b/c they had to. (will explain later if you wish me too) . But what’s wrong with the way they have been using this ( and still are to this day) ? is the mere fact that it is making a lot of people ill. Take the swine and cow for example. They used their raw wastewater for power generation. These animals’ wastes, carry concentrations of microbes as high as a billion organisms per gram of excrement. Infected cattle can excrete millions of E. coli, Cryptosporidium, Gardia in their manure. Chicken wastes can carry the pathenogenic bacteria Salmonella and Campylobacter.

      In an area that has manure-laden-run-off and a lot of intensive livestock production, well this is the main suspect in blooms of toxic microbes such as Pfiesteria in estuaries and coastal regions.

      Jill, also I didn’t know this ( until recently) that over 100 million Americans rely on groundwater as their source of drinking water. Only 1/2 of the communities that use groundwater sources disinfect the water prior to distribution.-and out in the country…..well, they have it kinda bad….
      The CDC said in 1997-98 there were 17 outbreaks of waterborne disease . 15 of them were associated with groundwater sources.

      Jill, I have to run but I will sure read all those hyperlinks you posted by tonight. Thanks-

      London

      C-3 I was glad to see you posting some more things that can possibly assist in helping us heal. I was going to ask my Dr. for Interluken2 to help my body produce more T-cells. Could you comment on this approach if you have time?

    • #35822
      London
      Participant

      So the 3 in C3, represents “compartments”, eh?

      “Hydrogen ion gradients across the mitochondrial, endosomal and plasma membranes in bloodstream forms of Trypanosoma brucei “-
      Solving the three-compartment problem”

      **note: the article is a bit hard to understand/read. It was for me anyway.

      http://content.febsjournal.org/cgi/cont … 67/15/4601

      London

    • #35825
      southcity
      Participant

      ran across this page while searching for some answers. Clinical Cell Culture C3 (company name) http://www.clinicalcellculture.com/index.asp is a company whose web site states

      “| C3 | is a publicly listed company established to commercialise a number of tissue engineered products for the treatment of skin defects using autologous cell replacement.

      C3 uses unique tissue engineering processes to grow skin cells from a small sample of the patient’s own skin. The skin is then applied to the wound to ensure increased healing rates”

      previously tam has mentioned this target was developed most likely for wound dressing and healing as well as artificial skin..

      TamTam could you expand on the meaning of C3 for us? are you speaking in terms of lab certification levels, or C3 protein? Is London, myself, or anyone else playing this guessing game on the right track? Or are we off track by believing in the extreme significance of the term C3 to begin with?

      Thanks for your time.

    • #35832
      London
      Participant

      Hey South-

      I think your C3 is it! (don’t know, but just think it)

      It is so friggin scary what our world is going to be like in 25 years. We’ll probably have “the jetsons” flying cars and all. 🙂

      Just think about it- If they re-create every gene, we’re screwed! They hold the patents (the researchers, the owners and the government. All life will be artificial. They are already ruining our forest with cutting down so many trees just to get the chemicle out of the tree trunk resin. Just think how this is really going to screw with
      the animals and insects then.

      Hey check out tis website south- it has the many types of fake tissues and
      also the carboxymethylated nanotube fibers.
      http://www.petspourri.com:8080/trends16.htm

      There will be no more agriculture- all will be done indoors. The internet takes the place of research-all will be done on this information superhighway.

      I’m so scared of what’s this morgellons disease will turn into—I’ve been so worried that mine will develop inot cancer-” Non-Hodgkins Leukemia.

      Hey south, do you give any merrit to “they know” (Gov’t) who is currently infected? Just curious. It’s maddening! Hope this message finds you well. Thank again South for everything you have done for us!

      Sincerely,

      london

    • #35849
      Sabrina
      Participant

      Dear Marlene,
      I am very sorry to hear that your Mom is suffering. Glad you have helped figured it out and now support her, she will need this and much more. This is just the first obstacle you will encounter with this horrific disease, many more will unfortunately follow. Stay strong. Register with the Morgellons Research Foundation at Morgellons.org and more support can be found at lymebusters.com. Good luck and my prayers are with you and your family.

      “Too bad they did not demonstrate some class and speak their mind using a Personal Message. Oh well, maybe Santa was good to them and brought them a coloring book so that they too could contribute something worthwhile to “their” forum.”

      London, 🙄

      Look at yourself. Take a very good honest look. Would any stable individual post anything like this on an adult orientated scientific forum? Why you cannot address me if you wish to tell me this is yet another mystery which further reveals your inability to communicate effectively.

      I believe everyone here has made worthwhile contributions, this includes you and me. However, you still display the need for some serious mental help regardless of your research capabilities, aptitude, or anything else. May I also suggest that you follow your own advise and “demonstrate some class” by using a personal message. I asked you to please stick to the science, are you even capable of this? “The Jetsons” are not science but cartoons my friend. I could color you a page from my “Jetson” coloring book if you wish but I fail to see the science behind that too.
      But…. The short, very short break was nice, thankyou. 😀

      Last but not least, could you please show me where tamtam said anything at all about “The Body Snatchers.” Unless I am incorrect then you are once again very confused and spreading it all around.

      We all suffer terribly from this affliction. Why are we being left to have to figure this out on our own?

      I’ve been thinking long and hard about my future lately, even drew up a will. I refuse to allow this disease to eat me alive but I’m unsure how much longer I can go on fighting. I’m one of the unfortunate people who have had this for twenty+ years and the neurological symptoms are getting the best of me. I’m losing hope fast.

      So, we can sit around for years and try to figure out what in the hell it is but, with all due respect, where is it getting us? Are we any closer than we were before? How can we get the drugs when most doctors refuse to acknowledge this as real and help? The drugs we order from overseas pharmacy’s are now being intercepted and confiscated. We are not even able to help ourselves now. Somebody please tell me how this is happening!

      And I guess I should be happy that all doctors involved and my Health Department is content in allowing my child to suffer and get worse with this hell on earth. After all, the Flagyl and Cipro they gave me are not working any way. Why put my kid on drugs that don’t work?

      Somebody take me and experiment please. I have no future left anyway.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #35854
      yyz
      Participant

      Awhile back on this forum, TamTam gave me a “nod”, so to speak. Or, at least I took it that way.

      “yyz=+”

      The discussion then was the meaning of 3 in C3 and I was suggesting sporotrichoid diseases.

      It is a good question. Are any of us on the right track?

      But, according to TamTam’s latest posts, we are cancer research lab rats.

      If trypanosomiasis could possibly cure cancer, then just exactly how does that work? Mutant T. cruzi with an inability to invade mammalian host cells, yet posessing the necessary enzymes to strengthen our immune systems and suppress cancer?

      Also, “step, step, step”… first couple of paragraphs

      http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picren … obtype=pdf

      JJill,
      Thanks for acknowledging the leishmaniasis similarities… I was wondering if I was the only one who saw that.

      TamTam,
      Why are you excited that I “…know how to wing!” ? Is this a rarity? Or, is there some other significance? Unless I am going to become a Super Hero or something with my new insect parts, I still see this as an evil disease.

      yyz

    • #35859
      Barz
      Participant

      yyz very interesting.

    • #35862
      C3
      Participant

      C3 represents class 3 or level 3 (human and or contagious pathogen)
      This type research is only done in a highly protected environment.
      check international protocol for C3 laboratory
      All other association is fine embellishment.

      yyz, to wing relates to San Antonio.
      Its a variable.

      Cyano is the most old language.
      Base language
      giant cell = perfect model for oncogenic observation

      trypanosoma is about rapid cell fusion and variant glycoprotein and e.g what you can read in the article.

      Both species are about adaptation and evasion
      And the reason that probably only last resort medication will work is based on the fusion cyano with trypa.

      The set commensal resembling quorum sensing elements must have at least gained part of this property.

      If the target represents a simulation model
      than it would be used as a Christmas tree
      To hang in all type modification.
      (mold = matrix like)

      Cyano was until 1920 regarded a fungus.
      Trypa has gametes(…)
      bio systematic = bio systepmatic

      The culture is an extension of a point (stem cell)
      hence point and extension.
      Extension represents lineage(point, point, point)
      More than one line= multi lineage etc

      What you see is only expression.

      The presence of e.g fly and lepidoptera like entity proves that many translations are incorporated.
      Reject is like retrograde – although all depends on objective.

      Again: near to perfect replica of a fly(see video footage) lepidoptera, plant (corn root?) bird and
      mammal like reject has been observed and recorded from multiple culture of one and the same virulent strain.

      Base architecture represents cyano with trypanosoma

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #35865
      C3
      Participant

      keywords:
      trypanosoma wound repair
      cyanobacterium wound repair

    • #35872
      Barz
      Participant

      Dehydrated human dura mater?

    • #35875
      Barz
      Participant
    • #35876
      J Jill
      Participant

      Sabrina and all,

      Tamtam posted a llink that took me to a site I had been to a few years back. Forgot about it- great info. Thanks TamTam

      In any case, I thought I’d point out a few of Karl Lorens’ links. I think you will find hope and some answers.

      http://www.karlloren.com/

      Go to the ‘Search this Web’ near the bottom of the 1st page

      Type in your concern/question or email him (Karl Loren). He will research for you according to his page.

      I typed in Fibromyalgia and got a lot of great info- I’ve been reading his articles for the better part of the day

      Lots of good advice

      http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/technical/p5.htm

      above- lots of good info on free radicals

      http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/G … index.html

    • #35887
      London
      Participant

      YYZ,

      I see where you hyperlinked Phi X above. That is the same article I had saved to my Documents when I posted the other day. So what do you think about it? Was I correct? TamTam never said yes or no. JillJ said no, couldn’t be. What do you think?

      Also, from my reading I saw a lot of atrocious diseases that could possibley develop from Morgellons. Including cancer. I found:

      legionaires disease

      leprosy

      Tuberculosis

      HIV

      Lupus
      I’m sure there’s more but those were just off the top of my head. How do you think we got it? Do you think it will spread to all get-out, or do you think most will be immune to it?

      Bartz, YOU ROCK!!!!! I liked your hyperlink too.

      Jill, meant to tell you the other day when I found some of the stuff I .posted about, that I had went to the “Emerging Diseases” to get them. One of the ones that has scared me( due to it matching some of my symptoms is: chronic myeloid leukemia (CML) — and also, please look at this:
      ROCKVILLE, MD (November 13, 2003).Researchers from the Institute for Biological Energy Alternatives (IBEA), led by J. Craig Venter, Ph.D., have significantly advanced methods to improve the speed and accuracy of genomic synthesis. See what the institute is for? Biological Energy Alternatives!

      London

    • #35892
      London
      Participant

      Duh, it just dawned on me….Dr.Venter and his alternative ENERGY Institute is in Rockville, Maryland! Is this not where one of the Gov’ts big
      USAMRID is located? I’m going to go have a look back thru my paperwork. I know I pulled something off the internet about this way back in sept!

      YYZ, guess what? I was flipping thru something I apparently printed in middle of November, titled: NOVEL FUNCTIONS FOR INTEGRINS IN
      EPITHELIAL MORPHOGENESIS and right under the authors name it said….Welcome Trust/CANCE4R RESEARCH UK Gordon Institute in Cambridge. I never had read that before. I will certainly have a better eye for these things now!

      Will get back w/you all on above.

      London

    • #35895
      London
      Participant

      TamTam

      OMG, do you mean T-D-R???????????????

      YYZ, please read about: mycoherbicides.
      .

      Hey all, here’s what I got>>>>they are all Category 3 diseases. Sorry about the chart- The first # is 3, representing category, the second is Disease burden DALYs in the thousands. First is TOTAL, second is MEN, third is Women. Then the next category is Deaths from disease. Again, it is total #, Men, Women.

      Current disease portfolio
      disease category Disease burden
      DALYs* (thousands) Deaths
      (thousands)
      Chagas disease 3 667 343 324 14 8 7
      Leprosy 3 199 117 82 6 4 2
      Lymphatic filariasis 3 5,777 4,413 1,364 0 0 0

      TamTam, DO YOU KNOW DR.J. SOMMERFIELD??? I wish I could get my hands on him!

      London

    • #35896
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Tam Tam,

      Might you know this man?

      Eijkman

      They have fast tests at the Royal Tropical Institute.

      Interesting place.

      http://www.kit.nl/frameset.asp?&#8230;

      gotta mosey around a bit to find the man and the fast tests they do for Leishmaniasis and a host of other diseases.

      Some of it I can’t read. My Dutch not so good. Can read some Spanish though.

      Skytroll

    • #35908
      London
      Participant

      Multiple-Drug Resistant Enterococci: The Nature of the Problem and an Agenda for the Future

      London

      As far as TamTam saying that- "body snatchers"….. Yes, I have it right here in front of me. It was posted on October 28th at 3:38 pm

      I will quote him: "In fact dispersion of the agent in skin more or less resembles artificial breathing tissue " a body snatcher."

      The man who maketh a beast of himself-
      gets rid of the pain of being a man.

      Dr. Samual Johnson

    • #35911
      London
      Participant

      TamTam/YYZ,

      Medical.Webends.com – A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z #
      Human T-lymphotropic virus 1
      Adult T Cell Leukemia Lymphoma Virus I; Human T Cell Leukemia Virus I; Leukemia Lymphoma Virus I, Adult T Cell; Leukemia Virus I, Human T Cell; T Cell Leukemia Virus I, Human; Human T lymphotropic virus 1
      A strain of PRIMATE T-LYMPHOTROPIC VIRUS 1 isolated from mature T4 cells in patients with T-lymphoproliferation malignancies. It causes adult T-cell leukemia (LEUKEMIA-LYMPHOMA, T-CELL, ACUTE, HTLV-I-ASSOCIATED), T-cell lymphoma (LYMPHOMA, T-CELL), and is involved in mycosis fungoides, SEZARY SYNDROME and tropical spastic paraparesis (PARAPARESIS, TROPICAL SPASTIC).

      Tell me this ain’t so!

      london

    • #35914
      London
      Participant
    • #35919
      London
      Participant

      Agent Green is a genetically engineered pathogenic fungi, conjured up by the US Department of Agriculture’s experiment station in Beltsville, Maryland. It is now being produced with US funds by Ag/Bio Company, a private lab in Bozeman, Montana and at a former Soviet bioweapons factory in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. The labs are brewing up two types of killer fungi, Fusarium oxysporum (slated for use against marijuana and coca plants) and Pleospora papveracea (engineered to destroy opium poppies).

      The problem is that both fungi are indiscriminate killers, posing threats to human health and to non-target species. Add to this the fact that when sprayed from airplanes and helicopters, Agent Green will be carried by winds and inevitably drift over coffee plantations, fields, farms, villages, and water supplies.

      Coccidioides immitis/posadasii

      London

    • #35924
      yyz
      Participant

      Granted, this is a “scientific” forum. So where are all the scientists? London has not ran them off. The very nature of this disease and it’s associated controversy and complexity has ran them off. The disease itself is a mockery of human beings. And, the science thus far, is a mockery in and of itself.

      I have personally pointed two doctors to this site with a kind and trusting verbal agreement to correspond back to me. That was over 4 weeks ago. Not a single post, thread, email, or phone call. What a suprise.

      TamTam has offered scientific information, albeit with no specific proof. London has consistently offered ideas, links, theories, and the like. Again, with no scientific proof. I myself have offered pictures and observations. Also, with no scientific proof. If we had scientific proof, we would possibly have an explanation and a cure.

      I have a college degree, but not in the medical or life sciences. I struggle a great deal to make sense out of most of this. And, when I contribute, I am probably not much help most of the time. But I reserve the right to contribute what I can and when I can, as does London or anyone else. I am a victim who has thus far been ignored and turned away by candyass scientists and doctors who possibly could help but don’t or won’t. We reserve the right then, to bear our own available resources on this disease. For right now, that means our pc’s, internet connection’s, and access to websites like this.

      So, wheresthebeef, now that you are either a proud new member of biology-online or the bearer of yet another alias, bet you can’t wait to start scientifically explaining this disease. We can’t wait either for your intelligent commentary, analysis, and disertation. Please, don’t be shy… lets hear it! We are all ears.

      Your beef should be with the science community who passively sit on their fragile asses and watch the show without concern or contempt.

      yyz

    • #35925
      yyz
      Participant

      And, maybe some will show disdain for posts like this — I don’t care. At the least, it should provoke thought and conscienceness… which the world could use more of.

      And the men who hold high places
      Must be the ones who start
      To mold a new reality
      Closer to the heart
      Closer to the heart
      The blacksmith and the artist
      Reflect it in their art
      They forge their creativity
      Closer to the heart
      Closer to the heart

      Philosophers and ploughmen
      Each must know his part
      To sow a new mentality
      Closer to the heart
      Closer to the heart
      You can be the captain
      I will draw the chart
      Sailing into destiny
      Closer to the heart

      –Neil Peart

      yyz

    • #35930
      London
      Participant

      yyz,

      THAT WAS EXCELLENT, I mean that. You have always contributed excellent articles and post.

      TAMTAM- oh, I know…….THE RULE OF FIVE ring a bell?


      People we are going to get CML Chronic Myeloid Leukemia if what they have done works on us!! and #3 THIS IS LECTURE 3, JUST AS I HAD ORIGIONALLY SUSPECTED AND POSTED ABOUT IT!

      Hey……….. Anyone that lives near Stanford University needs to go there tomorrow, Jan 1st! They are hosting a big-time lecture on what I believe
      is part of our disease- I think it starts at 2 pm. I’m dead serious- Yes, on New Years Day. Please go somebody!!!!

      London

    • #35933
      showmeproof
      Participant

      SONG LYRICS????? Let no one wonder any longer why this illness is not taken seriously. way to go, nothin like shooting oneself in the foot to ring in the new year.

    • #35946
      yyz
      Participant

      Happy New Year to Everyone!

      yyz

    • #35966
      Poison
      Participant

      We are not in this topic but,
      Happy new year. 🙂

    • #35982
      givemeabreak
      Participant
      quote wheresthebeef:

      rah da da da da da da da da– circus music playing loud and clear. London, again, please understand you are making a mockery out of this illness. STOP NOW. you are confusing the hell out of this situation. Continue with your research, Hell start your own thread, but for god sake put a muzzle on it here already.

      I second that motion. And I assure you, I am not the only one.

      The problem is not the research, necessarily. The problem is NO SINGLE THEORY is researched in a systematic way, to come to any CONCLUSION.

      If there is one, it’s buried in the rest of the nonsense.

      London’s posts appear to be a random smattering of references, that at one point contained a random keyword, pertaining to this disease.

      The number of disconnected posts, borders on spam. And believe me you guys are getting off easy here. You should see the number of posts, elsewhere.

      I have to wonder if London really understands what she is posting. I know I have seen several people ask her to simplify her concepts, that are never answered.

      I would like to see London go open her own board to explore this stuff.

      That way everyone would be happy, and those interested can still see her stuff, all in one place.

      I have to tell you folks that my biggest fear is not so much the posting, although that is a significant issue.

      What’s going to happen to our credibility when London appears in person, at some major university, spewing all of this lunacy?

      Maybe we should just give her a bunch of DOP stamps to pass out at the conference(s). Because they are going to get use out of them, if they hear any of this.

      quote showmeproof:

      SONG LYRICS????? Let no one wonder any longer why this illness is not taken seriously. way to go, nothin like shooting oneself in the foot to ring in the new year.

      I’m sorry but a few song lyrics aren’t the problem here. That’s just a little lighthearted fun, on New Years.

      It’s the other three ring circus, generated by TamTam / London/ et al, that turned what might have been a helpful thread into a joke.

    • #35991
      Barz
      Participant
    • #36005
      befour
      Participant

      PLEASE – You guys stop fighting with each other!! This discussion is too important to so many of us who need the support and hope that we get from this forum!!! I am interested in EVERYONE’S ideas, and I am grateful to each of you that have spent so much time reseaching this horrific disease. This forum probably saved my sanity, possibly my life and it is the only support I have.

      xyz –
      I hope that you will change your mind and continue to post here. Thank you for sharing your personal experiences, i.e. photos, dr. visits, timeline, medications, etc. I am so sorry for your suffering and hope that you will find an effective treatment soon.

      TamTam –

      I went to my GP last week with a very large lesion on my right temple (about the size of a quarter.) My husband took pictures of it and I will e-mail it to you. The large black “bugs” that I spoke of previously, are clearly visible in the picture. It was the most hideous thing I have ever seen – I almost went into shock at the sight of these THINGS living in my body and eating me alive. I did not have any trouble getting my GP to refer me to an infectious disease specialist/parasites,etc However, I’m sure it will be several months before I get to see one of these drs. She gave me Bactrim 800/160 tabs, twice a day. Any suggestions on the dosage? I am also taking Doryx 75 mg once a day. I honestly don’t know if it is helping or not. I have lost about half of the hair on my head now and I have thick ridges on/in my scalp, which run down the center of my head and from temple to temple around my head. I have not gotten the results back on my blood work, but it should be interesting. My main concern is my eyes, they always feel like they have a heavy weight on them and are full of sand. I read your reference on protothecosis and I pray to God that does not happen to me.

      TamTam – A while back in your posts, you spoke about the helicobacter virus that causes peptic stomach ulcers. Does it have any connection to Morgellons? Just curious because I had an ulcer for many years, starting in about 1979. Went from dr. to dr., nothing helped, then tagamet came out as the miracle drug for ulcers. It helped for a while, then the pain came back and I just tried to learn to live with it. After several years, it stopped hurting and I assumed it had been stress related. Then, about two years ago I began to have to take antacids almost every day. I would wake up in the middle of the night with burning stomach pain. Shortly after, I began to have IBS. Have gotten Protonix from dr. for stomach pain and it helps.

      Just wanted to know if there was any relation- or were you just comparing statistics? Thank you for your replys to my previous posts and I would sincerely appreciate any suggestions or information that you may have. The video was awesome!!

      Best regards,
      B

      TamTam – were you referring to certain military bases in San Antonio as “wings”? I live about forty miles from San Antonio – lived IN San Antonio for about 20 years. Just asking – may be way off BASE!!!

    • #36015
      bugsonthewire
      Participant

      [quote=”givemeabreak”
      It’s the other three ring circus, generated by TamTam / London/ et al, that turned what might have been a helpful thread into a joke.[/quote]

      This may be considered as unsheathing the sabres but i believe this thread has lost the plot entirely. For anyone who has read the whole thread they would have noted that on page 4, under the guise of Gaiapacha a new personality emerged, like this disease they then mysteriously morphed into Forum and by page 7 had morphed again into the seemingly messianic TamTam. First thing Im wondering is if some of TamTams co-respondents are in fact another morphing of the same creature – but with grammer. cynical – you betcha. and i’ll tell you why.

      If anyone cares to go back to about page 4 of this thread you will notice that it was around this point the moderators of this forum started to say ‘hold on, something’s not right here’. Flip to page 4 and read the msg from Canalon (moderator) in response to TamTams embryonic forms as Gaiapacha and Forum. It reads:

      “One word about what forum and Gaia pacha said:

      Bullshit.

      It’s just a mix of scientific word put together, and without meaning. I do not know if this fiber disease is real or completly psychosomatic, but one thing is for sure, the complete nonsense that this 2 posters have put in this thread does nothing to add any credibility to this disease.”

      And please note as a moderator to the bio-online forum, he preceeded the attack of the morgellonites on bio-online and therefore has no vested interest in doing anything other then being a responsible moderator. Also presumably he has some real, verifiable credentials in the area of biology and therefore may be in a better position then any of us sufferers of making a judgement as to the scientific veracity of comments on this thread.

      here’s some more from page four:

      Canalon – moderator

      “I do not know about fiber diseases. What I have found is that if you go on the net you will find very contradictory reports. And The problem is none of the side seems to be very serious and/or very informed.
      But I can surely tell you that the posts from Gaiapacha and forum are just a crappy mix of techno babble that do not make any sense, and that do not elp the cause of the people which could be infected by the disease.”

      or then there was:

      canalon – moderator

      “As a mod I felt tempted to remove them but even if they are nonsense I do not believe in censorship and they do not contravene to any posting rules. Yet I wanted to warn the readers about the dubious nature of their content.”

      however lets not rely on one opinion, here’s more from MrMistery:

      “Thank you for pointing that out about those 2 posts. I have the same opion, but there was a thought in my mind that there may be some logic to those posts which i am missing and that they actually make a point regarding the desease.

      then Canalon expands on the theme by responding to some of the specifics:

      “As for the 2 posts I will try o give a few examples of why they are meaningless From gaia pacha post:

      “The fiber disease constitutes an infection with a genetically modified
      quorum sensing stem cell related micro organism”

      Stem cell implies differenciation hence multicelled organism, yet here (s)he is talking about single cell organism.

      “The micro organism has been fused with a mayor parasitic protozoa, a butterfly(lepidoptera) and a mammal specie”

      That’s a lot of fusions. Whatever these are supposed to be: chimera organism (beteween procaryote and eucaryote that would something new), gene transfer (but which genes?)

      “The fibers constitute protein.
      Specks are chitin like polymers.
      Fibers represent cell that are most connected to sensing parts like antennea, tongue, feet and wing”

      I like this one: so fibers are both cells and proteins…

      And this could go on for ever. Almost every paragraph is meaningless. as for forum, ic ould do the same I will just quote this one:
      “Cyanobacteria are an inbetween organism representing “a half plant, half animal like micro organism””

      And remind that Cyanobacteria are not halfway plat and animal but bacteria without nuclei or organelles, with some chlorophyll.

      You got the idea? Just pseudo scientific babble with lots of complicated word but a dubious (to be polite) reasonning behind the few sentences that I can make sense of.”

      and then Canalon wraps it all up with the deftly witty line:

      “Could you please make english sentences (you know with subject, verb and a little number of predicates…
      And you could try to detail a little more your logical jumps when making demonstartions to such slow and siple mind as mine.”

      If you care to now flip to page 7, you will see the the first appearence of TamTam, what seems to be yet another intermediate stage of the same organism.

      And so in the space of a page, you can see how a thread that was rapidly developing as an intense interest to the usual readers of bio-online has been subverted by mischeivious pranksters dressed in scientist suits and there desperate proteges. The result is for the last 30 pages no one who can actually contribute anything meaningful (as opposed to well meaning) to this discussion has posted here. It’s become the thinking persons lymebusters board. Nothing more then amateurish opinion blowing in the breeze.

      What confirms these jaded observations for me is that TamTam and his clique could easily have their discussions by email or PM, but they insist on monopolising TWO public forums with this, as was kindly pointed out above, bullshit.

      Wakeup fellow morgies, you are being lead along the garden path.

      Moderators, senior members, real scientists, please come back and post here. We are drowning in drivel.

    • #36018
      Barz
      Participant

      Bugs,

      Just curious. What do you have to say about the video? What do you think about tamtam’s correspondence with yyz? I do see some help there. Also, did you read TamTam’s response to the moderators? Yes, it is good to be skeptical. But has any doctor been able to give you any kind of diagnosis? Mine have not. I am trying to keep an open mind.

      Are you suggesting this is some type of Monsanto-like cover-up sort of thing? All I know is that this disease has made me more of a believer in conspiracy theories, which is the side effect that I detest the most. I have to laugh at myself sometimes. Someone just tell me please. . . WHEN ARE THE DOCTORS GOING TO START TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY?

      Tam Tam/C3 we appreciate what you are doing. However can you either just come out and say what you need to say at that given time and relent on the clues. If you are working with us, you will see that you are creating some problems. Please. You are helping, but also hurting.

    • #36019
      Barz
      Participant
    • #36021
      London
      Participant

      Dear Bugs,

      Recombinant proteins can be expressed in transfected
      mammalian or insect cells.

      Pathogenesis is currently under ‘physiological process’,
      and ‘host-parasite interaction’is in a different node,
      under ‘cell process’. The virus terms are throughout
      both ontologies, again in their own nodes.

      Organismal metabolism: Metabolic processes in
      multicellular organisms that occur at
      the tissue, organ, or organismal level. These processes,
      unlike cellular metabolism,
      can include transport of substances between cells when
      that t ransport is required.

      London

    • #36022
      J Jill
      Participant

      Good points made, Bugsonthewire. I’d like to add a few additional comments:

      With the video and the statements (snippets) made as relate to same, we cannot determine:

      1) exactly what is being said about the fibers/parasites shown, other than what has been stated on this board previously (cyano, T cruzi, etc)

      2) how this would relate to others with fibers, fatigue and other ’emerging disease-like’ symptoms

      3) We don’t know where/who the sample/specimens are from- could be from a person, an animal, a bird?

      Could be from South America, Africa or anywhere else.
      The subject(s) symptoms are not listed. No id is made.

      If it was stated that the video is that of YYZ or some other poster, I missed it.

      YYZ’s posted images look to be painful to the point of unbearable. I cringe at the thought of such a disease. My sympathy to YYZ and hope that s/he can find treatment and cure quickly.

      http://www.immed.com would be the logical choice for the Leishmania to my knowledge.

      As I previously stated and YYZ agreed, it looks to be Leishmania and that makes me wonder if s/he lives/lived in the Middle East or is a Vet? Maybe traveled to Africa? IOW, what is the source of the pathogen/disease?

      I recall an interview by Garth Nicholson where he stated that his researchers have learned that the pathogen (mycoplasma) found in Gulf War Vets and that of others in the US who are suffering from the same symptoms, differ only in that those of the Veterans contain (additionally) the HIV-1 envelope.

      Nicholson was referring to people with Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue and the like- IOW-one of the ‘Emerging diseases’ compared to Vets with Gulf War Syndrome.

      GWS and the many emerging diseases look the same under scope with the above variable.

      http://biology.kenyon.edu/Microbial_Bio … plasma.htm

      Excerpt:

      Pathology

      Mycoplasma have been linked with several chronic diseases, including chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia syndrome, gulf war syndrome, and rheumatoid arthritis. There is a definite correlation between these diseases and mycoplasmal infections, although the connection remains obscure. In patients with chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia syndrome Mycoplasma sp. were found in 62.9% and 50% of patients respectively in a study done by Nasralla et al. They also found that more than 50% of patients with rheumatoid arthritis had mycoplasmal infections, and 36% of these patients had multiple infections by different species of Mycoplasma. In studies with Gulf War illness, about 50% of patients had mycoplasmal infections, leading to the rumor that the Gulf War was the first war in which biological weapons were used. Namely weapons with biologically engineered strains of Mycoplasma (this is still just a rumor).

      The most common symptoms associated with mycoplasmal infections include night sweats, intermittent fevers, chronic fatigue, skin rashes, increased dermal sensitivity, joint and muscle pain, swelling and reduced mobility of joints, heart palpitations, pain and arrhythmia, stomach cramps and regurgitation, loss of vision, double vision, and the list can go on. Although there is a clear link between Mycoplasma infection and the above-mentioned diseases, it is unclear which is the precursor. Mycoplasma may cause these various diseases, or it may be an opportunistic pathogen that colonizes a host with a weak immune system, and causes a secondary infection.

      http://www.rowland.harvard.edu/labs/bac … glide.html

      Click on movies to see:

      Gliding Mycoplasma, Swimming Rhodobacter, much more
      **

      http://jb.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/182/10/2793

      Real-Time Imaging of Fluorescent Flagellar Filaments

      **
      http://www.sci.osaka-cu.ac.jp/~miyata/mycolike.htm

      see images near bottom

      **
      Excerpt:

      Mycoplasma Triggering Mechanisms

      Mycoplasma is activated and stimulated by initiators (ignition) and potentiators (promoters). The potentiators are the toxic substances in our food, beverages, environment, pharmaceuticals, heavy metals (mercury amalgams) and chemicals that we bath in, etc. that store in fat cells and weaken our cellular terrain and immune system to allow the initiators (i.e. stress, viruses, bacteria, fungus, parasites, emotional and physical trauma, fear, increased estrogen, anger, etc.) to ignite or light up the gasoline that’s poured on the barn -Mycoplasma.

      http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/01/309675.shtml

    • #36023
      London
      Participant

      Great post Jill!

      Does anyone remember who said or can repeat the phrase again…..that went something like…..”.Libraries are required for screening”

      Thank you in advance if you can help out-

      London

    • #36032
      London
      Participant

      Radio-Free Bacteria

      Deinococcus radiodurans

      Recently, the genomic sequence for this radiation-resistant bacterium was completed by a team of scientists led by Owen White and Claire M. Fraser of The Institute for Genomic Research in a project reported in the 19 November 1999 issue of Science. D. radiodurans was selected for genetic sequencing because among six closely related species it was the most amenable to genetic manipulation. According to Michael Daly of the Department of Pathology at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, who collaborated in the research, this amenability has already enabled him and colleagues “to introduce bioremediating gene functions into D. radiodurans from other organisms that can detoxify wastes but that are very sensitive to and are killed by radiation.”

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    • #36041
      befour
      Participant

      dear bugs

      I addressed my concerns to tamtam because he has given me very helpful and hopeful information regarding the lesions on my head. Also, he took the time to reply to my questions and realize how desperate I was, when no one else did.

      I also wanted to share my experiences in the hope that it might help someone else who is going through the same or similar symptoms. That is what this forum is for, isn’t it? I am not as well educated as the rest of you, but I do have common sense and I can certainly sort through the bs. Why don’t you just let everyone, that is trying to help us figure out this horrible disease, have their own perspectives. We don’t have to agree with everyone’s posts, you have the option of choosing which ones to read.

      I hesitate to post anything because I don’t feel that I can contribute any new information and I feel totally inferior to all of you who have so much scientific knowledge, I am in awe of all of you. But I want to find out what is happening to me/us and this forum has given me hope.

      With all of your brilliant minds working together, surely we will find the answers!

      Attached are two pictures of the lesion on my temple.

      Regards-

      Befour


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    • #36096
      J Jill
      Participant

      Yikes, Befour…it that painful?

      I would have that removed post haste.

      Have you been to see a doctor?

      It looks like a growth rather than a lesion but I would be concerned as to it’s location.

      Is that the only lesion/growth that you have?

      My empathy for your situation.

    • #36101
      C3
      Participant

      reference:

      From the Cover: Plant-like traits associated with metabolism of …
      Extant trypanosomatid parasites, such as Trypanosoma and Leishmania, …
      6PGDH branched closely to its homolog from the cyanobacterium Synechocystis sp. …
      http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/100/3/1067 – Similar pages

    • #36103
      C3
      Participant

      reference:

      [PDF] THE ORIGIN AND EVOLUTION OF MODEL ORGANISMS
      File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
      cyanobacterium symbiont, forming the origin of plastids on the plant lineage and
      possibly on other … such as Plasmodium (malaria), Trypanosoma (try- …
      evo.bio.psu.edu/hedgeslab/ Publications/PDF-files/140.pdf – Similar pages

    • #36104
      befour
      Participant

      dear j jill

      It was very painful when it first began, about four days before the picture was taken. When it first appeared, it resembled a donut, very swollen and red. As the "things" came to the surface, it was less painful.

      I went to my GP two days after the picture, it looked even worse at that time, it was mostly dark red and black. She finally believed what I had been telling her for FOUR years, she could see it for herself! In fact, she is the one that suggested a referral to an ID dr.

      Don’t have the appt. yet, should hear from her next week.

      All of my lesions are on my head, what I used to refer to as my scalp – where I HAD hair!

      The lesions are usually in a row and develop into a thick ridge, then the fibers take over and my hair comes out. The lesions are very deep, they feel like they go all the way down to my skull.

      If you draw a line from the center of my forehead down to the nape of my neck, about 2 inches wide, that’s the main ridge (all the hair is GONE!) Then, draw a line from ear to ear, around the back of my head, about an inch wide, this is where the new lesions are starting.

      From my ears to my temples, on both sides, there is no hair. I don’t know what to do to stop it from spreading!! How do I get rid of these BUGS?!! I AM READY TO TRY ANYTHING!!! (before "it" takes over my brain!)

      I feel like I am in one of those ’50’s sci-fi movies, where the aliens take over our brains . . .

      Thank you so much for your concern, my best to you also!

      befour

    • #36105
      befour
      Participant

      thank you C3-

      Any ideas for treatment?

      sinerely-

      befour

    • #36117
      Sabrina
      Participant

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    • #36281
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Faith,
      I am sorry that you are in such discomfort. If you think that you have nematodes or helminths (as opposed to a fungal infection such as ringworm) then you should see a doctor, such as Dr Schwartz. If there is any infection or infestation under the skin it has to be treated with prescribed internal medication.

      External remedies can certainly help, but only as an adjunct to the prescribed medication. E.g., antifungal shampoos, or baby shampoos can help when applied to external lesions, but must not be taken internally as they can kill.

      Some people with skin conditions say they are greatly helped by flotation therapy, where salt is used. I do not advise eating too much salt, as this can be very dangerous, especially for people with certain medical problems. I do not think it would necessarily kill the worms anyway, because worms survive on meat, e.g. pork, that has been preserved in salt. No, if you have worms, you need to have anthemotic medication prescribed, as per Dr Schwartz’s protocol.

    • #36301
      Sabrina
      Participant

      This was sent out some weeks back but I wanted to post it here incase anyone missed it.

      The good news is that we are getting closer to getting a clinical study going. (about time ah?)

      Special thanks to Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D.

      Please note that this article says,”Morgellons disease, a little-known and often discounted illness, lacks the solid scientific data needed to point to a definitive cause.”

      Dear tamtam,

      I cannot dispute that some of what you say correlates to this condition, however you give no references to support what you are saying with any verifiable solid scientific data. Can you help me find this?

      http://centernet.okstate.edu/whatsnew/rounds/2005/1005.html

      In the word of bizarre symptoms that mark Morgellons disease, patients speculate about how they got it.

      An athletic young swimmer who trained in murky bay waters wonders if that is the cause of symptoms. A patient living near a marsh speculates that contaminated dust from dredging is to blame. Others suspect a link to Lyme disease. Whatever the cause, they are sick and do not know why.

      Morgellons disease, a little-known and often discounted illness, lacks the solid scientific data needed to point to a definitive cause.

      That soon may change as Randy S. Wymore, Ph.D., assistant professor of pharmacology and physiology, looks for answers. He is taking on the research challenge as volunteer director of research for the Morgellons Research Foundation.

      According to the foundation, the disease began to appear in 2002. Patients complain of itching and feeling like bugs are crawling on their skin, stinging and biting. Many suffer from fatigue, or have trouble concentrating. Even more horrifying, their skin often develops blistering lesions that shed black seed-like particles, and sprout colored, fibrous filaments.

      Neurological symptoms include numbness, tingling, itching, burning, or peripheral neuropathy. Sufferers sometimes are diagnosed with delusions of parasitosis (a belief that they have parasites) by skeptical doctors who have no solid scientific data that Morgellons Disease is real. Treatment may consist of saying, “Just don’t scratch it.”

      “Health care providers are shooting in the dark as to how to treat it. Antibiotics seem to help some, but if they are stopped the symptoms come back,” Wymore says. In coordinating research efforts, he sees a research challenge and a chance to help. “I am doing this partly from scientific curiosity, but also with real empathy toward sufferers.”

      The foundation has registered approximately 2,500 families worldwide. Clusters of sufferers are located in Texas, California and Florida. Wymore says Oklahoma has at least a dozen possible cases.

      Questions surround Morgellons. Is it a real disease, and if so, what causes it? Is it one disease, or a complex syndrome?
      “We are keeping every possible cause open for examination. It could be viral, parasitic, fungal, bacterial, or environmental contamination. We just do not know. There is not enough evidence,” Wymore says. He will put together a scientific advisory board, and hopes to interest other researchers in unraveling the medical mystery.

      To find the cause, he will look first for any new or unusual bacteria. Shed materials from patients will be analyzed for unusual microbial species by amplifying any non-human DNA. Wymore says he will use PCR to amplify DNA, analyze the sequence and get an idea what kind of microorganism, if any, exist.

      If no organism emerges, he will look for a viral cause. Wymore says this initial investigation will attempt to establish a rationale for more involved studies. After approval by the Human Subjects Institutional Review Board, samples will come directly from patients in a clinical setting.

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #36306
      FiberSymptoms
      Participant

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    • #36354
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi again Faith,
      I misspelled the broad type of medication that you could ask a doctor to prescribe in yesterday’s post. This is based on the protocol devised by Dr Schwartz, and, if you are unable to obtain a consultation with this physician, your doctor might wish to contact him once he or she has examined you. The type of drug that is used against helminths is known as the antihelminthic or anthelmintic group, of which there exist quite a few.
      Dr Schwartz includes other types of drugs within his protocol, such as antibiotics and a drug that acts against the nervous system of arthropods. I am not aware of the actual doses, or of when exactly he would advise drugs of a certain class to be given. E.g., he might not advise that certain drugs be given at the same time, or even on the same day. I am sure that he has worked out the best way to proceed with the regimen, although this may on occasions vary, depending on the clinical features that a given patient presents with.
      This is why it is important to be examined by a medical doctor before such drugs, or any possible alternatives, are prescribed. Some medications should only be prescribed with caution, e.g. it might be necessary to order liver function tests, both prior to, and during the actual course of treatment.
      Such caution is part and parcel of healthcare practice, and every treatment carries a degree of risk. So does doing nothing when treatment is required to cure a condition. In some conditions, a person’s immune system can sometimes spring into action and a disease can be cured spontaneously, as has been recorded in some cases of tinea capitas. However, other conditions, such as helminth infections or infestations are not going to go away without the appropriate drugs. The literature suggests that not only is this the case, but that previously affected individuals do not seem to build up immunity to future attacks, (in countries where helminth infestations are commonplace).
      There is no harm in doing the best you can meanwhile to deal with the lesions on the surface, or on your scalp. These must be kept as clean as possible, and secondary infection must be prevented.
      I hope that you do see a doctor soon, and that you receive whatever treatment is necessary in order to resolve your condition. This might be a lot more likely now that the research mentioned in the post above is getting underway. Thank goodness!

    • #36371
      C3
      Participant

      The fiber disease constitutes an infection with a modified micro organism Base architecture represents a cyanobacterium fused with a trypanosoma like element. This base architecture will differentiate in a set commensal resembling micro organisms.

      For preliminary and broad based scientific assessment you can read the article published in nature (model organism)

      More specific and focused study could be done with a research budget based on a research proposal (…)

      All You suffer from basically represents anti microbial resistance and the fact that infection with this type target may represent a multitude of ongoing research that yet has not been associated with the existence of this type stray target under the global population (…)

      Public health services stay ignorant about the fact that the 21th century represents the 21th century (…)

      A profitable point of departure?

      Mycoplasma could be another fine example in the history of medical practice.

      Certain type matter is comfortably reduced to a so called host pathogen interaction.

      That the future only may yield (long life) suppressive therapy would be a logic deduction.

      A cure is simply not profitable or difficult to provide.

      Infection with this element can be cured but as it seems;
      but only with a combination of (type last resort) therapeutical agents(…)

      This may turn out to be a difficult point when later assessment would be conclusive about the fact that a significant percentage of the population will prove positive for this slow incubating pathogen but that only a percentage is highly symptomatic.

      MRSA and the fact that some individuals are persistent carrier of this type micro organism is another fact (…)

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #36376
      C3
      Participant

      [PDF] THE ORIGIN AND EVOLUTION OF MODEL ORGANISMS
      File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
      cyanobacterium symbiont, forming the origin of plastids on the plant lineage and
      possibly on other … such as Plasmodium (malaria), Trypanosoma (try- …
      evo.bio.psu.edu/hedgeslab/ Publications/PDF-files/140.pdf – Similar pages

    • #36412
      Sabrina
      Participant

      UC Riverside Researchers Discover Model Organism For Studying Viruses that Affect Humans
      August 18, 2005

      Simple nematode has similar virus-fighting mechanism as humans and can be used in research

      RIVERSIDE, Calif. – http://www.ucr.edu – Researchers at the University of California, Riverside have discovered that a simple worm, called C. elegans, makes an excellent experimental host for studying some of the most virulent viruses that infect humans.

      The researchers published their findings in the Aug. 18 issue of the journal Nature in a paper titled, Animal virus replication and RNAi-mediated antiviral silencing in C. elegans.

      http://www.brightsurf.com/news/headline … leID=20643

      Tamtam,

      This is very new and cutting edge science. How do we explain the fact that some of us, including myself, have had this for decades?

      Peace,
      Sabrina

    • #36484
      befour
      Participant

      THANK YOU TamTam and Cilla for your replies and the information –

      TamTam – It doesn’t look very encouraging for me, does it? Would it make any sense for me to see an ID doctor if there is no effective treatment for this disease?

      Right now I am taking Bactrim & Doryx for infection, but I really never get any better, the antibiotics just keep me from getting worse. I also have been taking garlic tablets, vitamin c and green tea tablets. I don’t know if they help or not, but at this point, they can’t hurt. Of course, nothing has diminished the infestation on/in my head, it is a constant battle (to keep from loosing what’s left of my mind.)

      Guess I will just try to stay on some sort of antibiotics, as lomg as my dr. will prescribe them.

      TamTam, thank you so much for trying to help me/us, I sincerely appreciate all of your research efforts. Plrase keep the info coming!

      Best regards-
      befour

    • #36518
      C3
      Participant

      Operating systems are at least 10 year ahead.
      Non disclosed top science may have at least 25 years.
      If a calamity occurs or the target has been model for biological warfare you will never hear about it.

      Pest control is the equivalent of disease control in humans.
      If momentum of economy relates to population density than
      disease control must be part of military strategy.
      Economy is extention of warfare during peace, they say!
      If You can control disease, You can inflate or reduce growth models.

      Today the big public bonanza is bioinformatics and e.g bio systematic.
      A new type race towards supremacy.
      The second WW may turn out to have been an interlude.
      All was around and studied.
      Top scientist of Germany went to the U.S

      We exist out of cell and cell can be programmed: also in the long run(…)
      Apoptosis = programmed cell death!
      To control and regulate are the strongest parameters.

      A recent study relates cancer to infection with bacteria and geografical location. Time span 1954 up to now.
      What did 1954 provide in relation to the cancer gulf?

      If You think that what is made public represents cutting edge(…)
      1961 was public quorum sensing.
      If e.g 1980 yields a calamity than 1970 would yield a firm base.

      Concepts and calamities can be repeated and I think 2000 represents one.
      You do not suffer from the same strain I think but from a reinfection or relapse after a trigger.

      When did you recognize the fibers first?

      Dear Mrs Befour,

      The best therapy a regular G.P could prescribe is I suggest Itraconazole.

      I think if You would combine this with essential oil like mint oil,
      You could have succes.
      To alternate is the art, according an old tropical medic
      (in relation to trypanosoma)

      So alternate!

      e.g topical application of:
      coppersulfate/ mint oil/ t tree oil / pinus pinaster oil/ and e.g econazole nitrate or micanozole nitrate.

      True recommendation is mint oil because it seems to trigger cell lysis.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #36524
      C3
      Participant

      The fiber disease Video images December 2005 update by southcity:

      connect with:
      http://www.crossinglines.net

      Could somebody be so kind to send the link to the Latin communities?
      (Direction Mexico etc.)

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #36531
      southcity
      Participant
      quote C3:

      The fiber disease Video images December 2005 update by southcity:

      connect with:
      http://www.crossinglines.net

      Could somebody be so kind to send the link to the Latin communities?
      (Direction Mexico etc.)

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

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    • #36532
      southcity
      Participant

      This is HUge. Very very interesting the TIMING concerning the release of this story.. TamTam– this is EXACTLY what I meant be saying that the timing is Great presently with hopes of public release of this story… timing is everything and quite frankly I am shocked after reading this story and beginning to understand just how big this news is relating to what we suffer from.. Thanks to ORION.. Here’ s a snippit…

      "Honest doctors and scientists who tried to treat or research Lyme disease according to ethical principles have been viciously persecuted by government-backed organisations in the US, Europe and elsewhere. Many specialists in the US were threatened with loss of their license or had anonymous, false allegations sent to the medical board, which tied them up in mountains of paperwork and legal fees…some were forced out of medicine or even driven to suicide.

      Instead, medical disinfo agents, most of whom have a background in military/biowarfare units, such as Dr Allen Steere, Mark Klempner, Philip Baker, Edward McSweegan, David Dennis, Alan Barbour etc were enabled to assume top positions in Lyme research , CDC, NIH etc from where they issued false information , covering up the true seriousness and chronic nature of the disease, and comdemned untold numbers to a living hell."

      full story can be found here http://rense.com/general69/lyme.htm

    • #36533
      befour
      Participant

      Dear TamTam-
      Your reply to my last post was an answer to my prayers because I have begun to loose hope and am becoming increasingly depressed. Thank you so much!

      (I apologize in advance to the other forum members who believe that I should correspond via e-mail to TamTam. As I have stated before, I hope that in telling my symtoms, I might be able to help other suffers.)

      My disease began in the fall of 2000, with lesions on the left side of my face around my cheekbone, starting at my ear. At night while I was lying in bed, I could feel "things" crawling under the skin on my face. The lesions eventually spread the entire length of my cheekbone down beside my nose, to my lip.

      When I began to have lesions on the right side of my face as well, I began to realize that they all were connected somehow, like a spiderweb. That is when I really became aware of the strange fibers, I had been so preoccupied with the horrible, oozing sores on my face, that is all I could see.

      Every lesion had the fibers coming out of it and there was a trail of fibers from one lesion to another. I always knew when I was going to get a new one because I would feel an intense stinging sensation.

      After trying every remedy I could think of I found that if I could remove the fibers the lesion would stop growing. When I began removing the fibers is when I discovered the "black" things, the wads of fibers under the skin, the sticky fluid, strange red worm things and on and on.

      After several years of operating on myself, I thought I might have had it under control. But it had been silently moving into my scalp all along. I noticed that I seemed to be shedding on everything and my hair just didn’t feel or look the same. About a year ago I began to have the lesions on my head and the loss of most of my hair.

      I have stopped getting new lesions on my face, with one exception, on my forehead. This one causes me the most pain of all, because it is connected to my eyes and nose, and it will never heal.

      I tried to make this as short as possible and only focus on the progress of the disease. I hope that I have answered your questions and please know that I am eternally grateful to you for your help. I will be glad to answer any other questions that you may have.

      Kindest regards,

      befour

    • #36535
      befour
      Participant

      Dear TamTam-

      This article might be very interesting to you –

      befour

      Carl T. Hall, Chronicle Science Writer
      Thursday, June 21, 2001

      Even though biological weapons are banned, military planners are actively searching out new ways to bring biotechnology to the battlefield.

      A new scientific report, commissioned by the Army, was issued yesterday by a panel of experts. It highlights an extraordinary range of military "opportunities" in biotech, ideas that many experts said would be developed whether the Pentagon wants them or not.

      "It’s clear that biotech is going to change the way we fight wars, and it’s also clear we have to get there first before the others get there," said study co-author Mauro Ferrari, a professor of internal medicine and biomedical engineering at Ohio State University.

      The list of possibilities reads like an inventory of props for a spy thriller set sometime around 2025, which also happened to be the "planning horizon" for the National Research Council’s 16-member Board on Army Science and Technology, authors of the new report.

      Among the ideas:

      — Bioengineered tracking agents soldiers would swallow before going into the field, which could help the Army follow troop movements and maybe allow sensor-equipped snipers to distinguish friend from foe.

      — Nonilluminating paints to make military vehicles invisible to radar.

      — Wrist-top biosensors to guard against germ warfare, combined perhaps with vaccines that could be developed rapidly in the field and "functional food" rations laced with edible vaccines.

      — Armor as flexible as skin, tough as an abalone shell and enhanced with "living characteristics," such as the ability to heal itself when torn.

      Even more far-out possibilities fall under the general heading of biology- based "performance enhancement" for soldiers, including brain implants, real- time monitoring of gene expression and performance-enhancing drugs.

      Some items on the list raise ethical problems, which were not addressed in the report, titled "Opportunities in Biotechnology for Future Army Applications." Just what circumstances might warrant tracking a soldier’s DNA, for example, were not spelled out in any detail.

      Instead, authors of the new study identified five "high-priority" areas where the military was told it should focus research: "self-replicating systems for wound healing," small-scale vaccine production, rugged computer data-storage devices, "shock therapeutics" and genetically tuned vaccines.

      Robert Love, staff director for the panel, said the military had no choice but to explore all sorts of new ways to support troops in the field, citing such possibilities as bioengineered field rations designed for easy digestion.

      Biosensors ingested by soldiers, for example, represent "a very important idea" for tracking troops heading into harm’s way, he said. "The digital soldier already carries a lot of electronic equipment," he said. "This is a new dimension of intelligence on the battlefield."

      But the panel steered away from speculating as to which gadgets might actually work and which might be better left on the drawing board.

      The main point, said panel chairman Michael Ladisch, a professor and director of a biotech research lab at Purdue University, is that the military needs to take this stuff seriously — even if some of it does seem outlandish now.

      "There are lots of different ways this could develop, and a lot of it is going to develop anyhow," he said during a phone interview. "The Army really needs to keep on top of things."

      Right away, he said, that means bolstering the military’s ability to evaluate biotechnology. The idea is to equip the Pentagon with the expertise to determine which research projects are important to the country’s defenses, and of those, which can be left up to private industry and which need Pentagon grants or technical help to bring to fruition.

      Meetings to go over those details are planned with military brass later this year, Ladisch said, after the Army, which is the lead service branch for biological defense, has had a chance to digest the new report’s findings.

      E-mail Carl T. Hall at [email protected].

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      URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f … 158957.DTL

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    • #36588
      FiberSymptoms
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    • #36640
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Hi All. And can I just say that my heart goes out to all those suffering. I truly hope you find some peace soon.

      Ok, I’m based in the UK and have been trying to find the identity of the ‘bug’ that has been driving me crazy for around 4 years. I am not suggesting that the cause of my frustration is attributable to the findings being made in this thread and would wish that anyone who identifies with my experiences keep an open mind until they are closer to the truth. Hope that makes sense.

      So just to make myself clear again: I AM NOT attributing my experiences to Morgellon’s, Lyme’s disease or anything else right now since I do not have enough information as of yet.

      My reasons for posting: I’ve been searching for answers for a couple of years and was beginning to doubt I’d ever find any explanation that matched my experiences quite closely AND carried some scientific weight.
      There are some very gifted and tenacious people who have contributed to this thread. I hope I may contribute something useful at some stage, right now I was hoping for feedback from anyone that has an opinion.

      Ok, me: I’ve lived in the UK all my life and just holiday around Europe.
      I’ve never visited anywhere exotic as such. I wouldnt say I’m an outdoor kind of person.

      The sensations I would feel while in bed at night soon started while I was working at my pc or just watching tv.

      During the day the sensations can start at my ankles and seem to work their way up my body.

      Thanks to all who have contributed to this most interesting of threads.

      Regards
      Ukguy

    • #36651
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Befour,

      Do not apologise for your post being longer, and more detailed. People are naturally entitled to privacy where their medical data is concerned, but they also must voluntarily give a clear account of their presenting complaint, and of their past medical history, if they are to have any hope of receiving the best advice and guidance with respect to the type of medical specialist that they should consult, or (from scientific experts such as Tam tam), the specific medications that they should ask their doctor to consider prescribing.

      I felt very concerned for you when I saw the photograph of your lesion that you posted quite recently, because it looked very angry, inflamed and (by its colour), possibly infected.

      You do not have to answer the following questions, but they might help you to clarify the important issues within your own mind. I know how difficult this can be when you feel desperate and unwell, but you will get through this.

      What is your doctor’s diagnosis, and is this how the lesion looked before you commenced the prescribed systemic antibiotic therapy? Was a swab perhaps taken from it, to ascertain culture (of any microorganisms) and their sensitivity (to specific antibiotics)? Has your doctor prescribed any regimen of topical treatment? E.g., with what have you to clean it, are there any creams or lotions to be applied, and has any kind of dressing been recommended? Does the lesion look any better now that you are on the antibiotics? If it is still troubling you, perhaps you should go back to the doctor, and ask if he or she would prescribe additional treatment, such as the antifungal medication (or similar) and the cream mentioned by Tam tam.

      These measures will all help to address the bacteriological and the fungal possibilities, and it is crucial to keep any open wounds very clean, so that secondary infections do not arise.

      Not everyone who has open lesions per se has the fiber disease. Many possibilities exist, which is why a doctor should be consulted, and should be re-consulted if the wounds or lesions do not fully heal, even if they show some improvement. Many possibilities exist to explain why a wound or lesion does not heal, or why a person is suffering multiple instances of these breaking out. Sometimes, onward referral to a specialist is required.

      In the case of the fiber disease, it would seem that the current medical specialist (Dr Schwartz), believes, with good authority, that the problem is partially bacteriological, sometimes also fungal, but also helminthic and parasitical. Therefore, if it is the fiber disease that you have, (as opposed to a whole plethora of other conditions, which only a doctor could diagnose, after a full examination), how can this be cured unless the latter two elements of the diagnostic equation are taken into account and competently treated?

      I am sure that Dr Schwartz stated, in an earlier post, that this condition can be treated and cured with his regimen or protocol, which he clearly outlined. Patients can consult him, I believe, or they can ask their doctors to do so at their request. It is true that the latter professionals would only consider doing so when they have exhausted other possible diagnoses, which is quite reasonable, as the problem may be something else.

      But there must come a point where the reasonable thing to do is to seek Dr Schwartz’s help and advice, or to refer the patient to a parasitologist or helminthologist.

      This is particularly so if the patient’s clinical history and presenting clinical features would tie in with a possibly parasitical problem. Perhaps specific laboratory tests could be undertaken, e.g. to detect the presence of helminths, or of antibodies to helminthic infestation, (occasionally the latter can be detectable in the patient’s venous blood samples).

      I think I read that Dr Schwartz was recently at the stage of trying to get the helminths, which are apparently exiting from the affected patients to whom he has prescribed anthelmintics, precisely identified in a laboratory. I do not know if this great doctor has been given this actual information as yet. What I do know is, if anthelmintics result in the exodus of many worms, then they indeed must be a big part of the fiber disease problem.

      What I additionally know is, if people with the fiber disease also experience feelings of being bitten, stinging sensations, and of insects crawling on them, and if these pathological phenomena all cease when prescribed the medication within the Schwartz protocol that lethally targets the functioning at the neuro-muscular junctions of arthropods, then these, too must be a big part of the fiber disease problem.

      How much more evidence does a person need? I think that this disease should be re-named Schwartz Syndrome forthwith, and that scientific papers should be disseminated throughout the professional literature as a matter of urgency. Once registered health care professionals have a solid blueprint to work to, and to prescribe from, they will do so. Believe it or not, most of them are basically altruistic, and went into the profession with the most noble of goals, to help people, and to fight suffering and disease.

      New, or orphan, diseases spring up from time to time. I think that we have to be pragmatic here, and treat those suffering sooner rather than later. Their immediate environments should be attended to also.

      In one sense, where this all started is rather academic. It may have been carelessness in an experimental lab, it may not. It would not do any harm for the authorities to be much more proactive in tightening up safety and reporting protocols when dangerous microrganisms, or those that might become dangerous when cloned, are used. Such rigour should extend to the care and treatment of any mammals used, (in related pharmacological experiments, e.g.), and to the manner in which the animals’ waste products are handled and safely disposed of, (with no dangerous particles being allowed to become airborne, e.g.). There would perhaps be a need to educate all staff, including those that might empty the litter trays, in any new safety protocols that might be deemed prudent.

      However it all began, the important thing is to treat people and to get them well. I feel this particularly strongly because of what Dr Schwartz said in his post about loss of eyesight being a possibility, although this can be precluded with the precription of fluconazole. Where is the sense in anyone waiting any longer?

    • #36686
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Uk Guy,
      I am sorry that you have been left suffering, and unsure of what to do, especially after the doctors you consulted mentioned delusional parasitosis. As you have indicated a lack of travel to exotic parts in your post, you obviously understand why they would think of this, although they would have been interested in your earlier proximity to farmland and the animals therein.
      This is obviously because, hitherto, it was virtually impossible for UK residents, (unless they holidayed in far flung exotic locales), to have insects of the arthropod class not only living on, but breeding on them. There were the odd exceptions, e.g. cases of ophthalmic myiasis, or scalp myiasis to be found in some individuals who worked very closely with farm animals. The literature describes such rare cases as usually involving someone like a shepherd in a remote area with poor access to washing facilities, and thus with poor personal hygiene. Alternatively, patients who are lying moribund and helpless may pick up such infestation and infection because they are immunocompromised, if other factors within the environment are present. Another possibility is described in a similar condition that can afflict avid horse lovers, (the type of person who is working with horses, or who spends a very great deal of their time with them). These are all rare, and the signs and symptoms with which you presented would not quite fit the text book description. If you appeared clean, tidy, with ostensibly good health and fuctioning immune system, the doctor would find it difficult to make the pieces fit. Your descriptions of the white fibres having movement might make them think of a fungal involvement, but they might not be comfortable with the idea that the activities of the bugs intensified next to electricity (or artificial light). The jumping of the insects would perhaps be worrying for them to classify, especially if you could hear this with such acuity at night in the sheets, especially when you had already had a room treated after finding a bed bug on your chest. What would really be difficult for them is the description of something insect like moving and jumping inside your external auditory canal, (I don’t think you really mean the inner ear, as this has a distinct anatomical meaning), and the possible implications of the white skin ‘flakes’ would probably elude them. Although the phenomenon of the transfer of itching to others is documented in writings on the fiber disease, it’s not so common in the professional literature generally. This actually shows you how powerful a hold the published research based literature has on health care professionals. Even if they are themselves sitting there scratching in your presence they are more likely to believe the bona fide literature above all else, to the exclusion of all else, no matter the cost. This is why I truly believe that there will be a sea change if and only when someone with the vision and acumen of Dr Schwartz publishes scientific papers in the relevant clinical journals. Proof would be provided in his account of the abnormalities detected in the various laboratory specimens sent off from his patients, and (with the express consent of those involved), in photographs of lesions before and after his treatment.
      Then, everyone will be interested, as when Legionnaires Disease first hit the medical press, and when the association between Helicobacter pylori and gastric ulcers was proven.
      Meanwhile, what are you going to do, especially now that your wife feels that something is also biting her? Your wife may not have, and may never get, the full range of the clinical features that you are complaining of. There may need to be a genetic susceptibility before a person gets this, but getting the odd bite is not very nice, and even thinking about it can make you itchy. However, thought, by itself, cannot make the phenomena you have found and photographed appear. If these appear very similar to those photographs taken by other sufferers with the fiber disease, such as some of those who contribute to this site, then something would appear to be going on.
      Could I ask some questions, which you of course do not need to answer, either wholly or in part. You could answer whatever points you feel comfortable with by sending me a personal reply. Please do not include your real name, or information that might identify another, including the health care professionals you have consulted. I am not criticising anyone concerned for mentioning delusional parasitosis, because this new condition, (if this is what you have), has not effectively been brought to their attention yet.
      1. Where (approximately) in the UK do you live? By this I only mean, is it in a big city, or a semi-rural area?
      2. Which kinds of medical practitioners have you consulted (generally, no actual names of individuals or hospitals, please)? E.g., g.p., or specialists with an interest in infectious disease, or tropical disease.
      3. What did the bed bug you found look like? Did you feel better, at least for a while, once the bed room had been ‘treated’? How exactly was the room (and ? bed) treated?
      4. What treatment did you get for the ‘scabies’? Did this help a little, at least initially, or temporarily?
      5. What treatment, systemically or topically, have you been prescribed for your ear infections? Has anything helped, even if only a little?
      6. What do you think the nature of the jumping insects might be? Do you think they are a bit like fleas?
      7. What do you think the nature of the white fibres, which move, might be? If not by electrostatic movement, could they possess something akin to the nervous system of a parasite?
      8. Why, in your opinion, are you so itchy at night?
      9. Have you read other literature on the fiber disease that postulates that the primary form of this affliction is, at first sight, like a flake of dried skin?
      10. Have you considered consulting a doctor who practises Traditional Chinese Medicine? They might have remedies that would help with the nocturnal skin itching, which seems to be predominantly within areas covered in body hair. Some writers on this subject have advocated the topical application of vaseline, or even Vick, to the itching parts of the skin, as this cuts off some of the oxygen to the ‘borg’. Vick might work because it contains camphor, in addition to vaseline. Tiger balm would, by this rationale, work even better. The kind you get from T.C.M. centres is really good, and they have shampoos and soaps that are effective, with good fungicidal action also, all of which you can buy over the counter. Ask to see the doctor, though, because he or she might have more specific remedies to help you, especially with the shedding skin flakes. These centres are present in the big cities in the UK, hence my earlier question.
      I hope that this helps, and that you, and the others suffering, obtain the medical help that you so sorely need sooner rather than later.
      Sorry for my posts being so long, but the idea of innocent people, and particularly children, suffering like this for no good reason is really beginning to get under my skin (unfortunate choice of phrase!).
      One last question, UK Guy. Others have mentioned the overwhelming ‘brain fog’ that develops as, possibly, the worst part of this condition. You have not really mentioned this, although I appreciate that the infernal itching and sleep disturbance is bad enough.
      The ‘brain fog’ afflicts sufferers so badly mentally that it is almost impossible to function, although it lifts when all visible signs of the ‘borg’ have been removed, only to descend again when the rogue ‘hairs’ and ‘fibers’ grow in again, (which does not seem to take long). This seems to point to a physiological cause, maybe an immune or foreign body response to these elements of the parasite, or the ‘fog’ may also be the effects of larval or helminthic secretions. (If the latter is a main cause, does the brain fog lift markedly once a course of anthelmintic medication has been taken?).
      UK Guy, I would like to help you, and any other person suffering in any way that I can. I am not a scientist, though, so I would advise you all to read everything Cliff Mickelson has to say on this disease, and the writings posted by Tam tam and Dr Schwartz. I do not know if Dr Schwartz would communicate with a medical practitioner from the UK, though. Does anybody else?

    • #36705
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Hey Cilla

      Many thanks for taking the time to reply, it means alot to me.

      I’m reading through my notes of previous posts and of course your own
      and will respond with more information very soon. If you (or I) believe
      that any of the information is helpful to the thread then we can post here.

      Many thanks Cilla.

      Ukguy

    • #36706
      Chirality
      Participant

      German? You say? two greats come to mind.
      Hans U, and P. Ehrlich- but of course he is deceased.

      The Gene microarray is a problem in that it in itself can create more
      variant targets.

      I am aware of a rapidly changing society is amongst us due to the new scientific/medical advances that now exist. I am from the old school and do not think we needed any of this in the first place. I come from a long lineage of pure German blood. I am 76 years old . My eldest Grandaughter and two of her four children are suffering from this affliction. She still lives in Argentina with the two sick children. My beloved wife and I now have custodial care of her other two.

      I may be old compared to some of you people but I am still sharp as a tack. I will give some credit to the younger generation for one thing and one thing only. The computer. It is quite an amzing invention. My
      grandchildren had their way with me and I gave in and purchased one for them last Julio. Although, I mastered the internet over time, I still have diffulty typing. I am aware of these new emerging diseases and I do not like them. I’m going to find a way to end this.

      Thank you for allowing an old man like myself to participate in this conversation of utter science horror.

      I am still reading up on the governmental policies from various countries. Can anyone tell me how many continents this Lyme or this human Fiber affliction crosses?

      Chiral Hirsch III
      Belize

    • #36713
      amoebapower
      Participant

      isnt lime disease from ticks?

    • #36716
      Chirality
      Participant

      You mean Lyme Disease? Yes as well as other things. From what I’m reading, the American Government gave it to the ticks. I have citizenship ( dual), one being in America but I really hate admitting that sometimes.

      So, to the person above me asking about ticks and Lyme, do you have any symptoms yourself? My great grandchildren are showing numerous signs of this affliction as well as their Mother. She is 43 years of age.
      They are and were living in Agentina when this began for them back … quince de Mayo.
      Anos- 2004
      Where are you residing?

      Thank you kindly,

      Chiral

    • #36782
      C3
      Participant

      Chiral Hirsch III from Belize,

      Your reference is interesting as well as Your age.

      In relation to prototheca and quorum sensing
      (e.g 1960)

      What do You remember about this episode,

      If I make the statement that cyano represents the source code,
      how would You elaborate?

      The identification of this target has been done with German literature.
      But the target represents a fusion with what it seems a trypanosoma like element.

      Sincerely,

      tamtam

    • #36791
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Uk Guy,
      You are very welcome. It’s a horrible thing to suffer from, but, with all the help and interest now coming on board, I think that you are going to beat this disease.
      Hi Chiral,
      Thank you for your input, and I wholeheartedly agree with your view that we did not need this. I am so sorry to hear about your daughter and her children. I hope very much that you will be able to find a way to end all this suffering. I believe that one of the main writers on this, Cliff Mickelson, has said that he has reports of the fiber disease from virtually everywhere in the world, except the Antarctic.
      I know of a parasitologist who has published accounts of live insects being found breeding in adults’ scalps. These included tick nymphs and a caterpillar from the lepidoptera species. Different adult insects were found living on some of the afflicted patients’ lesions.

      How exactly did they get there?

      I am not a scientist, so would like to ask Tam tam about cloning C3 at the cellular level, and whether, from the cloned amalgamation of the bacteria with the lepidoptera, a fully formed caterpillar could emerge. How do the fully formed helminths get there? What about these tick nymphs? And the other adult arthropods and insects? Have all been there, in juvenile form, (eggs and larvae), from ‘conception’, or are some environmental adult insects subsequently attracted to the de novo lesions because of some pathological change that has occurred, making human skin and subcutaneous tissue suitable for their breeding? I know that fungal infections would seem to be part of this, and maybe it is the smell from the dermatophytes that is attracting the environmental insects. Maybe they then engage in breeding, thus making the conditions even more attractive for certain other types of insects. Some of these will bring certain micro-organisms with them, e.g. flies could bring bacterial infection. Maybe this is why some people with the fiber disease also test positive for having been exposed to Lyme disease, (i.e. if they have had, as the parasitologist mentioned above discovered in the case he wrote about, ticks breeding on them, or living on them for a short time). If Dr Schwartz states that the helminths living under the skin are tapeworms, (I’m not certain that this is his professional and final conclusion yet), how did they get there? Is it all to do with what has been cloned, (in your opinion, please, Tam tam), or is it more to do with subsequent infestation and infection? Or, is it a mixture of both?

    • #36834
      Chirality
      Participant

      I think you might be referring to Ritter and his friends-

      If so, I was so young then, I just remember hearing my Papa speak of it and always in a cursory fashion.

      Chiral

    • #36841
      Chirality
      Participant

      I also meant to ask that fellow, Tam Tam, if he could have also been asking me if I was referring to or knew about Bolstein or Stoudt.

      Thank you kindly,

      Chiral

    • #36850
      London
      Participant

      I’ve been studying the Niipah Virus. It is quite interesting.

      The University of Arizona have came up with A tobacco plant that
      protects one ( a vaccine) from catching the "PLAGUE."- wonder
      what plague they might be referring to?

      http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medical … d=rssfeeds

      London

    • #36853
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Cilla: ..thanks Cilla for making those points and for articulating thoughts I’m finding difficult myself due to the complexities of the subject matter!
      I’d be very interested in hearing a response on these points.

      TamTam: Would you be so kind as to explain the mechanisms here – is it possible that the processes
      you have described could attract other insects? Many people have stated that there seems to be an increase in ‘activity’
      when in the vicinity of other people. Conversely, could arthropods / insects be attracted to these organisms in some way?

      Finally: Could someone direct me to the body of work shown so far by Dr Schwartz or is it only available by purchasing
      from his website at http://www.healingresearch.org/ ?

      Thanks
      UKGUY

    • #36860
      Chirality
      Participant

      Learn from Ortsfrequenzdiskrimination

      Chiral

    • #36861
      London
      Participant

      Mr. Hirsch,

      I did. Perceptual learning. Also note:

      Mammalian cell invasion by the protozoan pathogen Trypanosoma cruzi is critical to its survival in the host. To promote its entry into a wide variety of non-professional phagocytic cells, infective trypomastigotes exploit an arsenal of heterogenous surface glycoproteins, secreted proteases and signalling agonists to actively manipulate multiple host cell signalling pathways.

      Also:

      Connective tissue growth factor (CTGF) is a cysteine-rich peptide synthesized and secreted by fibroblastic cells after activation with transforming growth factor beta (TGF-ß) that acts as a downstream mediator of TGF-ß-induced fibroblast proliferation. We performed in vitro and in vivo studies to determine whether CTGF is also essential for TGF-ß-induced fibroblast collagen synthesis. In vitro studies with normal rat kidney (NRK) fibroblasts demonstrated CTGF potently induces collagen synthesis and transfection with an antisense CTGF gene blocked TGF-ß stimulated collagen synthesis. Moreover, TGF-ß-induced collagen synthesis in both NRK and human foreskin fibroblasts was effectively blocked with specific anti-CTGF antibodies and by suppressing TGF-ß-induced CTGF gene expression by elevating intracellular cAMP levels with either membrane-permeable 8-Br-cAMP or an adenylyl cyclase activator, cholera toxin (CTX). cAMP also inhibited collagen synthesis induced by CTGF itself, in contrast to its previously reported lack of effect on CTGF-induced DNA synthesis. In animal assays, CTX injected intradermally in transgenic mice suppressed TGF-ß activation of a human CTGF promoter/lacZ reporter transgene. Both 8-Br-cAMP and CTX blocked TGF-ß-induced collagen deposition in a wound chamber model of fibrosis in rats. CTX also reduced dermal granulation tissue fibroblast population increases induced by TGF-ß in neonatal mice, but not increases induced by CTGF or TGF-ß combined with CTGF. Our data indicate that CTGF mediates TGF-ß-induced fibroblast collagen synthesis and that in vivo blockade of CTGF synthesis or action reduces TGF-ß-induced granulation tissue formation by inhibiting both collagen synthesis and fibroblast accumulation.—Duncan, M. R., Frazier, K. S. Abramson, S., Williams, S., Klapper, H., Huang, X., Grotendorst, G. R. Connective tissue growth factor mediates transforming growth factor ß-induced collagen synthesis: down-regulation by cAMP.

      London

    • #36869
      Chirality
      Participant

      Hello,

      London,

      Will you PM me on information on Krause and the other gentleman
      you spoke of-I can not think of his name at the moment. I would certainly appreciate it.

      Thank you kindly,

      Chiral

    • #36873
      C3
      Participant

      informative:

      quorum sensing/ insects

      PDF] Quorum sensing during nest-site selection by honeybee swarms
      File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
      Nest-site selection · Quorum sensing · Swarming. Introduction. In the swarm-founding
      species of social insects—those in. which colonies are initiated by …
      bees.ucr.edu/reprints/bes56.pdf – Similar pages

    • #36874
      London
      Participant

      Mr. Hirsch, Oh, hello. I did not PM you due to the fact that I can’t remember the name thus far. I do know that it began wth the letter H, and is of course, German.

      FUSARIUM OXYSPORUM

      Agent Green-anthrax , Dried Anthrax spores on paper can survive for 41 years. Rule of Five, the protein-kinase, barley, gene translocation,
      Kaldor, Genesis, liver-specific , Kretz-Remy

      many many more…

      The US Government is getting away with it by manipulating the "wording"
      Word in reference: Weeds….
      The Coco plant, the poppy ( Tam’s reference to ornamental plants)
      …we are killing innocent people in Columbia!!! All other countries would not sign it. Why?
      Clinton sure did not sign it! But oh yes, the Bush team is sneaky.
      It’s about Drug Eradification. We are spraying them with aerosols, Nerve agents, Fusarium Oxysporum.

      To be continued…………….

      London

    • #36875
      C3
      Participant

      The Sum of the Parts: Science News Online, Dec. 10, 2005… genes from a killer bacterium or virus into a deadly new design. … Modeling a synthetic multicellular clock: Repressilators coupled by quorum sensing. …
      http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051210/bob9.asp – 49k – 9 Jan 2006 – Cached – Similar pages

    • #36877
      London
      Participant

      Already had it saved.

      They are putting it into our drugs!!

      Protein Kinase…….Cancer is something that has many targets….

      So, we have seen that invaluable techniques such as genetic engineering, hybridoma technology, and modern forms of monoclonal antibody manufacture allow for the efficient production of naturally occurring immune proteins in a pure enough form for therapeutic applications. These technologies and their products are expected to continue to play pivotal roles in cancer immunotherapy.

      London

      So, what do we do, what can we do? It’s all about the Money.
      They used the rice plant. More vocabulary……Farben, Bayer…..

      I ask of you- Is there any instructions you may have? PLEASE PM ME IF YOU CARE TO DO SO.

      London

    • #36879
      London
      Participant

      TamTam,

      In reference to your post on insects: Honeybees/ants.

      I sincerely am asking you what to do next. Should I continue to post more or would you prefer me to wait?

      Power between the worl’d two most improtant mammals for
      Drug Discovery…………………………..Man and Mouse.

      London

      So, Anthrax and some GM products too.

      More Vocabulary: Population Management, Cb, German businessmen

      38 tons was it or 15,000 gallons? I can’t remember exactly but I will look it up to be correct.

      The reports say Fusarium does not hurt and is indigenous to Columbia but that’s NOT TRUE. See:

      THE PRINCIPAL CRITICISMS IN THIS AND OTHER REPORTING ON FUSARIUM ARE THE FOLLOWING:

      CONTRARY TO USG ASSERTIONS THAT FUSARIUM IS "NATURAL" AND INDIGENOUS TO COLOMBIA, IN FACT IT WAS "DISCOVERED BY CHANCE," HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED IN THIS ENVIRONMENT, AND MUTATES EASILY; IT WILL HENCE DESTROY THE ENVIRONMENT. SOMETIMES STATED IN VENEZUELAN REPORTING IS THE IDEA THAT THE FUNGUS WILL, QUICKLY FIND ITS WAY ACROSS THE BORDER AND ATTACK VENEZUELA AS WELL.

      ………………it mutates too.

    • #36890
      Chirality
      Participant

      Call me Chiral by all means.

      So, you say two things that are of extreme interest to me.
      One being where this F. oxy might pass right thru to neighboring countries.
      Two, you say they put it in the drugs? Which drugs?

      Can you pleae post more information on this? Can you Tam Tam?

      Can anyone help me to find this information?

      Chiral

    • #36896
      London
      Participant

      PEMPHIGUS VULGARIS- the chameleon TamTam was referring to??

      London

      Oh, I’m sorry chiral. What drugs? Many I believe. But this is what I’m thinking will happen. I can just see it now- they, the Gov’t Control, will say….." It was a bad or an allergic reaction to the drug. " I sincerely think that’s what will happen.

      Also, maybe we all took the same bad batch of something to give us Morgellons. Chiral, I do believe Prednisone is one of them…..

      Also, here is something that I have beenholding back on for a very longtime:METHOD OF DESIGNING DRUGS THROUGH REVERSE POLYMORPHISM OF TARGET GENES BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION !

    • #36901
      London
      Participant

      Enterococci are the focus of increasing academic and clinical research, because of their importance as agents in nosocomial infections which are frequently refractory to many commonly used antimicrobial agents (1-3). To facilitate studies on the pathogenic and drug resistance mechanisms associated with enterococcal infection, techniques for the efficient introduction of exogenous DNA have been developed.

      Sincerely,

      London

    • #36902
      Anonymous
      Participant
      quote C3:

      informative:

      quorum sensing/ insects

      PDF] Quorum sensing during nest-site selection by honeybee swarms
      File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat – View as HTML
      Nest-site selection · Quorum sensing · Swarming. Introduction. In the swarm-founding
      species of social insects—those in. which colonies are initiated by …
      bees.ucr.edu/reprints/bes56.pdf – Similar pages

      TamTam: Is this is in reply to questions raised by Cilla / myself..?

      If so then thank you. However the method used here is quite different yes?

      Thanks
      Ukguy

    • #36904
      London
      Participant

      UkGUY and all,

      Just now saw your message-sorry. First symptoms( the big, vivid ones) were basically just like a scene from a Stephen King movie or something from the X files…..Weirdo stuff appearing in my home. I.E., on a large mirror in my bath area, 13-15 protozoa looking objects appeared and just stayed there. I’d say it covered about 6 feet of space.Each was anywhere from 1/2 " to 4" in length. Then stinging sensations. I saw a couple of clear fibers piercing thru the air headed straight for me. When it touched my skin there was a prick-like shot feeling and then I was able to watch this invisible thing grab more skin and gather it up. Just like one would sew something. Then the 2" long thing would stretch itself out under my skin and the skin that was underneath this "thing" would elevate about 1/4" up- it was ike it was sitting on top of some pedestal. Various other shapes and forms taking place in my home that weekend. hope this helps…and you?

      I meant to post this earlier….
      BATRACHOCHYTRIUM dendrobatidis. It is a non-hyphal parasitic chytrid fungus that causes chytryiomycosis ( a disease of the skin) in amphibians and grows soley with KERATINISED CELLS. oNE THING THAT i BELIEVE IS PART OF OUR mORG’S dISEASE IS THE XENOPUS(sp?) which is the Frog.

      London

    • #36910
      Anonymous
      Participant

      Hi London and thanks for the reply…

      I’m still not sure what the hell I have…..but the symptoms I’ve
      experienced so far seem mostly dissimilar to yours..

      Mine started with the crawling sensations in bed at night but I could
      actually hear things moving on the sheets and on and around me.
      This kind of progressed until I was itching during the day..somedays
      just a few occurrences, some days very intense – these are the days
      that I see people around me affected moreso as well. I began to
      notice that people in my company (clients, friends, relatives) would
      be itching also and this has led to many awkward moments – I’ve
      witnessed this too many times for it to be coincidence…

      The symptoms for me where somewhat like scabies (from what I’ve
      read) but I’ve never had any red bemps or bites appear. Occasionally
      I can see a feint red rash on my skin, that’s all. And of course scabies
      doesn’t spread so quickly…..I’ve met someone for the first time and
      witnessed them scratch for the whole of the meeting and this has started
      in the first couple of minutes. So I was now affecting people around me
      somehow….

      I found this thread recently it kind of struck a chord with me
      like nothing I’d read before….like I say…I still don’t know
      what is going on in my case but I’m determined to find out.

      Thanks London and best of luck!

      UKGuy..

    • #36917
      wheresthebeef
      Participant
      quote Chirality:

      Call me Chiral by all means.

      So, you say two things that are of extreme interest to me.
      One being where this F. oxy might pass right thru to neighboring countries.
      Two, you say they put it in the drugs? Which drugs?

      Can you pleae post more information on this? Can you Tam Tam?

      Can anyone help me to find this information?

      Chiral

      As far as the drugs I would bet on any of the amphetamines and quite a few if not all antidepressants. Just a hunch.

    • #36964
      Barz
      Participant

      Tam Tam, If fibers are "dormant" and need living host, why do fibers grow on objects that are not living? ie, furniture, bedding etc?

    • #36967
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Barz,

      Maybe they are nanoprobes. 21st Century.

      http://www.nanoprobes.com/InSitu.html

      first there is glitter, the gold, then there are black carbon bucky balls, then there are probing nanowires weaving it’s way through our bodies, electron microscoping every cell and DNA transfering any disease, any gene. For identification?
      for inseminating antigen? Could go either way. The ultimate identification.

      Maybe far off, but, I do believe there is something nonorganic that starts the ball rolling incorporating bacteria, worms, insects. Beyond swarming Tam Tam?

      Skytroll

    • #36968
      C3
      Participant

      informative:
      Cyano/ fungus

      Amphibian Fungal Diseases in Far North Queensland – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
      Over the past few years, there has been a lot of publicity in the media about
      frog declines and, in particular, the role that disease has had in causing …
      http://www.fdrproject.org/pages/disease.htm – 29k – Im Cache – Ähnliche Seiten

    • #36969
      C3
      Participant

      Fibers?

      Please read the article about cellulose the most abundant macro molecule etc.

      Over reaction could relate to the science of Pavlov.

    • #36970
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi all,

      This forum’s posts are written at a very high level, which is of course because you are so intelligent and educated in this very complex area of experimental microbiology, and how certain theories might relate to Morgellon’s or the fiber disease.

      I wish that I’d paid greater attention to scientific studies at school, because knowledge and understanding are power, and this particular specialist knowledge is what is required if this new disease (if this is what it is) is to be beaten.

      London, your posts are excellent, and I have learned a lot from reading them, but the actual mechanics of cloning in this area eludes me. Could I run a hypothetical scenario past you of what I think happens, and would you be good enough to tell me where I have misunderstood, or what I might have left out?

      Hypothetical Scenario.

      A few scientists engage in the experiment of trying to fuse together cells from cyanobacteria and a major parasitic protozoa. Does a protozoa only have one cell? If so, does this mean that some of its DNA is removed, and some of the cyano DNA is joined to it? Is this what fusion means? Tam tam mentioned something about combination with variant glycoprotein – what does variant mean in this context?

      Is all of this done in a petri dish, or a test tube? If this fusion is successful, is this when they are concerned with lysis, (which I thought ? meant cell wall death), but I think Tam tam said it had something to do with the free flow of DNA and is related to fission and multi lineage differentiation (whatever these may be).

      Then, (I think), something else is added to the new creation, and this has some relation to a gene that codes for mold in, e.g. a nematode. Is this gene introduced to the clone by a virus? Or is a nematode cell part of the clone? Is three usually the maximum number of organisms that can be cloned together? Tam tam said something about coccoid, which I think may relate to the shape of the bacteria, but could mean something else entirely.

      How is the lepidoptera added? Is a cell taken from a caterpillar, or is a butterfly egg cloned with the cyano? Is the reason for possibly using multi-nucleated cells of the Langerhans type so that more things than two or three can be cloned in one experiment?

      I think that you said something about a nematode being identified as elegans. Did this possibly grow from a cloned experiment? Does this mean that a fully fledged nematode can grow in the body, even though it was introduced at a much earlier stage, e.g. an egg that was cloned with the cyano and protozoa?

      If this growth to a full sized creature, (and I am thinking principally of the lepidoptera caterpillar here) is possible, subsequent to someone being infected with cloned bacteria, it is of immense clinical importance that this is stated. Alternatively, (and I know that the colours, the sensing antennae, have been remarked upon), is it possible that the hairs of the adult lepidoptera butterfly or moth can be present? Of course, I understand that no-one may know the answer to this, or it may be that my questions in the last two paragraphs are silly, and that this could not happen in this way. If either of the preceding is your thoughts, please say so. You won’t hurt my feelings or anything, because this level of science is not part of my life.

    • #36972
      C3
      Participant

      random recombination

      source code cyano
      to step up to gametes = trypanosoma

      a phylogenetic line seems to run trough the concept.

    • #36979
      C3
      Participant

      lepidoptera, butterfly

      keywords: lepidoptera, butterfly, wing pattern, DNA

      Butterfly Wings Key To Morphological Evolution – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
      The next step in understanding the genetics of butterfly wing patterns, they note,
      … in DNA sequences that correlates with variability in color pattern. …
      http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/ 20020211025738data_trunc_sys.shtml – 25k – 10. Jan. 2006 – Im Cache – Ähnliche Seiten

    • #36980
      C3
      Participant

      and another:

      BBC NEWS | Science/Nature | Scientists make a butterfly glow – [ Diese Seite übersetzen ]
      The genetically modified African butterfly glows luminous green in the dark and
      is part of a project to understand how wing patterns emerge. …
      news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3499484.stm – 33k – Im Cache – Ähnliche Seiten

    • #36981
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Tam

      Doesn’t there have to be something inorganic to make this work?

      skytroll

    • #36982
      Skytroll
      Participant

      Gore knows about the frogs. If you put a frog in hot water, he will jump out right away. If you put him in cold water and slowly heat it up, the frog will never know. His analogy for what? Who is behind this? Our environment man.

      People wake up………….UN said 50 years was enough. That is one side of coin. The other is to produce the catalyst to make that happen.

      Skytroll

    • #36983
      Skytroll
      Participant

      We haven’t found a cure yet, have we Dr. Stein?

      This topic should be all over the news. And soon it will be come h…..or high water.

      21st Century………….

      skytroll

    • #36988
      Cilla
      Participant

      Hi Barz,

      If the fibers are made up of hyphae (even partially) these can survive for many years, on paper for example. They adapt by ingesting whatever is to hand, which they can expel later. This is why, if a dermatophyte infection is an integral part of the fiber disease, maybe because of the inclusion of a giant mold cell in the cloning experiment, or maybe because it is a secondary infection opportunistically superimposed on the original infected scalp lesions, this quality (and others possessed by dermatophytes) should be taken very much into account.

      Is there not more than one type of ‘fiber’ in this disease? Some are apparently needle sharp, and move purposefully, like the ones that attacked London from her mirror. It was then as if she felt them almost sewing in a pre-determined line along her subcutaneous tissue, and she was aware of this tissue being elevated while this was going on. From what I’ve read, this is exactly what must happen as part of the overall apparently well organised preliminary (or thereabouts) strike of this organism of many parts.

      I’ve heard of people managing to remove (by gentle but firm ‘antiseptic’* combing), the different fibers (later in the disease process), and of the tissue sometimes being elevated at that time, but then suddenly releasing what seemed to be a foul-smelling gas from the scalp. Great relief was experienced by them once the rogue fibers, (some of which are indeed inert, ? old ones that have served their purpose, now being utilised by the ‘management’ skills of this organism as space occupying lesions), and the ‘gas’ had been removed or had escaped.
      *If the hair is tangled, it has to be combed. Use only individual, frequently replaced, and very clean combs, and wipe teeth thoroughly with an antiseptic wipe after each sweep through the hair. Ensure that all detritus and debris from the scalp lands in a lined bin strategically placed below you. When finished, double bag, and put out in the rubbish. Any stray fibers or hair must be caught up by sellotape, or a lint roller, immediately, including those that may land on clothing, furnishing, or bedding.

      Some whitish fibers/(? worms) undulate like cobras, e.g. on a comb, and move towards a finger held before them. They seem to have some kind of insect-like nervous system, because certain systemic drugs appear to kill them, a process that has apparently been observed by them being darker in hue and ‘collapsing’ or else ‘fitting’ before dying on the comb. Some individuals, after removing the ‘writhers’, have carefully and gently flicked a cigarette lighter to the heads of the live ones on a comb, and the undulation is no more. Obviously, this technique is not advised when alcohol, or flammable insecticides, have previously been applied to the area.

      Some of the fibers do not seem chitin like, but are apparently made up of cellulose. As Tam tam said, this is one step removed from chitin, so these would be more inert, (as I think he means they have not progressed towards their intended goal). You must still remove them, though, because the body apparently has difficulty in expelling cellulose from lesions, not having expected to grow such in the first place.

      Do not allow these invaders to have their own way in their management system and communication between parts. The fluke shaped nematodes (like calloused skin) apparently grow in a layered fashion, (not unlike corn formation by the sounds of it), and, (according to Cliff Mickelson and the scientist who has written very clear accounts of all of this to him), the soft white worms, or slugs without shells, are to be found beneath. They do write something of sticky film or mucus being released by this parasite, which may well have a lot in common with Tam tam’s account of the quorum sensing bacteria’s film.

      Some writers have commented on the similarity between this condition and one not usually seen in Western countries. I do not know about that, but you all know what I am going to say now. Contact Dr Schwartz, and, if prescribed for you, take his protocol.

      I hope that none of you high flying scientists are offended by what you may think of as common sense approaches to hygiene in the face of infection. It has been my experience that medical doctors (in their private lives, I don’t mean before attending to sick people) are not always as assiduous as they might be in what could be called infection control in the home, and then they wonder why they get ill! That’s okay when it’s just a minor ‘bug’, but even they will take all of this very very seriously, once the facts are made public.

    • #36993
      Skytroll
      Participant

      thanks Cilla, and C3. am I helping or am I a hindrance? Please inform.

      skytroll

    • #36994